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Lady Shadowflame
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 Posted - 30 Aug 2011 : 07:52:39
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I avoid the Lady Penitent books like the plague, but is it explicitly stated that every last bit of Eilistraee's essence was walking around in Qilue at that point?
Because if it wasn't... you have your answer. She left a repository of her power somewhere, because she knows her fellow drow deities so well. A last-resort type of thing.
It may have made her not quite as strong in that last confrontation, but it means she's not gone forever - just temporarily. All she needs is to be reawakened. It's very hard to permanently kill a god - they leave echoes behind.
So in the Realms of anyone using the idea, she regains her power gradually, and resumes luring drow away from evil, and canon 4E goes to sit on a rake and bounce. |
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Abenabin Gimblescrew
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Posted - 30 Aug 2011 : 14:55:02
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But a lot of people HATED eilistraee, and good drow... and they were often more vocal on some forums then those who who liked them
My first gaming group I played with (and learned D&D from) hated the idea of playing "good" drow. I tried playing four and all four were killed and called Drizzt clones and I was ridiculed for wanting to play a drow character. They also had absurd ways of how people (just regular surface races) reacted to those characters.
Suffice to say if people are that narrow minded to the point they can't let a race that was previously good that went evil and some try to become good again. Well that just shows how very limited their mind works creatively in my opinion.
No matter what edition I play, if I play another good drow, my character will not accept the death of Eilistraee and simply keep worshiping her like nothing has changed. Afterall, there are still people that worship Bhaal and Myrkul in cults, why not good worshipers to good "dead" gods? |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 30 Aug 2011 : 18:08:42
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I don't know, the resurrection of Eilistraee is such a great campaign hook--one I'm using in my own home game--that it seems unlikely WotC will flat-out address it officially any time soon. Which is not to say it might not happen eventually. I mean, after all, I'm working on the Helm situation. So who knows?
(And anyone who does is likely to throw the NDA flag anyway.)
Better to deal with it however you want in your own game.
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Chosen of Asmodeus
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 30 Aug 2011 : 18:28:34
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 30 Aug 2011 : 18:53:16
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
I don't know, the resurrection of Eilistraee is such a great campaign hook--one I'm using in my own home game--that it seems unlikely WotC will flat-out address it officially any time soon.
I dunno... Having a flock of Manshoons running around was a great campaign hook, and that was officially clamped down almost immediately. The Harper Schism was a great campaign hook, and it was ignored. Other things could have been great campaign hooks (like trying to stop the return of Bane) and those were presented as a done deal. |
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Old Man Harpell
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 30 Aug 2011 : 18:55:54
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Originally posted by Chosen of Asmodeus
Helm's coming back? Awesome. He's one of the few dead gods I actually missed.
Ditto. And I liked your take on the universe's purpose in...uh...the universe. 
Helm coming back will put a smile on many a face (mine included) - I will be eagerly awaiting that.
Abenabin - you are most assuredly not the only one who has experienced a prematurely/pointlessly terminated character for reasons like the ones your game companions gave. It is moments like this that you create a character of an 'acceptable' race and give them a personality/playstyle like "Yo! Whassup, homeboy?"
Most amusing having a ghetto-rapper sun elf or shield dwarf. In the example you gave, no one could claim you were playing any differently than they were, no?  |
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Abenabin Gimblescrew
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Posted - 30 Aug 2011 : 19:53:25
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Originally posted by Old Man Harpell
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Originally posted by Chosen of Asmodeus
Helm's coming back? Awesome. He's one of the few dead gods I actually missed.
Ditto. And I liked your take on the universe's purpose in...uh...the universe.
Helm coming back will put a smile on many a face (mine included) - I will be eagerly awaiting that.
Abenabin - you are most assuredly not the only one who has experienced a prematurely/pointlessly terminated character for reasons like the ones your game companions gave. It is moments like this that you create a character of an 'acceptable' race and give them a personality/playstyle like "Yo! Whassup, homeboy?"
