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Brix
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 23 Apr 2009 : 20:25:47
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Hello fellow Realmsfans. I hope this is good news for you:
http://3point75.blogspot.com/
I also really hope that the banners of candlekeep flutter strongly in the wind again soon.
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
1098 Posts |
Posted - 23 Apr 2009 : 20:30:14
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Tyr
Learned Scribe
225 Posts |
Posted - 23 Apr 2009 : 20:42:12
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From what he said i'm reading it as more that 3.5 and previous realms books will be available electronically from wizards only. Not that they'll produce more lore, although i'd hate to see it happen if they decide to rewrite FR history to fit 4e fluff.
Also Wizards would never say over the phone 'oh well its not selling well', no company would. |
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Penknight
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 23 Apr 2009 : 21:08:04
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Originally posted by Tyr
From what he said i'm reading it as more that 3.5 and previous realms books will be available electronically from wizards only. Not that they'll produce more lore, although i'd hate to see it happen if they decide to rewrite FR history to fit 4e fluff.
Also Wizards would never say over the phone 'oh well its not selling well', no company would.
I agree. I'm constantly asked by my players if I've heard whether 4E is doing well, or if it's tanking. Does anyone know the honest truth about this? |
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Brix
Learned Scribe
147 Posts |
Posted - 23 Apr 2009 : 21:19:47
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Since I'm not a native speaker I send him a letter with my main points and suggestions, so that there won't be any confusions through language. Since I'm a 20 years Realms fan it was always my major concern to see the pre-4E stuff, as I don't use the new Realms, like many of you I guess.
So I pointed out that Wizard already paid for this content, but won't make any revenues with it. For example Josh Sawyers Phlan web enhancement for MotM, or the tons of Ed material.
Obviously this idea was appreciated and Greg referred to this particular point, while basically declined other ideas.
They think about releasing this stuff in electronic pirate-proof format.
I hope that it really will happen, and I'd love to see real Realms people like Brian care for that project.
So please support this idea by speaking favorable of it. And help to remind Wizards of this plan, should they not act very quickly ;o)
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Brix
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 23 Apr 2009 : 21:25:39
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[/quote]I agree. I'm constantly asked by my players if I've heard whether 4E is doing well, or if it's tanking. Does anyone know the honest truth about this?
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Of course they wouldn't say this openly. But my impression from the phone call is that 4E runs 'well enough' for Wizards so that they can effort to loose a fraction of x percent to Paizo or other companies. Remember that D&D is not the only brand WotC owns. However Greg also said that it's critical for the success of Wizards. So who knows. I'd be happy enough to lay hands on new pre-4E-FR material, and play it with Pathfinder. |
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Marc
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 23 Apr 2009 : 21:29:09
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that would renew my faith in wotc a little, hope this develops quickly
thank you for the letter |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 23 Apr 2009 : 21:30:07
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| I agree that it sounds like they are looking for methods to distribute the pre-4E media and not produce any new lore. |
I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.
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Brix
Learned Scribe
147 Posts |
Posted - 23 Apr 2009 : 21:44:26
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quote:
Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
I agree that it sounds like they are looking for methods to distribute the pre-4E media and not produce any new lore.
No. New FR lore not released before. Pre-Spellplague material so to say. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 23 Apr 2009 : 22:16:04
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And if they were smart, every time you bought an old-edition pdf, they should include the "$2 option" of 4e stats for everything in that source.
Thats what I would do, making even more money and making all of the old material usable with the new rules. |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3287 Posts |
Posted - 23 Apr 2009 : 23:20:09
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Very interseting. Thanks Brix! 
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Hawkins
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Apr 2009 : 23:20:44
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| The new "form of electronic media" that WotC plans to publish old Realms books via worries me. Mainly because that means it will probably be developed by them. |
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Brix
Learned Scribe
147 Posts |
Posted - 23 Apr 2009 : 23:30:21
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Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
The new "form of electronic media" that WotC plans to publish old Realms books via worries me. Mainly because that means it will probably be developed by them.
To be frank it worries me, too. Since any proprietary system usually has its problems. And pdfs are standard and easy to use. We'll see.
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3287 Posts |
Posted - 23 Apr 2009 : 23:37:55
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Watch it come with a mandatory DDI Subscription to use it. 
