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TomCosta
Forgotten Realms Designer
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Posted - 06 Apr 2021 : 22:03:03
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Several of George's lists made it into Grand History of the Realms, including that for Impiltur, but not Damara. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6667 Posts |
Posted - 07 Apr 2021 : 10:11:35
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There is no official lineage of Damara. I have one, but most of it is ... ahem ... made up.
-- George Krashos |
"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
2067 Posts |
Posted - 07 Apr 2021 : 12:31:16
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quote: Originally posted by George Krashos
There is no official lineage of Damara. I have one, but most of it is ... ahem ... made up.
-- George Krashos
We know George. The rest of us do the hard work of traveling to the Realms and interviewing surly Realmsians, but you just make it all up. ;-) |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36805 Posts |
Posted - 07 Apr 2021 : 16:41:48
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quote: Originally posted by ericlboyd
quote: Originally posted by George Krashos
There is no official lineage of Damara. I have one, but most of it is ... ahem ... made up.
-- George Krashos
We know George. The rest of us do the hard work of traveling to the Realms and interviewing surly Realmsians, but you just make it all up. ;-)
And suddenly I find myself wondering... Which has more dangerous natural inhabitants, the Realms -- or Australia? Both have very large spiders, one has dragons, the other has drop bears...
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
United Kingdom
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Kyrene
Senior Scribe
South Africa
757 Posts |
Posted - 02 Aug 2021 : 14:29:41
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quote: Originally posted by George Krashos
Saisha Level 20 Poison
Made from ever-rarer Tashlutan herbs, this flavourless, reddish liquid is known as “Hammerlock” for the rigid immobility it causes. It is commonly used by slavers to subdue their prey.
Poison: 38,250 gp Attack: +23 vs. Fortitude; paralyzed (save ends) [see sidebar]. Aftereffect: immobilised (save ends). Special: If this poison is delivered by way of food or drink it makes its first attack 1d4 rounds after its victim consumes it. All saving throws against this poison are made with a -3 penalty.
quote: Originally posted by George Krashos
was left crippled and blind by a malady that defied all attempts to heal it whether by magic or through more mundane medical efforts. Uldrith committed suicide some months afterward, unable to cope with the constant pain that wracked his body, and Wendren was anointed as heir of the Balindre family. Of course none know that Uldrith's malady was as a result of a rare poison, known as "minth" and hailing from the Tashalar which Wendren had a pleasure lass ply on a drunken Uldrith, thereby assuring his succession to the rulership of Telflamm.
Hi George,
Any idea on the 5E stats for "saisha" and (or indeed any for) "minth"?
Edit: Nevermind "saisha," I'll get that from DMsGuild and support you at the same time. Still interested in "minth" though...
Edit: Actually, Talona's Touch (purchased and downloaded thanks) says "Made from plants including maidbane, monk’s pepper and laburnam" instead of the above description. Am I to assume that those plants grow in Tashluta (or the Tashalar since Tashlutan could be the older use of Tashalan as seen in Serpent Kingdoms), and if so perhaps more exclusively by the priests of Talona in the House of Night's Embrace (therefore explaining "ever-rarer")? Personally, I prefer that but can probably live with finding the "ever-rarer" plants in secluded (and hard to get to) pockets of the Tashalar or even the Black or Mhair Jungles. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6667 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2021 : 14:42:46
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Hi Kyrene. I can't confess to any consistency, so my DMs Guild effort differs from what was posted here. I have no problem with the plants in question being more commonly found in the Tashalar or any of the ideas you have. The description is intended to provide campaign immersion and flexibility at the same time. Enjoy.
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Kyrene
Senior Scribe
South Africa
757 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2021 : 17:25:55
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quote: Originally posted by George Krashos
The description is intended to provide campaign immersion and flexibility at the same time. Enjoy.
Thanks for the reply!
In that case, for my upcoming Tashalan campaign, I'm going to interpret Tashlutan as Tashalan, with those three plants formerly having been more abundant in the Tashalar and Jungles, and now rarely found in the wild, but definitely cultivated by the priests of Talona.
