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Patrakis
Learned Scribe
Canada
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 Posted - 29 Oct 2008 : 16:31:09
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From reading many post about Golarion, i gather that many scribes have decided that it will be their new home since they are very dissatified with the new 4e realms. I'm curious to know how many are definetly leaving the realms versus those that adopted Golarion to get their reading fix every month but will still play in FR.
Personnaly, i don't think the realms have died because there won't be anything new to read every month. I'll just continue to play in it as if 4e didn't exist.
I'm also curious to know why some people are turning to another setting because FR isn't supported by new products anymore. Isn't it possible to play in the old realms without a company forcing events in the future? Isn't it possible to play in a well detailed world even though the timeline has stopped in 1375 and each of us has to create the future?
I got to thinking about how much we are dependent of what companies are creating to the point that if it stops, we just change the setting to get our fix of new stuff. I would think that 20 years of development hundreds of books about a setting would be enough to play a lifetime in such a setting. Why the need to change just because the company decided the destroy it all of a sudden. We still have the past...
Anyway...just some musings on my part because i'm a bit sad people are leaving the realms for another setting just because WotC isn't our friend anymore :)
Pat
Note: Maybe there could be a poll about this somewhere. How many are leaving FR behind and adopting Golarion as their new setting. That would be interesting to see.
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arry
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 Oct 2008 : 16:44:58
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| I shan't be leaving FR for Golarion. I like the Realms, feel comfortable DMing and playing there and don't need another setting. There are still 2e & 3e products that I want to collect and I can, yahknow, make stuff up. Besides, money is tight and the £ has plummeted against the $. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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Posted - 29 Oct 2008 : 17:00:18
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I'll never leave the Realms. However, I *am* going to steer my group towards using Pathfinder as the core rules for the Realms. And there will be an occasional jaunt to Golarion, just as I occasionally go to Eberron or 2072 Seattle or the Inner Sphere or ...  |
I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36998 Posts |
Posted - 29 Oct 2008 : 17:38:56
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Part of the problem is an issue of support -- a lot of gamers like systems/settings that are actively being supported.
And another part of the problem is that many people feel so strongly about what's been done to the setting that it affects other aspects of the setting. Even people who have no intention of going past 1374 still know what's in the official future of the Realms -- and that knowledge taints any enjoyment of the Realms from any other point in time. |
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
1098 Posts |
Posted - 29 Oct 2008 : 19:05:18
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What's Golarion?  I don't understand it either Patrakis. Golarion may be a fine setting. Same can be said for Dark Sun, Dragonlance, Greyhawk, whatever. But it's simply not the Realms. |
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Uzzy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
618 Posts |
Posted - 29 Oct 2008 : 19:05:39
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The Realms will always be my first love, but after the sellplague, we need some time apart. So Golarion will fill the void for now. (Besides, the Pathfinder Society works brilliantly for my group)
I'll certainly run a Realms game again though. Just need to be able to look at a Realms product without thinking about what 'That One' did to it. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 29 Oct 2008 : 22:20:01
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 29 Oct 2008 : 23:05:26
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Originally posted by Kuje
I don't have a dedication to one setting, I love the ones I love even though they might be 3rd party or official. Even when TSR was in business, I loved at least four of their settings.
I have to agree with most of this. While the Realms has always been among my first loves, I've never been able to stop at just one campaign setting. During the days of TSR and 2e, I was practically reading, campaigning, and/or even writing, for just about every world they created/published. That trend really didn't stop with the introduction of 3e, though some of my favorite settings were discontinued, like PLANESCAPE, DARK SUN and STAR*DRIVE, while other favorites were reborn under third-parties, like DRAGONLANCE and RAVENLOFT. But I found new worlds to love as well, like MIDNIGHT, ETHERSCOPE, IRON KINGDOMS, DRAGONMECH, DRAGONSTAR, and, of course, EBERRON.
As for "turning away" from the Realms, well, that's not something I could ever do. I've been with the Realms in some way, shape or form since the publication of the Ol' Grey Box. And I knew immediately upon opening the Cyclopedia of the Realms that I'd made a friend for life in the form of the Realms. That's a committment I can never walk away from. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 29 Oct 2008 : 23:57:17
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Originally posted by Kuje
I don't have a dedication to one setting, I love the ones I love even though they might be 3rd party or official.
Yeah, same here. And I haven't left the Realms as I know them to be just because WotC decided to bring out a new version of the setting. |
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Patrakis
Learned Scribe
Canada
256 Posts |
Posted - 30 Oct 2008 : 00:44:49
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Well, i envy those that have the time to explore many worlds but unfortnately, i could devote time to only one other than creating my own stuff.