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"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 24 Apr 2009 : 00:31:18
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WotC is certainly not known for their 'computer-savy'.
Gleemax... <shudder> |
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Uzzy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
618 Posts |
Posted - 24 Apr 2009 : 00:43:35
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| This is down right amazing. WoTC doing a good thing, woohoo! |
Edited by - Uzzy on 24 Apr 2009 00:44:00 |
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Nerfed2Hell
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 24 Apr 2009 : 00:48:24
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* Wizards can't make anybody happy.
Yeah, its really easy to make this kind of statement when they not only don't try but actively p*ss off a portion of their fanbase... you know, with that whole developing 4e while they were telling fans that they weren't and all that.
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* Wizards tries to evolve the game every ten years or so. Greg compared it to bands that change their style over the years, and thus loose old fans and get some new fans. But in the end Wizards hope to get everyone back.
Of course, when Wizards evolved the game with 3rd edition, the game was still recognizable enough that players could upgrade their 2e characters (and thus, since you could easily enough upgrade 1e to 2e, also upgrade from 1e to 3e) and they even provided a conversion manual. Yet, the evolution from 3.x to 4e was different enough that many people feel that its almost unrecognizable and conversions are not so easy this time around (or even possible in some cases since they deemed some races and classes to be not worthwhile enough to include in their initial 4e offering).
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Wizards will not resume pdf sales in the same way they did before. Obviously Wizards believes that there are possibilities to sale electronic content that is mostly pirate-proof.
Which means that I would need an additional reader installed to use any newly acquired "old" products... thanks, but with all of the third party (not to mention old TSR products acquired freely and legitimately from WotC themselves) pdfs I've purchased and incorporated into my regular gaming, that has become the standard which I (and many other people) have become accustomed to. I certainly didn't need Wizards to redefine D&D as a whole, but they did so... and now they want to redefine usage of their old content. Meh.
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* Wizards will not support 3E parallel to 4E.
Of course not... 4e can't compete with its predecessor(s) no matter what they say about its sales.
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As a Forgotten Realms fan I'm of course very happy, that they seriously consider to publish old Realms material. Count me in for that one. If you are a FR fan, too please make sure to remind them to do it.
Unless they actually put out new "old lore" (such as stuff that was previously written and left unpublished for whatever reasons, or even new stuff), then I have no real interest in their new non-pdf format since I already own everything in print and I can make my own pdfs if I feel the need to back up anything in electronic format.
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Originally posted by Brimstone
Watch it come with a mandatory DDI Subscription to use it.
THAT would not surprise me in the least.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 24 Apr 2009 : 01:21:37
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Originally posted by Brimstone
Watch it come with a mandatory DDI Subscription to use it.
BRIMSTONE
This is what I expect.
Further, if they're going to re-release all that stuff in a non-pdf format, then that means hundreds of files have to be converted to whatever they use... And since some of those pdfs were of low quality to begin with, they'll either not be able to flip those, or they'll have to do them from scratch. Considering their track record on giving us web content, I think this project will take years, if it ever gets done at all. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 24 Apr 2009 : 01:33:22
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Originally posted by Tyr
From what he said i'm reading it as more that 3.5 and previous realms books will be available electronically from wizards only.
That's how I interpreted the statement myself.
As for what was on the blog:
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* Wizards tries to evolve the game every ten years or so. Greg compared it to bands that change their style over the years, and thus loose old fans and get some new fans. But in the end Wizards hope to get everyone back.
If they really said that, that's...kind of unrealistic. |
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Icelander
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 24 Apr 2009 : 01:41:02
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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* Wizards tries to evolve the game every ten years or so. Greg compared it to bands that change their style over the years, and thus loose old fans and get some new fans. But in the end Wizards hope to get everyone back.
If they really said that, that's...kind of unrealistic.
Well, I myself hope that my numerous contributions to universal joy and harmony will one day be recognised by the various governments of the world competing to offer me princely salaries should I be willing to consider continuing existence and consequent awesomeness.
Of course, I realise that my hope is likely to be in vain. That doesn't make it wrong for me to hope, though. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 24 Apr 2009 : 01:50:59
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Originally posted by Icelander
Of course, I realise that my hope is likely to be in vain. That doesn't make it wrong for me to hope, though.