Any ideas on the "minth" part of the question? More the lore, since I can take a stab at the stats now that I own your "DMs Guild effort"s as follows: Minth (Ingested). George's awesome lore here. A creature subjected to this poison must succeed on a DC 17 Constitution saving throw or take 7 (2d6) poison damage and become poisoned. The poisoned creature is blinded and must repeat the saving throw every 24 hours. Until this poison ends, the damage the poison deals can’t be healed by any means. Any creature that attempts to end an effect on the creature must succeed on a DC 17 spellcasting ability check or fail. After three successful saving throws, the effects end and the creature can heal normally.
I think that would satisfy "was left crippled and blind by a malady that defied all attempts to heal" while being low enough in damage to not outright kill a commoner NPC. I'd probably price it in line with Bakhalam (another long-duration DC 17 ingested poison). |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6667 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2021 : 06:23:55
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quote: Originally posted by Kyrene
quote: Originally posted by George Krashos
The description is intended to provide campaign immersion and flexibility at the same time. Enjoy.
Thanks for the reply!
In that case, for my upcoming Tashalan campaign, I'm going to interpret Tashlutan as Tashalan, with those three plants formerly having been more abundant in the Tashalar and Jungles, and now rarely found in the wild, but definitely cultivated by the priests of Talona.
Any ideas on the "minth" part of the question? More the lore, since I can take a stab at the stats now that I own your "DMs Guild effort"s as follows: Minth (Ingested). George's awesome lore here. A creature subjected to this poison must succeed on a DC 17 Constitution saving throw or take 7 (2d6) poison damage and become poisoned. The poisoned creature is blinded and must repeat the saving throw every 24 hours. Until this poison ends, the damage the poison deals can’t be healed by any means. Any creature that attempts to end an effect on the creature must succeed on a DC 17 spellcasting ability check or fail. After three successful saving throws, the effects end and the creature can heal normally.
I think that would satisfy "was left crippled and blind by a malady that defied all attempts to heal" while being low enough in damage to not outright kill a commoner NPC. I'd probably price it in line with Bakhalam (another long-duration DC 17 ingested poison).
That all sounds good to me. Didn't realise people paid so much attention to my off the cuff postings. I'll have to be more careful going forward!
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Kyrene
Senior Scribe
South Africa
757 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2021 : 09:52:38
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Or give it proper treatment, along with 19 other unknown poisons, in a third Talona's offering on DMs Guild? You can even use my poor attempt wholesale, and I'll pay you for the privilege. I can twist your arm harder if you want...
At the very least can't I entice you to add a few "off the cuff" sentences of lore for that wicked poison? |
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Lukas Kain
Seeker
USA
60 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2021 : 06:21:35
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That all sounds good to me. Didn't realise people paid so much attention to my off the cuff postings. I'll have to be more careful going forward!
-- George Krashos
George, I type up and cross-reference your musings and print them into a binder for a greater sense of cohesion and seeming-omniscience for my players in my Impiltur campaign. There are more than a few of us that pay great attention to your postings. |
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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
2067 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2021 : 19:13:50
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I, for one, find his complete omission of Realmslore about the demon-worshiping gnomes of Impiltur very frustrating.
--Eric
quote: Originally posted by Lukas Kain
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That all sounds good to me. Didn't realise people paid so much attention to my off the cuff postings. I'll have to be more careful going forward!
-- George Krashos
George, I type up and cross-reference your musings and print them into a binder for a greater sense of cohesion and seeming-omniscience for my players in my Impiltur campaign. There are more than a few of us that pay great attention to your postings.
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TheIriaeban
Master of Realmslore
USA
1289 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2021 : 19:35:15
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quote: Originally posted by ericlboyd
I, for one, find his complete omission of Realmslore about the demon-worshiping gnomes of Impiltur very frustrating.
--Eric
quote: Originally posted by Lukas Kain
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That all sounds good to me. Didn't realise people paid so much attention to my off the cuff postings. I'll have to be more careful going forward!
-- George Krashos
George, I type up and cross-reference your musings and print them into a binder for a greater sense of cohesion and seeming-omniscience for my players in my Impiltur campaign. There are more than a few of us that pay great attention to your postings.
