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Darkmeer
Senior Scribe
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 Posted - 28 Jan 2009 : 05:19:16
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Hello fellow Sages,
Once again, I am seeking more information on the Tashalar (it's been awhile).
My biggest question is that there are no listed cities in any 3.x source other than Tashluta and Procalith (Referenced the FRCS, Serpent Kingdoms, and Shining South). There is no real theme to the naming, and I'm wondering if anyone has made any additional cities of either their own or any ideas for names (I'm terrible at naming cities).
Thanks
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rjfras
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 28 Jan 2009 : 16:26:26
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Tashalar is pretty much just the city of Tashluta and the Tashalar Basin, though some include the ruins of Procalith and the city of Narubel.
Outside of Tashluta, the basin supports a few small farming villages in the central valley and several large merchant estates, most of which are located on the flanks of the encircling peaks and along the northern shore. Most of the country estates of the wealthy merchant families include a hamlet just outside the villa walls.
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 28 Jan 2009 : 19:01:36
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According to Ed (creator of the Realms, Tashaluta, the Tashalar, et al), Procalith and Narubel should be included, plus the many, many trading "tent cities" along local roads (which come and go with caravan movements and the seasons [which govern some of the goods being traded in, and moved to markets by caravan]), and the many unmapped, unnamed-in-published-lore dwellings and domicile compounds ("villas," but that's not the local term) outside the cities. This is a region where many, many people live in walled compounds that enclose wells, orchards, stables, food gardens, and either a grand mansion plus smaller and more spartan servants' quarters, or multiple modest dwellings (along the inside of the encircling wall).
I've drawn this from Ed's notes. If you want to ask him more, post questions in his thread, and I'll ferry them to him (and bring back his replies, posting them there).
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Darkmeer
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 28 Jan 2009 : 19:19:19
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
According to Ed (creator of the Realms, Tashaluta, the Tashalar, et al), Procalith and Narubel should be included, plus the many, many trading "tent cities" along local roads (which come and go with caravan movements and the seasons [which govern some of the goods being traded in, and moved to markets by caravan]), and the many unmapped, unnamed-in-published-lore dwellings and domicile compounds ("villas," but that's not the local term) outside the cities. This is a region where many, many people live in walled compounds that enclose wells, orchards, stables, food gardens, and either a grand mansion plus smaller and more spartan servants' quarters, or multiple modest dwellings (along the inside of the encircling wall).
I've drawn this from Ed's notes. If you want to ask him more, post questions in his thread, and I'll ferry them to him (and bring back his replies, posting them there).
love,
THO
Done, although I wasn't quite so sure how to ask, so I posited it much like the original question here. Many thanks THO!
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 28 Jan 2009 : 20:02:01
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| I just checked my Tashalar Map (which includes everything I have found), and thats about it, canon-wise. |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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Darkmeer
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 29 Jan 2009 : 07:31:12
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Originally posted by Markustay
I just checked my Tashalar Map (which includes everything I have found), and thats about it, canon-wise.
I know Narubel is supposed to be somewhere on that map, do you know where?
Many thanks in advance.
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rjfras
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 29 Jan 2009 : 15:53:28
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Originally posted by Darkmeer
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Originally posted by Markustay
I just checked my Tashalar Map (which includes everything I have found), and thats about it, canon-wise.
I know Narubel is supposed to be somewhere on that map, do you know where?
Many thanks in advance.
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Narubel is along the coast, but more to the west off the map, it's in the little indentation along where the coast runs to the northwest.
if you have the FRCS, and look at the big map on pages 100-101, it's just east of the western border of Thindol where that one foothill is sticking through the red line and just to east of that you will see a little indentation. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 29 Jan 2009 : 15:55:42
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Narubel is on the Samarach Map. 
Not sure what it has to do with the Tashalar, judging by the distance and intervening nations. |
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rjfras
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 29 Jan 2009 : 16:18:22
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Originally posted by Markustay
Narubel is on the Samarach Map.
Not sure what it has to do with the Tashalar, judging by the distance and intervening nations.
Your answer can be found on page 10 of Questions for Ed Greenwood (2009) as well as Darkmeer's as Ed has already answered his question about Tashalar and some unmapped cities... more stuff to add to your maps there markustay  |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 29 Jan 2009 : 16:27:16
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Originally posted by rjfras
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Originally posted by Markustay
Narubel is on the Samarach Map.