Most amusing having a ghetto-rapper sun elf or shield dwarf. In the example you gave, no one could claim you were playing any differently than they were, no?
*Chuckles* Well the past is the past and I don't play with them anymore. I'll remember that recommendation though for the future if I happen to have a similar crowd.
I would definitely like to see the return of Helm. It would be nice to see the Watcher back at his post again defending Toril and it's denizens.  |
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Chosen of Asmodeus
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 30 Aug 2011 : 21:02:34
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Looking at the Neverwinter campaign setting, this is emphasized for each example. The theme 'Bregan D'Aerthe Spy' is presented as a drow-specific player character option. And as drow have been made available as player characters, and orcs have not (in fact, full orcs are specifically not made to be player characters), this further bears up the arguments in the thread.
Now that I've gotten past my initial disappointment, can we further elaborate on this? The campaign specifically gives you the option to play as a Bregan D'Aerthe spy, but there's no option to work for/support Many-Arrows? |
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Old Man Harpell
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Posted - 30 Aug 2011 : 21:09:40
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
I don't know, the resurrection of Eilistraee is such a great campaign hook--one I'm using in my own home game--that it seems unlikely WotC will flat-out address it officially any time soon.
I dunno... Having a flock of Manshoons running around was a great campaign hook, and that was officially clamped down almost immediately. The Harper Schism was a great campaign hook, and it was ignored. Other things could have been great campaign hooks (like trying to stop the return of Bane) and those were presented as a done deal.
Have to agree with Der Hamster here. There was so much potential just tossed out the window.
One campaign idea I have been using involves a bitter old Drow sorcerer (and ex-Vhaeraunite priest) that the players meet at Feldpost's Inn in Beregost. While his intent is to revive Vhaeraun, it involves several items that are more closely associated with Eilistraee - among them a shard of the Crescent Blade, a vial of the crystallized blood of Halisstra Melarn, and (ew!) the skull of Qilue Veladorn - all of which must be obtained, one at a time, by the players, and all of which will throw up rather interesting challenges.
This not only lets me bring Eilistraee/Qilue back at a time and place of my choosing, it lets me revisit places from Baldur's Gate, and lets me illustrate how they have changed hardly at all over the last century. |
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Old Man Harpell
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Posted - 30 Aug 2011 : 21:20:21
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Originally posted by Chosen of Asmodeus
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Looking at the Neverwinter campaign setting, this is emphasized for each example. The theme 'Bregan D'Aerthe Spy' is presented as a drow-specific player character option. And as drow have been made available as player characters, and orcs have not (in fact, full orcs are specifically not made to be player characters), this further bears up the arguments in the thread.
Now that I've gotten past my initial disappointment, can we further elaborate on this? The campaign specifically gives you the option to play as a Bregan D'Aerthe spy, but there's no option to work for/support Many-Arrows?
I am assuming you are approaching this from the angle of wanting to play a Many-Arrows orc? The short answer is 'no', at least not officially presented in the Neverwinter Campaign Setting book. However, it really wouldn't take much to be able to figure out a way to make it work. Frankly, no more so than any other faction. A Devil's Pawn, a Spellscarred Harbinger, and maybe a couple of others would all work with an orc character. All you need to do is convince your DM to let you play an orc, and explain why. I will listen to any wild idea my players give me in that regard, and if I think it can be made to work, I allow it. I would allow a Many-Arrows orc character, although to be honest, in any sessions I run, they will be among the first to be rolled out of Neverwinter proper. |
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Chosen of Asmodeus
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 30 Aug 2011 : 21:27:02
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| I'm likely not going to be playing a campaign with the source book in question(everything I do is homebrew these days); if I was then I probably would juryrig something to let me play a Many-Arrows half-orc, but that's besides the point. I'm just trying to grasp the why of officially presenting the theme/option of playing the drow spy verse excluding(not precluding, excluding) the option of playing an agent of Many-Arrows. I'm curious as to why one was officially included and the other wasn't, given that both factions would be working for selfish(if mutually exclusive) ends. |
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Old Man Harpell
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Posted - 30 Aug 2011 : 21:50:37
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Originally posted by Chosen of Asmodeus
I'm likely not going to be playing a campaign with the source book in question(everything I do is homebrew these days); if I was then I probably would juryrig something to let me play a Many-Arrows half-orc, but that's besides the point. I'm just trying to grasp the why of officially presenting the theme/option of playing the drow spy verse excluding(not precluding, excluding) the option of playing an agent of Many-Arrows. I'm curious as to why one was officially included and the other wasn't, given that both factions would be working for selfish(if mutually exclusive) ends.