Hah! I had heard about them and wondered who came up with them. That is really devious, George. Having them steal only left shoes so it forces people to walk in circles. To be able to get anywhere they have to hop. I can understand how that would lead to so much murderous rage. Truly, a land of chaos. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36805 Posts |
Posted - 27 Oct 2021 : 05:11:03
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Krash, I seem to recall that a promise was made that we'd see more of the Covenant in the future... Not going to ask about that, though.
I'm tinkering with the idea of an NPC that sympathizes with the goals of the Covenant. He's long-lived enough that he may have been around when the Covenant leaders left the Realms, though I don't think he'll have been a member or even knew of the group at that time. (And he might not be that old; this is still very much in the spitballing phase).
In the mid-1370s timeframe, if a determined person already knew of the Covenant's existence, how much more would that person be able to learn? Where and in what form would such information be found?
I'm assuming most of the information available would be from after the group's demise, journals and memoirs by former members who survived the fighting at the end. Obviously, though, I'd love to hear your take on it. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6667 Posts |
Posted - 28 Oct 2021 : 00:49:59
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Hi Wooly
There would be plenty of sages information about the group in terms of their clashes with the Red Wizards several centuries ago. The actual Tome of the Covenant is extant and as per City of Splendors: Waterdeep, the wizard Savengriff is looking to recreate the group. In terms of what form the information would take, I think it would either be something like an actual tome on the history of the Covenant (likely to be found in a major library in the North or Candlekeep), or alternatively something a bit less expansive such as a diary. Of course the coolest and most dangerous way to get the info might be conversing with the wizard trapped in the crystal ball to be found in the Stag-Horned Flagon in Amphail who may know something or not ...
-- George Krashos |
"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36805 Posts |
Posted - 28 Oct 2021 : 02:05:01
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quote: Originally posted by George Krashos
Hi Wooly
There would be plenty of sages information about the group in terms of their clashes with the Red Wizards several centuries ago. The actual Tome of the Covenant is extant and as per City of Splendors: Waterdeep, the wizard Savengriff is looking to recreate the group. In terms of what form the information would take, I think it would either be something like an actual tome on the history of the Covenant (likely to be found in a major library in the North or Candlekeep), or alternatively something a bit less expansive such as a diary. Of course the coolest and most dangerous way to get the info might be conversing with the wizard trapped in the crystal ball to be found in the Stag-Horned Flagon in Amphail who may know something or not ...
-- George Krashos
Thankee for the info, friend Krash. I knew they were a secretive group, but also figured that word would have eventually spread.
But about that wizard... Were you referring to the one imprisoned by the Weeping Witch, at the Stone Stallion? |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6667 Posts |
Posted - 28 Oct 2021 : 13:15:23
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That's the one.
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"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36805 Posts |
Posted - 28 Oct 2021 : 13:36:18
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quote: Originally posted by George Krashos
That's the one.
-- George Krashos
It's an interesting idea. Given the info in the entry, I think I might have my guy aware of this imprisoned wizard, and trying to figure out how to safely deal with him. This would also involve the Weeping Witch.
At the least, it gives my NPC (who I intend to use more as a sponsor of quests) something else to send people to the area to look into.
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Asharak
Learned Scribe
France
270 Posts |
Posted - 05 Dec 2021 : 20:07:15
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Hi, the Goblin War began in 753 DR, but when did it end ? |
"Soyez réalistes : demandez l'impossible"
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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
2067 Posts |
Posted - 05 Dec 2021 : 21:04:30
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quote: Originally posted by Asharak
Hi, the Goblin War began in 753 DR, but when did it end ?
Started and ended in the same year. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6667 Posts |
Posted - 06 Dec 2021 : 11:49:19
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quote: Originally posted by ericlboyd
quote: Originally posted by Asharak
Hi, the Goblin War began in 753 DR, but when did it end ?
Started and ended in the same year.
Well if THE Eric Boyd says so, it must be true.
