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RyldVrinn
Acolyte
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 Posted - 17 Jan 2009 : 15:17:10
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When Races of Eberron came out, I liked the idea of Warforged. But I made a very special condition for the one player who wanted to play one, in place of his current character. It was a five game session quest to find the Three Singing Sisters - three artifact forges that were the only way one could make a warforged. After that, the group had to make a pact with the Guardian of the Well of All Souls to use the forges' gifts responsibly, or the Guardian would claim them, and the forges, to ensure mortal hands could never touch the Singing Sisters again.
The Three Singing Sisters were created in Netheril, and all lore about them and the warforged had been lost in the fall. |
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Razz
Senior Scribe
USA
749 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2009 : 16:26:09
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So I read that article...not very interesting at all. Just some stuff about how to adapt a story for these races in those worlds. Nothing concrete or official.
Darn. Oh well. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 22 Jan 2009 : 18:59:56
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Originally posted by Razz
Nothing concrete or official.
LOL...
I think that should be the 4e 'catch Phrase'.  |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2009 : 21:44:19
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Originally posted by Razz
So I read that article...not very interesting at all. Just some stuff about how to adapt a story for these races in those worlds. Nothing concrete or official.
Darn. Oh well.
How did they do it? Was there any attempt to ground them in existing lore, or was it a generic "here's how this race could be used in setting X"? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2009 : 23:43:10
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Razz
So I read that article...not very interesting at all. Just some stuff about how to adapt a story for these races in those worlds. Nothing concrete or official.
Darn. Oh well.
How did they do it? Was there any attempt to ground them in existing lore, or was it a generic "here's how this race could be used in setting X"?
Yeah, I'd like to hear about this as well.
Also, were there any examples of how these races would interact with existing Realms races?
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
USA
1618 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2009 : 02:50:29
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the article gives examples of how a Warfordged character could be feasible within a realms campaign. most of the examples come as a rare construct type creature, left over from lost lands such as Lantan. Another example is of a warforged who found his way from Eberron to Faerun through Sigil.
The Genesi portion of the article talks more of how to fit that race into Eberron.
Interesting article, but nothing that locks Warforged into the realms in any significant numbers. Only very, very rare examples. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2009 : 02:58:42
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Originally posted by scererar
the article gives examples of how a Warfordged character could be feasible within a realms campaign. most of the examples come as a rare construct type creature, left over from lost lands such as Lantan. Another example is of a warforged who found his way from Eberron to Faerun through Sigil.
Lantan is lost?
So, it's basically the same as what some of us have already come up with, from the sound of it.
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Originally posted by scererar
Interesting article, but nothing that locks Warforged into the realms in any significant numbers. Only very, very rare examples.
Oh, that part doesn't bother me at all. I prefer that approach... The article I myself wrote only had two dozen of them being created -- and of the first dozen, nine were definitely destroyed, another is believed destroyed, and two are unaccounted for. The second dozen were built but the final activation never happened. |
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
USA
1618 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2009 : 03:18:47
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I may have misspoke a tad about being "lost"
Lantan according to FRCG p. 162.
LANTAN’S REST
The great tsunamis that followed the shifting continents inundated Lantan as it ravaged other coasts and island nations. When the water receded, the island land was nearly gone. All its machines, its technology, and its people were drowned. The land is much reduced in area,and its clockwork marvels lie rusting below the waves. The pirates of Nelanther say a monster sinks any ship that draws near.
My example was just trying to portray Lantan as it was in the past, as one example of where A Warforged character could feasibly come out of. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2009 : 03:30:23
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Originally posted by scererar
the article gives examples of how a Warfordged character could be feasible within a realms campaign. most of the examples come as a rare construct type creature, left over from lost lands such as Lantan. Another example is of a warforged who found his way from Eberron to Faerun through Sigil.
Interesting. Did the article elaborate at all on the experiences of the warforged in Sigil? I'd love to see how the warforged would react when it happened across the Great Foundry for example...
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
USA
1618 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2009 : 03:43:28
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Originally posted by The Sage
quote:
Originally posted by scererar
the article gives examples of how a Warfordged character could be feasible within a realms campaign. most of the examples come as a rare construct type creature, left over from lost lands such as Lantan. Another example is of a warforged who found his way from Eberron to Faerun through Sigil.
