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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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 Posted - 02 Aug 2023 : 13:06:21
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Originally posted by Rhufus
Are there any structures like keeps or anything still in Impiltur that was built by the Narfel empire? Besides demon cysts of course.
Openly? No. There are a few hidden in the Earthfast Mountains though, and of course there is Dun Orthass - the Citadel of Conjurers. Although its post-Spellplague fate is still a matter of conjecture.
-- George Krashos
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"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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TBeholder
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 Aug 2023 : 02:51:07
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Originally posted by Rhufus
Are there any structures like keeps or anything still in Impiltur that was built by the Narfel empire?
Which leads to the question of Narathmault, which led to this whole mess. As well as lesser settlements / outpost / vaults of Riildath. How much is left of those ruins long after the Nar plundered them for fiend-related magic?
I mean, it's old, yet even Miyeritar left ruins (surface was scourged, of course, but some structures below the ground remained in Undermoor). |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6643 Posts |
Posted - 03 Aug 2023 : 14:34:39
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Narathmault is Dun Tharos - or more correctly the underground ways of Narathmault are Dun Tharos. The elves of Lethyr removed most of the old surface vestiges of that place when it was claimed and then the druids of Leth cleaned up the Narfelli stuff after the Great Conflagration. There's lots of stuff under the woodlands but the ways under were assiduously blocked up by the elves and druids. For safety reasons. of course.
-- George Krashos |
"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
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Posted - 03 Aug 2023 : 14:49:55
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On Narathmault / Dun-Tharos there was novel, Lady of Poison, that delves the ruins a little tiny bit. I can't recall much though, other than it naming some of the entrapped beings.
At one point we were doing some non-canon creation here... setting Narathmault as a follow on civilization from an earlier society of hags (they called the place Bheuristahl) and having the hags seizing the place from the great spirit spider "Chupoclops" which is a vestige in Tome of Magic.
This was specific to narathmault
http://candlekeep.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=18551
This was an add on conversation where we were proposing that at one point the links to the spirit realm that exist in Kara-tur extended further west into the Unapproachable east and bloodstone lands (and this would be why Rashemen is the way it is), and it delves the idea of the hag city of Bheuristahl and Chupoclops more.
http://candlekeep.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=18675&whichpage=3 |
Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
Phillip aka Sleyvas |
Edited by - sleyvas on 03 Aug 2023 14:56:13 |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6643 Posts |
Posted - 04 Aug 2023 : 01:39:01
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I've recently come up with an alternative reason for the hag presence in Rashemen and all will be revealed hopefully soonish.
-- George Krashos |
"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
11689 Posts |
Posted - 04 Aug 2023 : 13:54:58
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Originally posted by George Krashos
I've recently come up with an alternative reason for the hag presence in Rashemen and all will be revealed hopefully soonish.
-- George Krashos
Would love to read it, and can probably worm it into the other idea as well. |
Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
Phillip aka Sleyvas |
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kysus
Learned Scribe
USA
106 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2023 : 04:24:46
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| Thank you George for your reply, i have gotten another question for you that has just recently come to my mind that ive been thinking on. In your Impiltur timeline in the year 727 it sated that Vedrymmell fell when the few high mages unsuccessfully try to create a mythal and in the 3rd forgotten realms campaign book it has this paragraph on the grey forest about this area where there are these circles of trees that was said to be elves that turned themselves into those trees and i was wondering if maybe these two things where the same thing that maybe that was the result of the failed high magic being cast that everyone involved in that casting got transformed into those trees? |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6643 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2023 : 04:32:00
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Originally posted by kysus
Thank you George for your reply, i have gotten another question for you that has just recently come to my mind that ive been thinking on. In your Impiltur timeline in the year 727 it sated that Vedrymmell fell when the few high mages unsuccessfully try to create a mythal and in the 3rd forgotten realms campaign book it has this paragraph on the grey forest about this area where there are these circles of trees that was said to be elves that turned themselves into those trees and i was wondering if maybe these two things where the same thing that maybe that was the result of the failed high magic being cast that everyone involved in that casting got transformed into those trees?
Very perceptive Kysus. Yes, the tree circles are the remnants of the High Magi of Vedrymmell and other citizens of that realm affected by the backlash of the failed mythal ritual.
-- George Krashos |
"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
Edited by - George Krashos on 06 Aug 2023 04:33:44 |
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kysus
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 14 Aug 2023 : 06:34:37
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| George the failure to cast that high magic ritual do you think its cause was do to a lack of sufficient amount of highmages needed for the casting or a lack of experience among the few high mages that were present for the casting? or something different maybe like them making mistakes while trying to rush and get the ritual completed before the scaled horde made it to them? |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6643 Posts |
Posted - 15 Aug 2023 : 16:38:47
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It was a combination of rushing/lack of preparedness and lack of sufficiently experienced High Mages, with many of the senior ones having joined the fight against the Army of Darkness to save Myth Drannor and perished in that terrible conflict.
