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creyzi4zb12
Learned Scribe
Philippines
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 Posted - 09 Nov 2008 : 19:48:28
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So what happened to it? THe god of the creator races...I would've thought it was on overgod level.
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Tyranthraxus
Senior Scribe
Netherlands
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Posted - 09 Nov 2008 : 22:09:43
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| The World Serpent has split into a whole pantheon. Each deity represents an aspect of the Serpent and are worshipped by lizardfolk, naga's, yuan-ti and the remaining sarruhk. |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
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creyzi4zb12
Learned Scribe
Philippines
129 Posts |
Posted - 10 Nov 2008 : 15:51:52
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| Yeah, sorry...typo error... |
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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 10 Nov 2008 : 19:31:57
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| Far as I know, Eliath is doing just fine in Waterde- Oh...you meant the other Serpent.... :D |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 10 Nov 2008 : 21:32:37
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Originally posted by Arion Elenim
Far as I know, Eliath is doing just fine in Waterde- Oh...you meant the other Serpent.... :D
-Hey, not necessarily, but that depends on the way you look at it. The "Eladrin" lifespan was shortened in the Core 4e rulebooks, so if you want everything to match well, "officially" the "Eladrin" lifespan shortened in the official Forgotten Realms as well. If it was shortened enough, an extra 100 years could be fatal for Elaith.
-Of course, I ignore all of that, but, when you look at it through a different lens, and then allow it to be refracted though a crystal, and then bounced off of a mirror...(ie, combine enough old and new rules together to get the intended result) |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 10 Nov 2008 : 22:49:44
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
Not to mention, Elaine's been quoted on other scrolls that he (99.9% likely) hasn't survived the Spellplague.
-Where did you see this? The most I've seen is Elaine stating that she doesn't know, because Elaith belongs to WotC, and she's too polite to offer speculation as to what she would do with the character, if given the chance. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
3243 Posts |
Posted - 11 Nov 2008 : 03:32:45
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Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
In all candor, I don't KNOW what happened to any of my characters. Given the life expectancy and circumstances of some, I wouldn't expect them to survive. It's possible that a few are still around. I haven't actually discussed the fate of my characters with anyone from WotC, with the exception of Azariah Craulnober.
True, she doesn't speculate that he doesn't survive, but given his age in 1375 and the 100 year jump, it's unlikely. |
I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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Posted - 11 Nov 2008 : 10:05:35
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
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Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
In all candor, I don't KNOW what happened to any of my characters. Given the life expectancy and circumstances of some, I wouldn't expect them to survive. It's possible that a few are still around. I haven't actually discussed the fate of my characters with anyone from WotC, with the exception of Azariah Craulnober.
True, she doesn't speculate that he doesn't survive, but given his age in 1375 and the 100 year jump, it's unlikely.
How old is he in 1375? |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 19 Nov 2008 : 20:39:00
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Personally I think they should use the accidental inclusion of Zehir to their benefit. Zehir was NOT supposed to be in FR - at least two designers have stated such - but no explanation was ever giving. I happen to think that WotC sent an early copy of the core rules to Bioware and didn't bother to tell them NOT to use the gods therein.
So Zehir wound up in FR because Bioware wrapped the entire storyline of their next game around a non-FR god.
But we can run with that... 
Suppose Zehir was the name the World Serpent was known under in Abeir? What if that primordial was nearly on-par with Ao, and chose to divide his essence between the two worlds in order to maintain a strong presence in both? when the two worlds re-combined momentarilly, it became aware that it's 'other half' had fragmented badly, and made some effort to "pull itself together" on Toril, which is how we wound up with some of the strange happenstances after the Spellplague.
Homebrew Extrapolation:
Zehir and Merrshaulk were two halves of the World-Serpent, One for Abeir and one for Toril (this still jibes with what is said in SK). On Abeir, the serpent continued being powerful and unique, although not nearly as powerful as his original form. However, on Toril he continued to fragment, mostly due to the Sarrukh's 'children' following different paths. When the worlds were briefly bridged during the Spellplague, Zehir became aware of his other half and how it shattered into many lesser pieces, and he set-about righting the situation. He re-enters Toril by way Merrshaulk (which was the name of his Torillian half); he simply re-absorbs that god's sleeping awareness and Zehir is 'born anew' into the Realms. Then he awakens Sseth, and grants him enough power to absorb his other 'lost rfragments', thus re-building the Torillian World Serpent.
So Zehir would still be a primordial on Abeir, but he now has a Torillian god-aspect in Merrshaulk (the two names can now be used interchangeably). This god-aspect is still seperate from Sseth, which is now his Torillian counterpart, but by operating through his Merrshaulk-form he can direct events on Toril as well (think of Merrshaulk as an Avatar-at-large of the Abeirran Zehir).
I would assume that his eventual goal is to re-absorb Sseth as well, once that god has regained all of his strength and followers, at which point Zehir will become as powerful as his original form... perhaps moreso. Then he could challenged Ao himself and bring the two worlds crashing back together in an apocalyptic event that would re-establish Scaleykind as the dominant species.  |
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Lord Karsus
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 19 Nov 2008 : 21:34:29
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He's basically the core 'Serpent God', which is why I'm picturing him being Core's version of Set (Game/novel Set, not the RW version). They really can't picture the Mulhorandi (Egyptian) Set that way (and shouldn't have in SK), because technically that's copying what Robert Howard did for the Conan novels with Stygia. In fact, whereas FR's Mulhorandi were Egyptian decendents, Howard's Stygians were Egyptian precursors (making them related, and therfore slightly stepping on some IP toes).