But i see from the responses so far, than not many have turned away from FR completely. But since your appetites for reading about fantasy settings is so great, you need many settings and worlds. I can understand that.
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Ayunken-vanzan
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 30 Oct 2008 : 04:26:54
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Originally posted by Patrakis
But since your appetites for reading about fantasy settings is so great, you need many settings and worlds.
That's exactly the point. Golarion is an exciting setting, reading about it is fun. But so are the Forgotten Realms. Of, course they are ending with 1385 with no new lore for years past this point in the future, but there countless years in the past to discover with endless possibilities for new lore - something I can't say about 4e FR, since this version is no true version of the realms for me. |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
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Posted - 30 Oct 2008 : 11:14:43
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 30 Oct 2008 : 15:24:39
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Originally posted by Patrakis
Well, i envy those that have the time to explore many worlds but unfortnately, i could devote time to only one other than creating my own stuff.
Hey, I can totally understand the time issue. Like everyone else I only have so much free time, and I choose to split it between other interests besides this particular hobby. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 31 Oct 2008 : 04:31:17
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I originally, whole heartedly wanted to keep playing in the "current" era of the Realms. I was going to keep going with my current campaign and just unfold the campaign the way I wanted to. But the more I read about the new Realms, the harder it was for me to look at the old Realms without realizing how many "loose end" were tied up in very unsatisfactory (for me) ways. I just couldn't look at my Realms and not see looming shadows of what I didn't like in 4E. I, by no means, am saying anyone else should have my reaction, but I couldn't really help it, because it was my gut feeling.
Golarion was a clean slate, and on top of that, I was really energized and wanting to run a campaign again, and on top of that, the thrill of being in on the ground floor of the Pathfinder Society by getting to run events at Gen Con was undeniable.
The closest I can get to picturing running a campaign is to take everything "back to source" and starting out with a 1357 DR campaign that just takes the Old Grey Boxed set and bits and pieces of Greenwood/Boyd/Grubb/Schend lore into account. But I'm not quite ready to go back and try this yet. |
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lowtech
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 31 Oct 2008 : 06:53:32
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Part of the problem is an issue of support -- a lot of gamers like systems/settings that are actively being supported.
And another part of the problem is that many people feel so strongly about what's been done to the setting that it affects other aspects of the setting. Even people who have no intention of going past 1374 still know what's in the official future of the Realms -- and that knowledge taints any enjoyment of the Realms from any other point in time.
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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 31 Oct 2008 : 14:54:12
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| I kind of get the feeling that of the unsatisfied will jump ship or just (as I am doing) modify the Realms to re-suit their tastes. I can only speak for myself, but I think that was common 'before' 4th ed... |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 31 Oct 2008 : 16:25:13
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Indeed it was, for me. Which is one of the main reasons why I'm not interested in 4e FR. My version will never include those events and, hells, for that matter I have a 5 or 6 page word doc about all the things that I even ignore for 3e.
A few people said it before, FR became more of a novel world then a campaign setting, and so I'm not interested in canon FR because the Realm Shaking Events just got to be more and more unbelieveable and they shattered my belief that so many could happen so fast in so short a span of years without the races just going, ANOTHER ONE?.
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I kind of get the feeling that of the unsatisfied will jump ship or just (as I am doing) modify the Realms to re-suit their tastes. I can only speak for myself, but I think that was common 'before' 4th ed...
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36998 Posts |
Posted - 31 Oct 2008 : 16:50:13
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Originally posted by Arion Elenim
I kind of get the feeling that of the unsatisfied will jump ship or just (as I am doing) modify the Realms to re-suit their tastes. I can only speak for myself, but I think that was common 'before' 4th ed...
It was common, but with a couple of differences:
1) Not many people ignored all canon beyond a certain point. Either people played earlier, or they stayed current, but ignored some events and adjusted their campaigns accordingly. Staying current up until a point and then going totally off the map was not all that common.
2) While many people did add or tweak their own stuff, not many felt like they were forced to ignore certain things or felt like they were deliberately being kicked to the curb. Right or wrong, that's now a common feeling. |
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Tyranthraxus
Senior Scribe
Netherlands
423 Posts |
Posted - 03 Nov 2008 : 00:42:41
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I'm not going to switch to the Pathfinder Campaign (or at least I'm not planning to do so) but I am, like some other scribes, using some elements of the PF game in my FR game.
