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danbuter
Seeker
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 Posted - 10 Nov 2008 : 02:01:04
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| I picked up the Campaign Guide. It is really good. The world is pretty generic, and not over-developed. I plan on using Castles and Crusades, and there isn't very much 3e-specific info in the book. It's mostly just lore. |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 17 Nov 2008 : 05:58:00
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Patrakis: my group and I have made a full move to Golarion.
We're currently wrapping up two Realms homecampaigns (one based on the Moonsea book, and the other following the Cormyr/Shadowdale/Anauroc hardcovers, with.. ahem.. some severe plot tweaks by yours truly!  )
We are already using the Pathfinder Beta Playtest rules as our Core rules now. It's soooooo much better (barbarians and paladins got a really good boost due to innovative new game mechanics, and the fighters and rogues are no longer so bland... basically, they took each 3.5 Core Class and DMG PrC and "fixed" them to make them more playable alongside the other "Complete Books" i.e. scouts, ninjas, spellwarp snipers, etc.)
As soon as we complete our FR homegames or decide to let them slip by the wayside due to massive disinterest, we will move to the actual Golarion world (some of use already own many Pathfinder Adventures so far; we all have a printed copy of PRPG Beta; and yours truly has a full blown Pathfinder Campaign Setting Hardcover (which Ed has contributed to, no less!  )
So come with me!  Ed fully approves of this setting (again, by his contribution to Pathfinder Campaign Setting) and Elaine Cunningham is writing Golarion stories as we speak, a six-part serial fiction for Pathfinder (the first of which gets published in Pathfinder Adventure Path #19, in the Pathfinder Journal section). According to Elaine's website, "The Journal is serial fiction, told as a first person narrative by a Pathfinder--a member of a society devoted to exploration and adventure. They are somewhat reminiscent of the Harpers, only edgier and less altruistic." Also, to give you an idea of Paizo's dynamic team, Elaine said this back in August, "Okay, the detailed outline (16 single-spaced pages, which is a lot of detail for a work that will be, in total, about 25,000 words) went out yesterday. Before the day was out, I had comments back from the editor, including input from the game designers. And follow-up emails. Same day. I love these guys." Here's the link to the product which will contain the first part of her Pathfinder story, if you want to pre-order or get an ongoing subscription (like I did! )
http://paizo.com/pathfinder/v5748btpy84bd&source=search
Ok... nuff said. I've made the Realms my home since 1988, so you can decide "which side I'm on" for yourself (i.e. it was with great sadness that I finally "moved on" from the Realms, but I just couldn't handle being a witness to its slaughter anymore... like showing up at the execution of your best friend knowing he's innocent, really...) I don't want to judge those that will remain in the Realms here. This is not my intent. But by extension of being a fellow long-standing Realms lover and by knowing, in general, what some of you may like, I thought I'd pop in here for a while to share this with you: Pathfinder is amazing. Try it and let me know what you think.
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Misery
Acolyte
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Posted - 17 Nov 2008 : 08:53:59
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I'm playing more FR still though I do plan on playing in Golarion too. Its a pretty solid setting with some great minds working behind it.
Of course I have the luxury of having some time to explore and experience more then one setting since I don't have my OWN. Still, FR will always be the first love. Too many good times to turn my back on it by any means.
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
947 Posts |
Posted - 18 Nov 2008 : 04:04:11
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
*shrugs* I guess that's where we disagree. If the Sellplague was removed, either by resetting or retcon, then it would for me be as if it hadn't happened. I'd be a happy Realms fan once more.
we can only hope they will see the error of their ways |
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Patrakis
Learned Scribe
Canada
256 Posts |
Posted - 18 Nov 2008 : 18:39:34
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Hi PDK,
I appreciate your new love for Golarion but frankly, i don't think i will move to another setting just because it's not supported by WotC anymore. (Yes i know it's still supported in words but those are not the realms to me).