-- George Krashos |
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Asharak
Learned Scribe
France
270 Posts |
Posted - 07 Dec 2021 : 20:06:11
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Thank you very much. |
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TheIriaeban
Master of Realmslore
USA
1289 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jan 2022 : 16:43:51
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George, you are listed as a reference on the FRWiki Chondathan language page so I thought I would ask you. I am looking to come with a Chondathan word for Justice's Return or Law's Return and I have been unable to find anything close to justice or law. I am going to use it as the name of the festival that is thrown in Iriaebor to commemorate the city's liberation from the Zhentarim. I figure the day will have some minor similarities with France's Bastille Day. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6667 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jan 2022 : 02:59:42
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quote: Originally posted by TheIriaeban
George, you are listed as a reference on the FRWiki Chondathan language page so I thought I would ask you. I am looking to come with a Chondathan word for Justice's Return or Law's Return and I have been unable to find anything close to justice or law. I am going to use it as the name of the festival that is thrown in Iriaebor to commemorate the city's liberation from the Zhentarim. I figure the day will have some minor similarities with France's Bastille Day.
Well, unofficially law is "immlin", justice is "menlin" and to return is "erdlim", but "erdla" is return as in "he made his return". The word "dul" denotes 'of' or 'belonging to' so 'law's return' would be "immlindul erdla" while 'justice's return' would be "menlindul erdla".
Note that this is all made up so you can do what you like or suits you. I suspect though that Ed would adopt the above and save himself making it up.
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TheIriaeban
Master of Realmslore
USA
1289 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jan 2022 : 17:02:20
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quote: Originally posted by George Krashos
quote: Originally posted by TheIriaeban
George, you are listed as a reference on the FRWiki Chondathan language page so I thought I would ask you. I am looking to come with a Chondathan word for Justice's Return or Law's Return and I have been unable to find anything close to justice or law. I am going to use it as the name of the festival that is thrown in Iriaebor to commemorate the city's liberation from the Zhentarim. I figure the day will have some minor similarities with France's Bastille Day.
Well, unofficially law is "immlin", justice is "menlin" and to return is "erdlim", but "erdla" is return as in "he made his return". The word "dul" denotes 'of' or 'belonging to' so 'law's return' would be "immlindul erdla" while 'justice's return' would be "menlindul erdla".
Note that this is all made up so you can do what you like or suits you. I suspect though that Ed would adopt the above and save himself making it up.
-- George Krashos
Thank you, good sir. There are already 22 yearly festivals so what is one more (that doesn't include the balls and cotillions the rich folk have). I should probably put all those in a list on a page to make it easier to see if something is going on when an adventuring group hits town. |
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Naeryndam
Learned Scribe
USA
115 Posts |
Posted - 15 Feb 2022 : 03:33:07
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Hi George!
I see you listed as having a hand in the Grand History of the Realms. Could you perhaps shed any light on Auseriel, where it is and what it is like? |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6667 Posts |
Posted - 15 Feb 2022 : 22:52:19
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quote: Originally posted by Naeryndam
Hi George!
I see you listed as having a hand in the Grand History of the Realms. Could you perhaps shed any light on Auseriel, where it is and what it is like?
I had input into the entries re Auseriel in GHotR with Eric Boyd only because we were told very late in the piece that Rich Baker had forgotten that the Tree of Souls was there and had planted it in reclaimed Myth Drannor in his novel trilogy. I came up with the idea of the white dragon attack and originally wanted the tree to be wrecked, etc. and a new sapling emerges which is then reclaimed and returned to Evermeet for replanting in Myth Drannor.
In editing the decision was made that the Tree was never actually planted there and the timeline entries you see in GHotR were inserted accordingly.
You have to understand that at the time we were not privy to the impending events of the Spellplague and 4E - this product was written in Feb-April 2007. I found out about the changes at Gen Con in August of that year. Similarly, the timeline entries after 1375 DR (notice how they move away from specific dates) were created by WotC and I was unaware of them until the product was published.
So in relation to your question, I have never detailed Auseriel in any way. No one has officially to my knowledge. WotC used to have a general policy that specific creations of particular authors were "left alone" by other writers. At least mostly. At that time, Elaine was slated to revisit Auseriel in her writing and so it never received any official attention.
Given that Salvatore has now gone with the idea of a good drow city in the frozen North I expect that Auseriel will never be mentioned again by WotC. So the good news is that you have free rein to do what you like with it.