As a guess - orcs do not have the dedicated fan base that drow do, and they don't have selling power. That's why we see supplements with titles like Drow of the Underdark, but are unlikely to see anything like The Orcs of Many-Arrows. I'm not saying it couldn't be an awesome publication that would inspire people to try playing an orc, but I am guessing that Wizbro (and others, like Paizo) will likely stick with what they know will turn a profit.
I could be wrong. I think that if they have the right person doing the writing, they could likely pump out one heck of an Orc supplement. But my guess is that it's unlikely - at best.
Edit: Maybe The Orcs of Thar (a Gazetteer for the D&D word of Mystara) could be modified for Many-Arrows. Just a thought. |
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Chosen of Asmodeus
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 30 Aug 2011 : 22:32:24
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| I can believe orcs don't have drow's selling power(if only because so many people are obsessed with appearance and sex appeal) but that still doesn't change the fact they're underutilizing part of the setting. They went out of there way to make a kingdom of orcs, they need to use it. I'm not asking for a full supplement, but there's a middle ground between that and the barren nothing that they're giving. |
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Azuth
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Posted - 30 Aug 2011 : 22:59:20
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To the topic subject itself, I think it should be said/repeated that Ao could resurrect Eilistraee at any time. Ao has been entirely absent from the official products as far as I can tell, with the brief exception of a line in a book in which he's referenced I'd rather not visit presently. Long story short, Ao could resurrect Eilistraee and/or destroy the entire Pantheon on a whim. As Jim Lowder said to me in one of the threads or in an email chain: new design team, new decade, new direction. (I'm paraphrasing a lot) Ed's playing around with Mystra, Erik is doing so with Helm. I suspect that WoTC is realizing too much change isn't good for the bottom line, but that's entirely my speculation. Also, on the topic of this thread, Ao also decreed that Bane would not be resurrected because of his treason, but he still returned an edition later, so the truth is that Ao is a plot device. I'll be curious to see what happens in 5E Realms.
Cheers,
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 30 Aug 2011 : 23:21:26
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
I don't know, the resurrection of Eilistraee is such a great campaign hook--one I'm using in my own home game--that it seems unlikely WotC will flat-out address it officially any time soon. Which is not to say it might not happen eventually. I mean, after all, I'm working on the Helm situation. So who knows?
(And anyone who does is likely to throw the NDA flag anyway.)
Better to deal with it however you want in your own game.
Cheers
and when the Watcher returns, maybe Lord Helm will tell me where I left that helmite laying around...
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Old Man Harpell
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 30 Aug 2011 : 23:22:14
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Originally posted by Azuth
I suspect that WoTC is realizing too much change isn't good for the bottom line, but that's entirely my speculation.
I can say only that I hope your speculation is also the way things actually are. I don't know what the tone on the Realms is over on the official Wizbro boards (although I think I'll go take a look), but I find myself wondering if there are any similar criticisms to the ones I've seen here and on a couple of others. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 31 Aug 2011 : 03:59:44
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Originally posted by Azuth
To the topic subject itself, I think it should be said/repeated that Ao could resurrect Eilistraee at any time. Ao has been entirely absent from the official products as far as I can tell, with the brief exception of a line in a book in which he's referenced I'd rather not visit presently. Long story short, Ao could resurrect Eilistraee and/or destroy the entire Pantheon on a whim. As Jim Lowder said to me in one of the threads or in an email chain: new design team, new decade, new direction. (I'm paraphrasing a lot) Ed's playing around with Mystra, Erik is doing so with Helm. I suspect that WoTC is realizing too much change isn't good for the bottom line, but that's entirely my speculation. Also, on the topic of this thread, Ao also decreed that Bane would not be resurrected because of his treason, but he still returned an edition later, so the truth is that Ao is a plot device. I'll be curious to see what happens in 5E Realms.
