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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
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 Posted - 04 Nov 2008 : 19:58:58
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So.........
LAST SPOILER WARNING ALERT....
Was there a 'body' left after he died, and if so, do we know where it was interred? I have theories, but the only thing we know for sure is that his spirit roams the keep still...
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
USA
1715 Posts |
Posted - 04 Nov 2008 : 20:19:26
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Originally posted by Arion Elenim
So.........
LAST SPOILER WARNING ALERT....
Was there a 'body' left after he died, and if so, do we know where it was interred? I have theories, but the only thing we know for sure is that his spirit roams the keep still...
Sad to say, his body was destroyed in the fiery ritual that cleansed the High Moor for Rhymanthiin's rise. He has no burial marker for himself as Khelben "Blackstaff" Arunsun, though his tomb as "Khelben the Elder" was seen in the prologue of Blackstaff Tower.
And while it seems his spirit is in the tower, it's not his soul; think of it akin to the Marvel Comics bit with Wonder Man and the Vision--his "brain patterns" copied magically by the kiira. Thus, it acts and seems like Khelben, but it's a collective magic intellectual entity without a soul.
Steven |
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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
933 Posts |
Posted - 04 Nov 2008 : 20:28:21
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Pfft...what would YOU know about such things? Who are you to....
Oh...wait, you're Steven Schend. Ahem. 
Thanks so much for the info, Mr. Schend...I was expecting hearsay, not info straight from the source!
I'm actually asking as a point of research for a story I'm working on, hopefully to be published somewhere here on Candlekeep early next year. So your help REALLY goes a long way!
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My latest Realms-based short story, about a bard, a paladin of Lathander and the letter of the law, Debts Repaid. It takes place before the "shattering" and gives the bard Arion a last gasp before he plunges into the present.http://candlekeep.com/campaign/logs/log-debts.htm |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6666 Posts |
Posted - 04 Nov 2008 : 21:49:06
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Originally posted by Arion Elenim
Pfft...what would YOU know about such things? Who are you to....
Oh...wait, you're Steven Schend. Ahem.
We should all bow and scrape before his Realmsian Magnificence.
-- George Krashos
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
USA
1715 Posts |
Posted - 04 Nov 2008 : 23:48:26
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Originally posted by George Krashos
quote:
Originally posted by Arion Elenim
Pfft...what would YOU know about such things? Who are you to....
Oh...wait, you're Steven Schend. Ahem.
We should all bow and scrape before his Realmsian Magnificence.
-- George Krashos
I don't want to see the tops of your heads! Stop bowing!
And no scraping, neither! It ruins the polish on the floors!
Steven
who is impatiently watching election results |
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althen artren
Senior Scribe
USA
780 Posts |
Posted - 05 Nov 2008 : 04:36:34
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Man, that was funny. I needed that
moment of levity after the election
result tonight. To further what
SES said, it is common for casters
of Elven High Magic having to
sacrifice themselves to power and
set the magic they shape. Same thing
happened in Elminster in Myth Drannor when
the mythal was created. The mechanics
in Epic Level Magics support this, and
is repeated in CEoE in the High Magic
section.
But I find it interesting that there is no
body, and since Steven is such a Marvel
comic fan (No body = not necessarily dead )
Care to comment, SES?
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
USA
1715 Posts |
Posted - 05 Nov 2008 : 15:49:26
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Originally posted by althen artren
Man, that was funny. I needed that
moment of levity after the election
result tonight. To further what
SES said, it is common for casters
of Elven High Magic having to
sacrifice themselves to power and
set the magic they shape. Same thing
happened in Elminster in Myth Drannor when
the mythal was created. The mechanics
in Epic Level Magics support this, and
is repeated in CEoE in the High Magic
section.
But I find it interesting that there is no
body, and since Steven is such a Marvel
comic fan (No body = not necessarily dead)
Care to comment, SES?
(Yeah, I know there isn't anything to comment)
<waves hand>
These aren't the droids you're looking for....
You can go about your business. Move along.....
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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
933 Posts |
Posted - 05 Nov 2008 : 17:54:38
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| So, would it be safe to assume he was consumed from head to toe, nothing left, items and all? |
My latest Realms-based short story, about a bard, a paladin of Lathander and the letter of the law, Debts Repaid. It takes place before the "shattering" and gives the bard Arion a last gasp before he plunges into the present.http://candlekeep.com/campaign/logs/log-debts.htm |
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
USA
1715 Posts |
Posted - 05 Nov 2008 : 18:45:32
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Originally posted by Arion Elenim
So, would it be safe to assume he was consumed from head to toe, nothing left, items and all?
The only items that went into the pyre with him physically were a blackstaff (though that might remain as the core of the permanent pyre, rather than still being an extant staff) and the kiira n'vaelar which Tsarra exited the fires wearing.
If he had any other items on that he perhaps transferred to her in secret, well, that'd be a nifty trick, aye. Not saying yes, not saying no; just saying that'd be within the bounds of how Khelben operated. In terms of canon, you've only got what it says in the novel--and I didn't define what items Khelben was wearing unless he shared them with Tsarra.
Also, look at what the folk of Rhymanthiin are doing at the end of the Blackstaff book, and think about what might be done with such a thing....
Steven
PS: In rereading Jeff Smith's BONE book (which I have in one-volume-omnibus thanks to Mr. Ed Greenwood), I find a lot of Khelben in the Great Red Dragon. I can easily see the Blackstaff saying "Never play an ace when a two will do."  |
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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
933 Posts |
Posted - 05 Nov 2008 : 18:57:01
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Fantastic - that gives me plenty to work with, then.
Khelben's last moments will play a crucial role in what I'm putting together, and I always hate to step on too many canonical toes! |
My latest Realms-based short story, about a bard, a paladin of Lathander and the letter of the law, Debts Repaid. It takes place before the "shattering" and gives the bard Arion a last gasp before he plunges into the present.http://candlekeep.com/campaign/logs/log-debts.htm |
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yshyi
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 24 Jan 2009 : 03:34:31
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| Whaaa! sniffle sniffle. I miss Khelben. Well, at least someone is there to carry on in his place. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Where is Khelben? (BLACKSTAFF SPOILERS)