Not sure what it has to do with the Tashalar, judging by the distance and intervening nations.
Your answer can be found on page 10 of Questions for Ed Greenwood (2009) as well as Darkmeer's as Ed has already answered his question about Tashalar and some unmapped cities... more stuff to add to your maps there markustay
I just finished reading that. If I added all those small settlements (holdings, really), the map would be too cluttered.
Also, I'm thinking about shifting the view of that particular map East by about an inch, or even combining it with the Samarach one (at least in part).
The road along the coast is interesting, but not really do-able with the lore regarding Labrand's Folly - since the creation of that artificial waterway, it would now bisect the road (and I don't really have room for a bridge there - at least not an icon for it).
When I do the higher-res versions of all the FR Maps (which I've begun), I'll have to set it up different, now that I know Narubel is part of Tashalar. |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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Darkmeer
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 30 Jan 2009 : 06:59:26
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Originally posted by Markustay
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Originally posted by rjfras
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Originally posted by Markustay
Narubel is on the Samarach Map.
Not sure what it has to do with the Tashalar, judging by the distance and intervening nations.
Your answer can be found on page 10 of Questions for Ed Greenwood (2009) as well as Darkmeer's as Ed has already answered his question about Tashalar and some unmapped cities... more stuff to add to your maps there markustay
I just finished reading that. If I added all those small settlements (holdings, really), the map would be too cluttered.
Also, I'm thinking about shifting the view of that particular map East by about an inch, or even combining it with the Samarach one (at least in part).
The road along the coast is interesting, but not really do-able with the lore regarding Labrand's Folly - since the creation of that artificial waterway, it would now bisect the road (and I don't really have room for a bridge there - at least not an icon for it).
When I do the higher-res versions of all the FR Maps (which I've begun), I'll have to set it up different, now that I know Narubel is part of Tashalar.
I thank you for all of your help Markustay, and I agree about all the small holdings in the Tashalar would clutter your beautiful map needlessly. Reposting that map of Samarach helps with a campaign I'm running over at Paizo, as well as helps me figure out a few places that hadn't been mapped all that well in official source books (3.x, at least).
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Kyrene
Senior Scribe
South Africa
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Posted - 10 Feb 2009 : 07:04:33
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Originally posted by Markustay
I just checked my Tashalar Map (which includes everything I have found), and thats about it, canon-wise.
Mark,
You just need to spell "Procalith" correctly on that map. At the time of viewing (10-02-2009 09:00 GMT+2) it still says "Proalith". |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 12 Feb 2009 : 04:00:32
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Noted.
I haven't worked on any maps in over two weeks, but when I get back to them, that will be the first thing I correct...
.. and maybe add that coastal road. |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 12 Feb 2009 : 04:24:17
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-Well hop to it Markus! 
BRIMSTONE |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Sinjin Oban
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 02 Apr 2012 : 22:42:41
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Markustay's map answers a question I had about Narubel's location. Since the City of Seasnakes is described in Serpent Kingdoms as being "built into the seacaves that honeycomb the walls of a small natural harbor surrounded by steep cliffs", I wasn't sure if it was where Markustay places it, or in the next indentation to the northwest. I prefer Markustay's locaton.
Also, Narubel was founded by Tashlutans (ethnic Tashalarans and Calishites) and it is described as being on the western end of the Tashtan Coast. The Tashlutan based Rundeen consortium runs most of their pirate operations from Narubel. For these reasons, most people probably think of it as being part of the Tashalar. It is an independent city state. It is ruled in secret by yuan-ti purebloods of the Sauringar tribe. Narubel was the northern end of an overland trade route from Thindar until the yuan-ti isolated it from the rest of Thindol.
One last note: Serpent Kingdoms describes Labrand's Folly as a "subterranean waterway from the tip of Cape Talath to the head of the Thingulph". The head of the Thingulph would be in the Sanrach mountains, west of Thindar, correct? That is a long way.
Markustay seems to have it crossing to the River Guth in the Hazur range. The would make more sense. Or even the River Lundeth. Perhaps the entry in Serpent Kingdoms was meant to read "to the head of the Guthlangulf"? |
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Edited by - Sinjin Oban on 16 Aug 2012 19:51:44 |
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Cities of the Tashalar