Interesting. Did the article elaborate at all on the experiences of the warforged in Sigil? I'd love to see how the warforged would react when it happened across the Great Foundry for example...
A snippet from Dragon Magazine 371, Article: origin Stories, pertaining to Warforged traveling to Toril via Sigil.
Stranger in a Strange Land
"You followed clues and fleeting visions to creep behind the world, which is when you discovered Sigil, the City of Doors. You couldn’t imagine who could have created it or how, and Sigil held portals
uncounted, leading to other planes and even other worlds. It was a wondrously strange place whose sprawling streets looped around inside a mileswide ring so they met where they began. Creatures beyond count teemed in those streets, and you were one of them, but only briefly. Out of your element and unsettled by the sudden appearance of a woman bristling with living blades, you stumbled through a strange portal and fell into a strange land".
Character Motivations
"One or more primary desires might influence you. Return to Eberron: Though you were excited to find Sigil and even to travel to Toril, an entirely alternate world to your own dragon-prophesied home, you were dismayed to discover that no easy way back immediately presented itself. When you picked yourself up from the cobbles of a Waterdhavian alley, nothing remained of the passage. It went one way only". |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2009 : 07:30:43
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| That's it?!? They wrote an article that included a backstory that anyone could have thought up with about 5 seconds' time and a distraction? |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2009 : 16:36:19
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| Yeah, that wasn't too impressive, was it? |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
3243 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2009 : 20:02:00
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| I *was* going to post about the interview with Bruce Cordell and the 'Return of Acererak' in the Open Grave sourcebook for 4th Edition, but I find that I can't do it. Everything I tried typing turned into a rant and I don't want to rant anymore. So, if you want, check out the article. The first half discusses our favoritve one-eyed, one-handed evilness (Vecna). The second half is about the villain from the Tomb of Horrors. |
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
USA
1618 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2009 : 22:34:03
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
That's it?!? They wrote an article that included a backstory that anyone could have thought up with about 5 seconds' time and a distraction?
the example I showed was only one of several background possibilities from the article, but yes, for this specific example, it is it. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2009 : 23:31:33
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quote:
Originally posted by scererar
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
That's it?!? They wrote an article that included a backstory that anyone could have thought up with about 5 seconds' time and a distraction?
the example I showed was only one of several background possibilities from the article, but yes, for this specific example, it is it.
Okay... Well, then for the other possibilities: are they more well-thought out and grounded in lore, or are they also generic attempts that anyone could come up with? |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3287 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jan 2009 : 20:19:45
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-I like the Rauthamari angle myself. Or use them as Terra Cotta Warriors from Shou-Lung (That is the right spot in Kara-Tur Markus?) 
-Shifters would be the People of the Black Blood. 
-Kalashtar(sp) would be from Jhaamdath or descendents of them that went into hiding. Doesn't Elminsters Ecologies have something about a Hidden City of Psionic Monks in the Stormhorns?
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thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 28 Jan 2009 : 21:57:38
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by scererar
[quote]Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
That's it?!? They wrote an article that included a backstory that anyone could have thought up with about 5 seconds' time and a distraction?
the example I showed was only one of several background possibilities from the article, but yes, for this specific example, it is it.
the article seems like it's been done quickly
possibilities are:
One-Off Wizard Experiment
Lantan’s Remnant: You are a marvel of spirit-infused clockwork that
surpassed all Lantan’s previous craft.
Red Wizard Exclusive: produced by one enclave
Stranger in a Strange Land: arrived from Eberron, the Draconic Prophecy extends to FR
Vestige of Gontal: emerged from the destroyed fortress of a primordial
Shifters: in Dambrath, Luruar (People of the Black Blood) |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jan 2009 : 22:19:41
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quote:
Originally posted by Quale
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by scererar
[quote]Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
That's it?!? They wrote an article that included a backstory that anyone could have thought up with about 5 seconds' time and a distraction?
the example I showed was only one of several background possibilities from the article, but yes, for this specific example, it is it.
the article seems like it's been done quickly
possibilities are:
One-Off Wizard Experiment
Lantan’s Remnant: You are a marvel of spirit-infused clockwork that
surpassed all Lantan’s previous craft.