So I think they wanted Set, but didn't want a derivation, so they came-up with the name Zehir. I was hoping this is what we were getting when Mulhorand went away, with a 'Stygia-like' ancient, dark kingdom..... but instead we got Imaskar 2.0.  |
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 19 Nov 2008 : 21:50:39
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Originally posted by Markustay
He's basically the core 'Serpent God', which is why I picturing him being Core's version of Set (Game/novel Set, not the RW version). They really can't picture the Mulhorandi (Egyptian) Set that way (and shouldn't have in SK), because technically thats copying what Robert Howard did for the Conan novels with Stygia. In fact, whereas FR's Mulhorandi were Egyptian decendents, Howard's Stygians were Egyptian precursors (making them related, and therfore slightly stepping on some IP toes).
So I think they wanted Set, but didn't want a derivation, so they came-up with the name Zehir. I was hoping this is what we were getting when Mulhorand went away, with a 'Stygia-like' ancient, dark kingdom..... but instead we got Imaskar 2.0.
R.E. Howard's Set is my all time favorite bad-god. I love Stygia...and I too was hoping for something like it in the Forgotten Realms. 
Now, if I were to run a 4e FR game (which I said I never would...but me saying never really never works out  ) I think I would rework the changed Thay into something more like my FR Stygia idea. Tam just smacks of a powerful, un-named, undead Stygian Wizard to me anyway... |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
3741 Posts |
Posted - 19 Nov 2008 : 22:55:21
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Originally posted by Markustay
He's basically the core 'Serpent God', which is why I picturing him being Core's version of Set (Game/novel Set, not the RW version). They really can't picture the Mulhorandi (Egyptian) Set that way (and shouldn't have in SK), because technically thats copying what Robert Howard did for the Conan novels with Stygia. In fact, whereas FR's Mulhorandi were Egyptian decendents, Howard's Stygians were Egyptian precursors (making them related, and therfore slightly stepping on some IP toes).
So I think they wanted Set, but didn't want a derivation, so they came-up with the name Zehir. I was hoping this is what we were getting when Mulhorand went away, with a 'Stygia-like' ancient, dark kingdom..... but instead we got Imaskar 2.0.
-Alright, so it is a serpent deity, then. I knew of the connections to poison, but I wasn't sure if it was a snake, or if it was something more general (but related to poison). |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 20 Nov 2008 : 00:07:23
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My Mulhorand's always been similar Stygia, but then again I changed quite a bit, including the placement of Thay. I have three related Kingdoms all floating around the same region, all with connections to Thay, but not quite TSR's Thay. I seperated the countries into Set worshippers, Kossuth Worshippers, and Bane Worshippers - but the Set-boys got the crappy end of the deal, because Thayans don't like any connections to Mulhorand, and MY Mulhorand is heavy on the Set worship. My version of the Set-worshippers is very similar (as in I used it as the model) to the country of Nyissa from The Belgariad (think swamps and folks fond of poisons).
People who worship snakes are very cool in my book - even moreso then people who worship spiders (or scorpions).  |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 20 Nov 2008 : 14:51:22
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Originally posted by Dagnirion
-Alright, so it is a serpent deity, then. I knew of the connections to poison, but I wasn't sure if it was a snake, or if it was something more general (but related to poison).
According to the 4E core rulebooks, the gods don't have races, so Zehir isn't really a serpent, Moradin isn't really a dwarf, Corellon isn't really fey, etc. |
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creyzi4zb12
Learned Scribe
Philippines
129 Posts |
Posted - 26 Nov 2008 : 14:09:07
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How many lizardfolk, naga, yuanti gods in their pantheon are there anyway?
And I've heard of Zehir before being the Serpent (or part of it), but I've never heard of Merrshaulk before.... |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 26 Nov 2008 : 14:43:12
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Originally posted by creyzi4zb12
How many lizardfolk, naga, yuanti gods in their pantheon are there anyway?
And I've heard of Zehir before being the Serpent (or part of it), but I've never heard of Merrshaulk before....
Read Serpent Kingdoms.  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 26 Nov 2008 : 15:19:08
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by creyzi4zb12
How many lizardfolk, naga, yuanti gods in their pantheon are there anyway?
And I've heard of Zehir before being the Serpent (or part of it), but I've never heard of Merrshaulk before....
Read Serpent Kingdoms.
On Hallowed Ground and Monster Mythology are also worthwhile source for Merrshaulk.
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dwarvenranger
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 15 Dec 2008 : 18:25:46
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Originally posted by Dalor Darden
I love Stygia...and I too was hoping for something like it in the Forgotten Realms.
So summon a bunch of ice devils and encase yourself in the Great Glacier
Personally this old dwarf finds Stygia too cold for my tastes. |
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Lord Karsus
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So what happened to the Serpent?