In fact, i think i have the realms just where i want them. Developped up to a fixed point, leaving me free reign on its futur. You see, i am an old friend of the Harnworld campaign setting. If i remember correctly, i move from Harn to FR in 1986. And what i liked about HW was the fact, and it was clear right at the start, that the world would be described up to a fixed point; the year 720. Nothing beyond that. They gave us history articles, and local articles, kingdom articles, everything was done in respect that 720 was the year the DM took the world in his own hands.
Well FR is like that now. Everything was developped up until 1385 DR and that is more than ok with me. No more waiting for this and that or worrying if what will be publish will contradict what i make. I'm more than happy to go back to the myriad of products that was printed and read it again for the first time:) I think i'm also happy because i wont be a slave to what a company puts out every month. It must be an age thing, where you want to feel contortable with what you have and stop worrying about what il be. I'm confortable with FR ... it just feel like home.
Pat
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Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
Patrakis: my group and I have made a full move to Golarion.
We're currently wrapping up two Realms homecampaigns (one based on the Moonsea book, and the other following the Cormyr/Shadowdale/Anauroc hardcovers, with.. ahem.. some severe plot tweaks by yours truly! )
We are already using the Pathfinder Beta Playtest rules as our Core rules now. It's soooooo much better (barbarians and paladins got a really good boost due to innovative new game mechanics, and the fighters and rogues are no longer so bland... basically, they took each 3.5 Core Class and DMG PrC and "fixed" them to make them more playable alongside the other "Complete Books" i.e. scouts, ninjas, spellwarp snipers, etc.)
As soon as we complete our FR homegames or decide to let them slip by the wayside due to massive disinterest, we will move to the actual Golarion world (some of use already own many Pathfinder Adventures so far; we all have a printed copy of PRPG Beta; and yours truly has a full blown Pathfinder Campaign Setting Hardcover (which Ed has contributed to, no less! )
So come with me! Ed fully approves of this setting (again, by his contribution to Pathfinder Campaign Setting) and Elaine Cunningham is writing Golarion stories as we speak, a six-part serial fiction for Pathfinder (the first of which gets published in Pathfinder Adventure Path #19, in the Pathfinder Journal section). According to Elaine's website, "The Journal is serial fiction, told as a first person narrative by a Pathfinder--a member of a society devoted to exploration and adventure. They are somewhat reminiscent of the Harpers, only edgier and less altruistic." Also, to give you an idea of Paizo's dynamic team, Elaine said this back in August, "Okay, the detailed outline (16 single-spaced pages, which is a lot of detail for a work that will be, in total, about 25,000 words) went out yesterday. Before the day was out, I had comments back from the editor, including input from the game designers. And follow-up emails. Same day. I love these guys." Here's the link to the product which will contain the first part of her Pathfinder story, if you want to pre-order or get an ongoing subscription (like I did! )
http://paizo.com/pathfinder/v5748btpy84bd&source=search
Ok... nuff said. I've made the Realms my home since 1988, so you can decide "which side I'm on" for yourself (i.e. it was with great sadness that I finally "moved on" from the Realms, but I just couldn't handle being a witness to its slaughter anymore... like showing up at the execution of your best friend knowing he's innocent, really...) I don't want to judge those that will remain in the Realms here. This is not my intent. But by extension of being a fellow long-standing Realms lover and by knowing, in general, what some of you may like, I thought I'd pop in here for a while to share this with you: Pathfinder is amazing. Try it and let me know what you think.
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 19 Nov 2008 : 07:28:15
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Patrakis,
Like I said, I'm still wrapping up two homecampaigns set in the Realms... so don't you think for a minute that 15-20 years' worth of FR gaming products will go to the toilet. The "wrapping up of campaigns" could take a year or two, maybe slightly more. Moreover, regardless of which setting I end up playing, I will always be drawing from my FR books (underdark, yuan-ti, CoV, PGtoF, etc. etc. etc.)