Cheers,
Azuth, TFM.
Ao has pretty much been written out of the 4E Realms. |
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Azuth
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 31 Aug 2011 : 04:06:13
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Ao has pretty much been written out of the 4E Realms.
He has a footnote here and there, and he was a plot device. That being said, it would take..."Aoic efforts" to return the Realms to a semblence of the 3E setting. I'm not saying that will happen, but they just ask Jim Lowder to write an "Ao gets angry" novel and they solve a lot of fan unhappiness. And as I said, the question of this thread is whether or not Ao could return Eilistraee. Without pointing fingers at anyone (I agree with you, Wooly, that's it's generally unfounded and unwise) it seems as if WoTC is going to great efforts to return the "dead" deities, or at least some of them. I will be interested to see what the future holds...and hope that Eilistraee is within it.
Cheers,
Azuth, TFM
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Old Man Harpell
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Posted - 31 Aug 2011 : 05:27:37
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Originally posted by Azuth
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Ao has pretty much been written out of the 4E Realms.
He has a footnote here and there, and he was a plot device. That being said, it would take..."Aoic efforts" to return the Realms to a semblence of the 3E setting. I'm not saying that will happen, but they just ask Jim Lowder to write an "Ao gets angry" novel and they solve a lot of fan unhappiness. And as I said, the question of this thread is whether or not Ao could return Eilistraee. Without pointing fingers at anyone (I agree with you, Wooly, that's it's generally unfounded and unwise) it seems as if WoTC is going to great efforts to return the "dead" deities, or at least some of them. I will be interested to see what the future holds...and hope that Eilistraee is within it.
Cheers,
Azuth, TFM
Bolded my emphasis. They could do that without jeopardizing all the uh...care...and, um...uh *wheeze* thought  that they put into the 100-year time jump.
It might confuse a few people, sure, but that would be more than offset by the tremendous amount of goodwill that we in the Old Guard would feel. And we would be almost all guaranteed to pick up a copy of the novel, plus any supplementing RPG work that accompanied it (for the gamers amongst us).
That said, I don't expect it. The Spellplague and (especially) the 100 years following it are as close to Sony Online Entertainment's 'NGE' for their Star Wars Galaxies MMO that any pen-and-paper game has ever come. And like SOE, I have this rather crestfallen opinion that stubborn pride on Wizbro's part will keep such books and material from ever being written or published.  |
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Troll King
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Posted - 31 Aug 2011 : 12:46:20
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Some of the scenarios offered in this scroll are frightening, indeed!
The 100-year long set of (nearly) blank pages was one of the best things about the 4e Realms, besides, of course, the Spellplague, which was the BEST RSE to date.
Talk about a fantastic way to scour the Realms of all the chafe that had accumulated over the years! 4e and the Spellplague has raised the Realms from a 'dead' setting, (whew, you can almost *smell* grognard when you crack open some of those old books!) to one of exciting new frontiers.
The new focus on maintaining continuity is great for the fans, too. No longer do we have to worry about the left not knowing what the right is doing!
Back on topic. Raising Eilistraee would be *THE WORST* thing for the Realms, hands down. Eilistraee was one of the worst bits of derivative in a setting that is wholly derivative. I mean, c'mon, she's like the *ORIGINAL* Drizz't clone, *WITH* a mini-me Drizz't clone in Qilue!
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Posted - 31 Aug 2011 : 13:00:35
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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 31 Aug 2011 : 17:19:39
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Originally posted by Azuth
As Jim Lowder said to me in one of the threads or in an email chain: new design team, new decade, new direction. (I'm paraphrasing a lot) Ed's playing around with Mystra, Erik is doing so with Helm. I suspect that WoTC is realizing too much change isn't good for the bottom line, but that's entirely my speculation.