I was thinking of switching campaigns and maybe create my own, but that's not because of 4E. To be honest I have mixed feelings about the new Realms and maybe give it a shot. The players in my group wouldn't mind if I do, though they're skeptic about the new rules.
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Shemmy
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 06 Nov 2008 : 07:29:37
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While I'm still running a 3.x Planescape campaign with heavy FR content, the next time I start a new game, I'll be doing so in Golarion. Of course, I'm biased in Golarion's favor to some extent I figure. Just a wee bit.
Given IMO what has happened to FR in 4e, the only thing that's likely to make me consider jumping back in to what had been my favorite non-planar setting is this: 5e, a new design team entirely divorced from the 4e team, and a reboot to the 1370s with a tacit admission of "We screwed up." That's not likely to happen unless the IP gets sold off however, so rather than holding my breath I'm simply moving on. With regret, but moving on nonetheless. |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 08 Nov 2008 : 01:49:11
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Originally posted by Shemmy
Given IMO what has happened to FR in 4e, the only thing that's likely to make me consider jumping back in to what had been my favorite non-planar setting is this: 5e, a new design team entirely divorced from the 4e team, and a reboot to the 1370s with a tacit admission of "We screwed up." That's not likely to happen unless the IP gets sold off however, so rather than holding my breath I'm simply moving on. With regret, but moving on nonetheless.
-As I've said in the past, (with the principle of a complete reboot negating the things that happened with the debut of 4e), that would be a bad idea, for two reasons. The first and most obvious would be, where do you "restart"? Some people say in 1,372 DR, some people say in 1,375 DR, some people say 1,358 DR, and some say something completely different. Second is- and this is the part that *I* think is most important- is that such an event would hurt the credibility of the Forgotten Realms. It's a setting where everything (more or less) is canon and has an impact on the world, big or small. Taking however many years the 4e era lasts, and then just throwing it all out the window, saying "Eh, nothing happened. This really didn't happen." hurts the credibility of the setting. I don't watch too much TV, and I don't know if you watch a lot of TV either, but, that's a (fairly) used trope in movies and TV. "It was all a dream". That TV show 'Dallas' is the prime example. From what I understand, a lot of people stopped watching that show after, like, an entire season was deemed "a dream". Stuff like that just isn't a good idea for things, in general.
-Anyway, to be on topic, I've given the Golarion setting a quick look, but I wasn't very interested. That's not to say anything about it's designers and authors, of course. The Forgotten Realms, they just have something that 'jumps out' at me. Golarion, not so much. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36998 Posts |
Posted - 08 Nov 2008 : 02:33:22
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| Well, the credibility of the setting was also damaged for many of us by what was done to it. And for a lot of us, resetting to an earlier point -- even if only to the end of the 3E era -- would be preferrable to abandoning the setting and/or ignoring all new material. |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 08 Nov 2008 : 04:08:01
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Well, the credibility of the setting was also damaged for many of us by what was done to it. And for a lot of us, resetting to an earlier point -- even if only to the end of the 3E era -- would be preferrable to abandoning the setting and/or ignoring all new material.
-I am among those who dislike the direction that the setting was taken in, don't get me wrong. I am among those who with that X, Y and Z had never happened. But, at the end of the day, it all did happen. That's the part that's the "deal breaker", to me.
-It did happen, and even if things get reset, I'll always know in my mind that the Spellplague, et al all happened. Things can be made "unofficial", "decannonized", or whatever the proper term for it, but, the thing is, it's like, as I said, the setting's credibility (as a flowing, [mostly] evolving everything-is-canon setting) is flushed down the toilet. Things can be reset to, 1,375 DR (The last official date before the Spellplague), but there goes the concept of the Forgotten Realms as a flowing (mostly) evolving everything-is-canon setting.
-Of course, there are the "All of that was a dream"/"That happened in a parallel world"/"Blanket, unexplaining retcon" solutions, but those types of things just make me shrug. Sometimes, that type of stuff is just as bad. Again, though, that's just me.
-"Healed" or not, stuff is just 'broken', for a lack of better words, for me. I don't think that doing something to make the setting closer to it's 'non-broken' form is a good idea, because, that just makes it even more 'broken'.
-If that all makes sense. |
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Posted - 08 Nov 2008 : 04:42:36
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 08 Nov 2008 : 06:57:37
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Well, the credibility of the setting was also damaged for many of us by what was done to it. And for a lot of us, resetting to an earlier point -- even if only to the end of the 3E era -- would be preferrable to abandoning the setting and/or ignoring all new material.