However, in the end, I will be giving a serious try to the Pathfinder setting. It's just starting right now, but it will gain momentum and new fans and gamers along with it. I won't make the switch overnight, and I won't do it only because "it's the new thing," but will make the switch because it's a winning setting: quality products attract huge numbers of quality gamers, and while I wish I could draw from an infinite pool of Realms-savvy players, the reality is that out there, it's become increasingly hard to recruit good players who love and respect the Realms. The majority of newbies or young DMs I've met in the last two years have mostly been of the kind who like to run games in their homebrew world/setting. The Sellplague has been a huge turn off for the next generation of gamers (i.e. younger than me, i.e. pre-30s crowd), who don't really "get" why they should get involved with a setting who just got nuked. "Aftermath" campaigns must really present a gritty feel, and exhude a post-apocalyptic view of things. Not some "half-assed" magical wave semi nuking further mitigated/softballed by a 100-year buffer unexplainable phenomenon crap setting!
So while I loved the Realms, and hate what it has become, I could have lived with it being "dead setting" if hordes of players would still be clamoring for the pre-Sellplague Realms and seeking to actively game within that stagnant, unchanging and developed to "1375 DR perfection" setting. The reality is that the Realms had a niche following and audience that "could have gone to Hell and back" with the setting, but to let it "go to Hell and never come back" is the pill that was too hard to swallow for most, which ended up fracturing the fanbase.
And fractured niched markets are goners. Period.
I wouldn't even be surprised if D&D as a whole goes the way of the dodo bird in a year or so. D&D *is* a niche market, after all. A slightly bigger niche market than FR, but a niche nonetheless. So FR being a smaller subgroup of D&D, seeing it tank is akin to seeing someone lose a limb to some horrible disease, knowing the other limbs are next, and the main body last...  |
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Pandora
Learned Scribe
Germany
305 Posts |
Posted - 19 Nov 2008 : 09:00:16
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
*shrugs* I guess that's where we disagree. If the Sellplague was removed, either by resetting or retcon, then it would for me be as if it hadn't happened. I'd be a happy Realms fan once more.
we can only hope they will see the error of their ways
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 19 Nov 2008 : 17:29:08
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Originally posted by Pandora
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
*shrugs* I guess that's where we disagree. If the Sellplague was removed, either by resetting or retcon, then it would for me be as if it hadn't happened. I'd be a happy Realms fan once more.
we can only hope they will see the error of their ways
seconded!
I would probably quickly forgive as well. Considering what they last did to "fix" the Realms, I am a little worried about what they would do to "fix" the last "fix." Basically, I have just lost any confidence in WotC's ability to do anything right in the Realms anymore (certain designers aside), but if given significant proof that they could, I would be willing to forgive and forget. |
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Thalos_Milathriel
Acolyte
USA
33 Posts |
Posted - 20 Nov 2008 : 03:58:35
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Never heard of Golarion. Perhaps I will check into it. I love the Realms and don't think I'll ever give it up completely, but the new stuff is getting less and less appealing aside from the novels and that's still iffy.
Forgotten Realms 4E has "jumped the shark".
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RodOdom
Senior Scribe
USA
509 Posts |
Posted - 21 Nov 2008 : 09:21:24
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Originally posted by Brian R. JamesGolarion may be a fine setting. Same can be said for Dark Sun, Dragonlance, Greyhawk, whatever. But it's simply not the Realms.
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 22 Nov 2008 : 21:09:53
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Originally posted by Thalos_Milathriel
"This is not the Forgotten Realms I thought I knew." -Barack Obama
Where did you see this quote? O_x |
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Thalos_Milathriel
Acolyte
USA
33 Posts |
Posted - 24 Nov 2008 : 02:07:30
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Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
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Originally posted by Thalos_Milathriel
"This is not the Forgotten Realms I thought I knew." -Barack Obama
Where did you see this quote? O_x
I got it second hand from Elminster, the Old Sage who is said to visit our plane from time to time.  |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 28 Nov 2008 : 21:05:43
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LOL! ok... thought so... I'm happy to think there are still things relegated to the fantastic... 'cause if Obama played not only D&D, but played in the Realms... well... that would be too cool to bear.
Hmmm... if that would be the case, I wonder if Ed could be appointed to Head of Homeland Fantasy... (imagine the bodyguard contingent: fat male gamers running around Ed's limo... LOL!!!! ) |
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Moving from FR to Golarion