Red Wizard Exclusive: produced by one enclave
Stranger in a Strange Land: arrived from Eberron, the Draconic Prophecy extends to FR
Vestige of Gontal: emerged from the destroyed fortress of a primordial
Shifters: in Dambrath, Luruar (People of the Black Blood)
Well, the one-off experiment idea isn't a bad one. And the Red Wizard idea is also decent. The Lantan and Eber-whatsit ideas are simply too obvious, though.
In fact, that's one thing that's bothered me in general about the 4E stuff: the sample backgrounds. I understand the intent, but most of the ones I've seen are a combination of bland and almost painfully obvious. It's almost like they're trying to dumb the game down to the point that role-playing is an afterthought.
Back on topic, I don't see a need to connect shifters to People of the Black Blood. It is an obvious connection, but it's not like the Realms doesn't have weres elsewhere. And it seems to me that most weres would be individuals, and not part of an organization -- so shifters can pop up in isolation, anywhere. |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 28 Jan 2009 : 22:22:01
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quote:
Originally posted by Quale
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by scererar
[quote]Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
That's it?!? They wrote an article that included a backstory that anyone could have thought up with about 5 seconds' time and a distraction?
the example I showed was only one of several background possibilities from the article, but yes, for this specific example, it is it.
the article seems like it's been done quickly
possibilities are:
One-Off Wizard Experiment
Lantan’s Remnant: You are a marvel of spirit-infused clockwork that
surpassed all Lantan’s previous craft.
Red Wizard Exclusive: produced by one enclave
Stranger in a Strange Land: arrived from Eberron, the Draconic Prophecy extends to FR
Vestige of Gontal: emerged from the destroyed fortress of a primordial
Shifters: in Dambrath, Luruar (People of the Black Blood)
-Thanks Quale.
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will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jan 2009 : 23:22:59
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
The Lantan and Eber-whatsit ideas are simply too obvious, though.
Well, one idea I've had on that angle is that it could be that the warforged in question is actually an evolved form of Gondsman [thanks, maybe, to the empathic link it shared with its creator Techsmith], originally crafted by the Lantanese of Illul. This particular Gondsman/warforged may have grown up from its infancy "assistant" stage... embracing the warrior-aspect of its make-up and embarking on a life of adventure all its own.
There's actually more to this idea, but I'm currently sitting on the majority of the theory until I've written up a proper article for inclusion here at Candlekeep. |
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Ghost King
Learned Scribe
USA
253 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jan 2009 : 04:43:56
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| The more stuff I see come out for 4E the more I'm loathe it. Many of the points given about their obvious lack of creativity in their work shows, at least to me, they are not interested in the roleplaying aspect of the game anymore and more interested in just making another wargame. Which is fine, but they just should have said that up front then waste people's time and money. Any case, Sage, good luck with your work on that idea. Looks like you got a good start I'll be interested in reading it once you post it up to see your take on things. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jan 2009 : 05:03:12
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Originally posted by The Sage
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
The Lantan and Eber-whatsit ideas are simply too obvious, though.
Well, one idea I've had on that angle is that it could be that the warforged in question is actually an evolved form of Gondsman [thanks, maybe, to the empathic link it shared with its creator Techsmith], originally crafted by the Lantanese of Illul. This particular Gondsman/warforged may have grown up from its infancy "assistant" stage... embracing the warrior-aspect of its make-up and embarking on a life of adventure all its own.
There's actually more to this idea, but I'm currently sitting on the majority of the theory until I've written up a proper article for inclusion here at Candlekeep.
Speaking of articles on that particular topic...  |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
3243 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jan 2009 : 05:05:52
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I was going through the map galleries for the new Dungeon magazines and came across this gem of a map from Dungeon 161.
WHY would you create a map that shows a street going diagonal to the map grid? I understand the road is not built along the north-south or east-west lines, but are you serious? North is up, so you have to make movement MORE difficult for the miniatures? How hard would it be to show the road inline with the map grid and offset the COMPASS key?
I don't know if this was laziness or if the designer was trying to be difficult or something. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jan 2009 : 05:14:57
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Speaking of articles on that particular topic...
Believe it or not, I had some time early yesterday morning to start on that. But then I encountered one of the nuisance ASP errors when I tried to post. And since I've had to deactivate the post buffers I've installed in SageBrowser, I lost my reply. 
Better luck next time. |
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Interesting article upcoming in Dragon #371