-- George Krashos |
"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
11689 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2023 : 13:09:54
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Hey, how many "Dun" places did you guys come up with for Narfell out of curiosity? What it just Dun-Tharos (i.e. Narathmault) and Dun-Orthass (i.e. Citadel of Conjurers)
Was thinking it might be interesting to have some "fallen" citadels of Narfell (and just to play on the naming trick that was done... maybe a Dun-Arthos, a Dun-Sorath, a Dun-Ratosh, a Dun-Hastor, etc..) scattered across the bloodstone lands. Maybe some of them are even "fallen and rebuilt over" with some hidden danger still lurking that people don't realize. Maybe even we find out that the Castle of the Witch King Zhengyi (i.e. Castle Perilous) was one such place. |
Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
Phillip aka Sleyvas |
Edited by - sleyvas on 16 Aug 2023 13:11:41 |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6643 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2023 : 23:23:50
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I've only ever done one, new "Dun". No reason there can't be more. Although I would confine "Duns" to citadels. Smaller castles and fortresses should be "Vals" in my book.
-- George Krashos |
"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
11689 Posts |
Posted - 21 Aug 2023 : 18:18:28
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Originally posted by George Krashos
I've only ever done one, new "Dun". No reason there can't be more. Although I would confine "Duns" to citadels. Smaller castles and fortresses should be "Vals" in my book.
-- George Krashos
I like that idea of Narfellians using different beginnings of names for their "forts" versus their "citadels". That brings up an idea in my mind too that perhaps Raumathar would do something similar. Might be worth reviewing that story in GHotR that details the fall of both since I know that it introduced some terms that were vague (hortha, drith, sarnar, Arkhan, etc...) |
Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
Phillip aka Sleyvas |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6643 Posts |
Posted - 22 Aug 2023 : 12:59:53
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Not vague at all. You just don’t speak Narfelli.
— George Krashos |
"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
11689 Posts |
Posted - 22 Aug 2023 : 15:55:31
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Originally posted by George Krashos
Not vague at all. You just don’t speak Narfelli.
— George Krashos
Right and we don't have a definition in the article (though there's probably one in this thread if I dig... and I was probably the one that asked and I've forgotten the answer). |
Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
Phillip aka Sleyvas |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6643 Posts |
Posted - 24 Aug 2023 : 13:35:36
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The Narfelli words are:
Sarn/sarnar: year/years
Hortha: aspect of an extra-planar being
Drith: demon(s)
Drithdarkar: demonbinders
Urhortha: avatar of a god or actual extra-planar being
(the "hortha" and "urhortha" distinction reflected the 3E use of "aspects")
-- George Krashos |
"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
11689 Posts |
Posted - 24 Aug 2023 : 17:28:46
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Originally posted by George Krashos
The Narfelli words are:
Sarn/sarnar: year/years
Hortha: aspect of an extra-planar being
Drith: demon(s)
Drithdarkar: demonbinders
Urhortha: avatar of a god or actual extra-planar being
(the "hortha" and "urhortha" distinction reflected the 3E use of "aspects")
-- George Krashos
So, just like English, its probably not an exacting science.... but we might take from this that the suffix "ar" is equivalent to the English "s" put at the end of a word to make it plural (so a demonbinder may be a drithdark, and if someone were to speak of "forts" they might say "valar"). Similarly, and this is much less likely, "ur" may be a prefix used to mean "greater" like we use "super" or "fore"... though it may only be a term used in reference to creatures, etc... such that a "greater binding circle" may be referred to as an "urdark ring".
Somewhat similarly... rather than UR... the Raumathari may use AR as a prefix to mean the same thing (drawing this from the term "The Arkhan of Raumathar"). So, lesser leaders in Raumathar might have been Khan.... which is later further degraded into Khahan in the hordelands.
Making some further suppositions (i.e. pulling stuff out my ass).... perhaps some of this Raumathari language carried over into the language of Thay later. We see that the prefix Au is used in that language to mean "lesser" (i.e. you have the Tharchion and the autharchs under him). Similarly, the Khan as a local magistrate over a town may have become a Khazark. |
Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
Phillip aka Sleyvas |
Edited by - sleyvas on 24 Aug 2023 18:01:51 |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6643 Posts |
Posted - 26 Aug 2023 : 06:15:32
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In my Realms, Thayan is predominately Mulan influenced by Turmic (the Turami). The "purest" reflection of the ancient Raumathari tongue is Rashemi. Elements of Raumathari are also present in the Damaran tongue, which I consider is a polyglot of ancient Chondathan, Nar, and Raumathari.
-- George Krashos |
"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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