-- George Krashos |
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Naeryndam
Learned Scribe
USA
115 Posts |
Posted - 18 Feb 2022 : 16:09:22
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quote: Originally posted by George Krashos
quote: Originally posted by Naeryndam
Hi George!
I see you listed as having a hand in the Grand History of the Realms. Could you perhaps shed any light on Auseriel, where it is and what it is like?
I had input into the entries re Auseriel in GHotR with Eric Boyd only because we were told very late in the piece that Rich Baker had forgotten that the Tree of Souls was there and had planted it in reclaimed Myth Drannor in his novel trilogy. I came up with the idea of the white dragon attack and originally wanted the tree to be wrecked, etc. and a new sapling emerges which is then reclaimed and returned to Evermeet for replanting in Myth Drannor.
In editing the decision was made that the Tree was never actually planted there and the timeline entries you see in GHotR were inserted accordingly.
You have to understand that at the time we were not privy to the impending events of the Spellplague and 4E - this product was written in Feb-April 2007. I found out about the changes at Gen Con in August of that year. Similarly, the timeline entries after 1375 DR (notice how they move away from specific dates) were created by WotC and I was unaware of them until the product was published.
So in relation to your question, I have never detailed Auseriel in any way. No one has officially to my knowledge. WotC used to have a general policy that specific creations of particular authors were "left alone" by other writers. At least mostly. At that time, Elaine was slated to revisit Auseriel in her writing and so it never received any official attention.
Given that Salvatore has now gone with the idea of a good drow city in the frozen North I expect that Auseriel will never be mentioned again by WotC. So the good news is that you have free rein to do what you like with it.
-- George Krashos
Thanks George! Hmmm, yeah I think I am going to just run with the last thing you said and just make Auseriel my own. I have an elf PC who, for backstory purposes, is trying to flee some very bad and very powerful extra-planars who have just murdered members of his family. I'm looking for a remote and near unknown place for him to disappear to. Evermeet is too well-known, so I was thinking maybe Auseriel? I can always just create something, but I try to keep things as consistent with the lore as I can usually. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
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Posted - 18 Feb 2022 : 18:58:21
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quote: Originally posted by George Krashos So in relation to your question, I have never detailed Auseriel in any way. No one has officially to my knowledge. WotC used to have a general policy that specific creations of particular authors were "left alone" by other writers. At least mostly. At that time, Elaine was slated to revisit Auseriel in her writing and so it never received any official attention.
Given that Salvatore has now gone with the idea of a good drow city in the frozen North I expect that Auseriel will never be mentioned again by WotC. So the good news is that you have free rein to do what you like with it.
-- George Krashos
This is sad to me on so many levels (the main being that Elaine was slated to revisit it and won't now). Part of me also wants to find out what Salvatore is doing with that city for myself, just to try and keep in the know.... but the other part of me doesn't want to read all the novels that I'm still behind in in his series. Think the last one I read they went to Gauntlgrym and found the sleeping primordial. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6667 Posts |
Posted - 18 Feb 2022 : 23:00:00
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quote: Originally posted by sleyvas
quote: Originally posted by George Krashos So in relation to your question, I have never detailed Auseriel in any way. No one has officially to my knowledge. WotC used to have a general policy that specific creations of particular authors were "left alone" by other writers. At least mostly. At that time, Elaine was slated to revisit Auseriel in her writing and so it never received any official attention.
Given that Salvatore has now gone with the idea of a good drow city in the frozen North I expect that Auseriel will never be mentioned again by WotC. So the good news is that you have free rein to do what you like with it.
-- George Krashos
This is sad to me on so many levels (the main being that Elaine was slated to revisit it and won't now). Part of me also wants to find out what Salvatore is doing with that city for myself, just to try and keep in the know.... but the other part of me doesn't want to read all the novels that I'm still behind in in his series. Think the last one I read they went to Gauntlgrym and found the sleeping primordial.
Yeah, Gauntlgrym. Boy, is that a major headache at the moment in terms of trying to reconcile this place in the historical narrative with the various sources. We are many hours in and still going.
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