-I am among those who dislike the direction that the setting was taken in, don't get me wrong. I am among those who with that X, Y and Z had never happened. But, at the end of the day, it all did happen. That's the part that's the "deal breaker", to me.
-It did happen, and even if things get reset, I'll always know in my mind that the Spellplague, et al all happened. Things can be made "unofficial", "decannonized", or whatever the proper term for it, but, the thing is, it's like, as I said, the setting's credibility (as a flowing, [mostly] evolving everything-is-canon setting) is flushed down the toilet. Things can be reset to, 1,375 DR (The last official date before the Spellplague), but there goes the concept of the Forgotten Realms as a flowing (mostly) evolving everything-is-canon setting.
How would you feel if they did both? Do a reset to some earlier point, but spin off the post-Sellplague Realms as another setting? |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
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Posted - 08 Nov 2008 : 17:42:08
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How would you feel if they did both? Do a reset to some earlier point, but spin off the post-Sellplague Realms as another setting?
-It'd be like what I said. If such a think happened, it wouldn't be as if I suddenly forgot that, during the 4e era, things happened as they did. Returning to sometime before the Spellplague, it'd always be in my mind that the stuff that happened tanked, and that the designers wanted/needed to return to an earlier time to "sweep everything under the rug". That's the thing: in the setting, sure, things can be handwaved and retconned away to have never of happened. The...'taint', for a lack of better words, will always be there, in a meta-game sense, no matter what they do, keep it or shove it. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 08 Nov 2008 : 19:17:21
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Originally posted by Dagnirion
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
How would you feel if they did both? Do a reset to some earlier point, but spin off the post-Sellplague Realms as another setting?
-It'd be like what I said. If such a think happened, it wouldn't be as if I suddenly forgot that, during the 4e era, things happened as they did. Returning to sometime before the Spellplague, it'd always be in my mind that the stuff that happened tanked, and that the designers wanted/needed to return to an earlier time to "sweep everything under the rug". That's the thing: in the setting, sure, things can be handwaved and retconned away to have never of happened. The...'taint', for a lack of better words, will always be there, in a meta-game sense, no matter what they do, keep it or shove it.
*shrugs* I guess that's where we disagree. If the Sellplague was removed, either by resetting or retcon, then it would for me be as if it hadn't happened. I'd be a happy Realms fan once more. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 09 Nov 2008 : 04:04:57
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I'm somewhere in-between you guys.
I certainly wouldn't be able to just disregard the 'setting that never was', but if they explained it all away somehow in-game, then I would be able to swallow it and continue on in the era that I enjoy.
For instance, Savras (or some other god) foresaw what was going to happen, and placed certain events in-motion that could reverse the Spellplague and make everything right. Perhaps he/they sent someone away to an alternate prime, or maybe Ao 'cloned' the world once again (heck, he did it before  ) to see which would be the better outcome for Toril in the long run (ie, Shar eventually manages to destroy everything as she has always planned, so Ao hits the 'reset' button).
Whatever; I don't even care if it's hokey - so long as they come up with something I'll be a happy little camper with my 'Golden Age' FR goodness. |
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WhrenKehrsyn
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 09 Nov 2008 : 06:46:51
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| Since Im disregarding anything 4e anyway, a reboot wouldnt be a big deal for me. Nothing post 1375 happens in my Realms so if WotC were to retcon out the Spellplague I wouldnt have any issue with it. |
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Brother Ezra
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 09 Nov 2008 : 15:33:01
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I'm still on the fence. One one hand, I have more than enough material to run campaigns in the Realms until the end of my life. I'm not a 4th ed. supporter, so I won't be making any additional WotC purchases. Most library is mostly complete with Realms publications from the Grey Box all the way through A Grand History.
I am still intrigued, however, with Golarion. The list of contributing authors alone would draw my attention, and the fact that all Paizo adventure paths will be set in Golarion going forward makes me want to know more about the setting.
I'm running Savage Tide in the Realms right now, but doing so with Eric Boyd's very helpful articles on converting ST to the Realms. My next campaign is probably foing to be Rise of the Runelords, and I'm seriously considering running it in Golarion.
The purchase of yet another campaign setting (and the gratuitous expansions) is the only thing holding me back right now. $$ are in short supply.  |
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Posted - 09 Nov 2008 : 16:29:19
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| You might want to read Kuje's review of the CS in this scroll, starting at the bottom of page 5. |
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Moving from FR to Golarion