Well, no, I agree that it's hardly a crime. It's just...kind of silly. |
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Icelander
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 24 Apr 2009 : 01:57:45
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Icelander
Of course, I realise that my hope is likely to be in vain. That doesn't make it wrong for me to hope, though.
Well, no, I agree that it's hardly a crime. It's just...kind of silly.
Silly?
I'll have you know, young lady, that the lack of recognition I get for my innumerable contributions to the advancement of the human condition is positively criminal. To hope for some petty material rewards is not silly, it is admirably modest of me. By all rights I should be offered status as unquestioned tyrant, not merely a living wage.
But I am, first and foremost, a humble creature, forever content to let my considerable achievements be forgotten by those whom I selflessly serve. Indeed, my humility oftentimes amazes myself, as any other man of my gifts and accomplishments would undoubtedly run towards conceit and perhaps even arrogance.
Not I. My hope, such as it is, is the very soul of discretion and thrift. Silly? Perish the thought!
Unless you were referring to the hope of WotC to eventually gather all D&D and Realms fans under their protective wing once more? In that case, silly is word too prosaic, too commonplace, to describe the heights of unrealistic fantasy in which they indulge. |
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althen artren
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 24 Apr 2009 : 02:20:19
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As a man equal to your gifts and accomplishments, I can tell you that yes indeed, I am
both arrogant and conceited.
Yes, you are still silly.:)
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 24 Apr 2009 : 03:21:01
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quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Tyr
From what he said i'm reading it as more that 3.5 and previous realms books will be available electronically from wizards only.
That's how I interpreted the statement myself.
As for what was on the blog:
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* Wizards tries to evolve the game every ten years or so. Greg compared it to bands that change their style over the years, and thus loose old fans and get some new fans. But in the end Wizards hope to get everyone back.
If they really said that, that's...kind of unrealistic.
I, for one, will not go back to Wizards until they publish a version of the Realms that isn't blown up in a burst of illogic. Rolling back to where we were in 1375 would be fine, but rolling back to when 3E came out would be even better (assuming that they took a different course, this time). |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3287 Posts |
Posted - 24 Apr 2009 : 04:16:16
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Notice point #2
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Wizards is happy with the 4E sales. Wizards is even fine with the fact that a fraction of the gamers went to Paizo. As long as everybody plays D&D that's fine.
So only a "fraction of gamers went to Paizo"?
I get the feeeling that WotC's Eyes are bigger than their bellies. Meaning that they will bite off more than they can chew. Think Gametable.
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"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 24 Apr 2009 : 04:23:19
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Originally posted by Icelander
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In that case, silly is word too prosaic, too commonplace, to describe the heights of unrealistic fantasy in which they indulge.
Unrealistic fantasy like a world that was merged with its twin world from another plane causing huge rifts in space and time as a magical plague swept across it's features resulting in floating lands that actually have Underdark in them? |
I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3287 Posts |
Posted - 24 Apr 2009 : 04:27:53
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quote:
Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
quote:
Originally posted by Icelander
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In that case, silly is word too prosaic, too commonplace, to describe the heights of unrealistic fantasy in which they indulge.
Unrealistic fantasy like a world that was merged with its twin world from another plane causing huge rifts in space and time as a magical plague swept across it's features resulting in floating lands that actually have Underdark in them?
That sounds really cool, in Eberron.  I like Eberron but in Eberron. Well except Eberrons Races. I use them in any setting.
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"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Brix
Learned Scribe
147 Posts |
Posted - 24 Apr 2009 : 08:32:17
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quote:
Originally posted by capnvan
2. There's been a fair amount of optimism about the imminent return of pre-4E material. So let me briefly parse his actual statement, as reported on the blog:
"Wizards is looking for ways to publish old (i.e. pre 4E Realms) contents in form of electronic media."
"looking for ways"... refers to the kind of e-publishing they want to employ, not for the will to offer pre-spellplague lore. Unfortunately he did not say if they had already found some means to sell e-content pirate-proof. But since he was very certain that they can do this I'm sure they already know how this system looks like. (Otherwise they would have not halted traditional pdf sales (says my ratio)) |
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arry
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
317 Posts |
Posted - 24 Apr 2009 : 11:04:17
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I'll wait and see what happens (if anything), before I start rejoycing  |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 24 Apr 2009 : 11:58:35
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| Thanks. I'm taking the wait and see approach to this. |
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Kyrene
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