Well, what I'm doing with Helm has been in the offing since the beginning of 4e, and it's been all my own initiative (i.e. WotC has not encouraged or discouraged my use of Helm). And it's much more complicated than a simple resurrection of the god.
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Helm's coming back? Awesome. He's one of the few dead gods I actually missed.
Helm coming back will put a smile on many a face (mine included) - I will be eagerly awaiting that.
I would definitely like to see the return of Helm. It would be nice to see the Watcher back at his post again defending Toril and it's denizens.
We'll see. Keep reading. Particularly the climactic chapters of Shadowbane.
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Old Man Harpell
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 31 Aug 2011 : 20:30:31
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Well, what I'm doing with Helm has been in the offing since the beginning of 4e, and it's been all my own initiative (i.e. WotC has not encouraged or discouraged my use of Helm). And it's much more complicated than a simple resurrection of the god.
Not surprising - it's 'freelancers' like you that have been keeping the Realms viable, if I may say such a thing. And please know that we do appreciate it. I think I speak for a solid majority (at least) that we are all looking forward to what you have on the plate.
P.S. Jordanz: There you go using logic again. You'll never get a full-time job at WotC if you keep doing that. |
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Posted - 02 Sep 2011 : 23:25:23
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| At the risk of starting a heated debate, I don't think she ever really "died" to begin with. The last scene of AotL had her simply "disappear" from the sabac game with Lolth, and corellon appeared to take her place at the game. she did not fade, or wither, or even get pulled into a pit of madness like all of the other dead drow gods. she just wasn't there aymore. My personal theory (mentioned over on Chosen of Eilistraee, as OMH might have seen) is that she simply withdrew from the game and hid inside or behind (or whatever) her father. As to the question of whether her FULL essence was inside Quilue- I don't think that is even possible. Mortals attempting to contain a god's essence burn out very quickly, even with just an avatar- even Elmisnter could not hold all of Mystra for long, as an example. So I believe Quilue was merely a conduit for a portion of her pwoer. Perhaps a large part of it, but not all. Considering that it was the MORTAL Quilue who was technically killed with the Crescent Blade, I have a suspicion that Eilistraee is still around somewhere. Just my two bits. |
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Therise
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Posted - 03 Sep 2011 : 00:27:37
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
At the risk of starting a heated debate, I don't think she ever really "died" to begin with. The last scene of AotL had her simply "disappear" from the sabac game with Lolth, and corellon appeared to take her place at the game. she did not fade, or wither, or even get pulled into a pit of madness like all of the other dead drow gods. she just wasn't there aymore. My personal theory (mentioned over on Chosen of Eilistraee, as OMH might have seen) is that she simply withdrew from the game and hid inside or behind (or whatever) her father. As to the question of whether her FULL essence was inside Quilue- I don't think that is even possible. Mortals attempting to contain a god's essence burn out very quickly, even with just an avatar- even Elmisnter could not hold all of Mystra for long, as an example. So I believe Quilue was merely a conduit for a portion of her pwoer. Perhaps a large part of it, but not all. Considering that it was the MORTAL Quilue who was technically killed with the Crescent Blade, I have a suspicion that Eilistraee is still around somewhere. Just my two bits.
I completely agree with this, all of it. Over on WotC I argued the same things back when the final book came out. Eilistraee vanished, but she has yet more to do.
I think she is either hidden/protected by Corellon himself or she's somehow managed to hide herself. From time to time, the moon itself (her symbol) is "hidden" briefly (eclipes, etc).
Qilue is dead, certainly. Some believe that her soul was destroyed by the blade, as Eilistraee's avatar was killed, but I have a strong feeling that Qilue's soul was protected.
I think we may eventually see more of not only Qilue but also Eilistraee, our Masked Lady.
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Old Man Harpell
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Posted - 03 Sep 2011 : 09:58:48
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
At the risk of starting a heated debate, I don't think she ever really "died" to begin with. The last scene of AotL had her simply "disappear" from the sabac game with Lolth, and corellon appeared to take her place at the game. she did not fade, or wither, or even get pulled into a pit of madness like all of the other dead drow gods. she just wasn't there aymore. My personal theory (mentioned over on Chosen of Eilistraee, as OMH might have seen) is that she simply withdrew from the game and hid inside or behind (or whatever) her father. As to the question of whether her FULL essence was inside Quilue- I don't think that is even possible. Mortals attempting to contain a god's essence burn out very quickly, even with just an avatar- even Elminster could not hold all of Mystra for long, as an example. So I believe Quilue was merely a conduit for a portion of her pwoer. Perhaps a large part of it, but not all. Considering that it was the MORTAL Quilue who was technically killed with the Crescent Blade, I have a suspicion that Eilistraee is still around somewhere. Just my two bits.
That is the most logical analysis on the topic I have read - if you made similar observations over on CoE, I did not see it. Then again, I am not a member over there, so that may not be too much of a shock. That, or I am just an unobservant geriatric case.
That gives me quite a bit of new perspective on the issue. It means I have to go back and re-write some of the adventure I had planned for my victims players, sure, but this is one of those rare occasions where I don't mind at all.
The thing of it is - I have never played an Eilistraee-worshipping drow, or even given her much thought prior to the LPT. It just seemed to me that she had gotten an extremely raw deal from the Wizard of Smart who ordered Ms. Smedman to take her out (my wife, who is a huge Eilistraee fan, to the point of having a 'good' dark elf in Everquest II by that name, was absolutely infuriated). I had always been a Vhaeraun aficionado, and while I was bummed when he bit it, his demise at least made some sense.
All that really remains, then, is to bring back Quilue Veladorn - and next to bringing back a goddess, how difficult can that be?
Thank you, Alystra. You have put a contented smile on this (literal) greybeard's 4th Edition-stressed face. 
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sfdragon
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Posted - 03 Sep 2011 : 21:55:34
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I'm not sure she's dead either.
at most, I think she's now the goddess of the whats that city's name elves.( which crunch wise could be considered the dusk elves) or she's an archfey.
we never saw her body.
and the line in the book said Eilistraee lumps over and Feigns death.
look up the word Feign. and corellon said she was gone.
didnt say iirc that she was dead.
but her and Helm were my biggest pet peaves with 4e realms.
that and the next in line is the Lovecraft things.... ick I hate lovecraft's work. not my cup of tea.
it might be best to ignore this rant and move on.... |
why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power
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Old Man Harpell
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Posted - 03 Sep 2011 : 22:18:54
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Originally posted by sfdragon
I'm not sure she's dead either.
at most, I think she's now the goddess of the whats that city's name elves.( which crunch wise could be considered the dusk elves) or she's an archfey.
we never saw her body.
and the line in the book said Eilistraee lumps over and Feigns death.
look up the word Feign. and corellon said she was gone.
didnt say iirc that she was dead.
but her and Helm were my biggest pet peaves with 4e realms.
that and the next in line is the Lovecraft things.... ick I hate lovecraft's work. not my cup of tea.
it might be best to ignore this rant and move on....
Do you mean the Abolethic-whatsis? I admit to not being overly fond of that, either...and Lovecraft is my cup of tea. But it's something I can deal with, because they at least described how it came about, and didn't leave it for us to 'fill in'.
And ESdB is working on the Helm angle...so that will hopefully resolve a 'Points of Light' aberration right there. The Realms are like...Steve Austin. We CAN rebuild it. Wizbro just needs to give us the systems before we pick up our tools and do the fine-tuning. |
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sfdragon
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Posted - 03 Sep 2011 : 22:42:51
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thats one of them, the others are mind flayers in general....
to be wierd though
I like some aberations, just not the chtulu race and tha abolethic soverenty. oh I cant spell it.
back to Eilistraee now |
why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power
My FR fan fiction
Magister's GAmbit
http://steelfiredragon.deviantart.com/gallery/33539234 |
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Any chance Ao resurrects Eilistraee?
