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Arioch
Learned Scribe
Italy
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 Posted - 18 Sep 2008 : 11:32:08
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Hi... this is just for chatting! Nothing too serius or even racist!
What do you think about the immigration of shou people in the Realms?
I hate it! But maybe someone can help me to change my opinion!
I always found that FR setting is more like an "American Far West" transposed in Medieval Fantasy than an "European Medieval Fantasy" world.
(Elves = Native Indians, driven from their ancestral homelands by humans... A LOT of caravans to be protected from bandits... Wild frontiers to be tamed... Towns without law, waiting for wandering heroes... Towns in the wild without walls!)
This vision perhaps changed over the years.
And now returned with the arrival of Shou, a LOT of Shou! (They even had a nation in the middle of nowhere!)
Maybe Wotc is planning a railroad building from Westgate to Waterdeep via Baldur's Gate?
Or maybe it is that in every Post-Apocalyptic world there must be chinese people around (From BladeRunner / CyberPunk on... )
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Edited by - Arioch on 18 Sep 2008 13:19:15
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 18 Sep 2008 : 13:46:19
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| The changes to the realms are brought on by what is popular in our world now (e.g. WoW)....another thing that is quite popular is all the Jet Li/Jackie Chan movies, and movies with the Yakuza in America are regular now (see recent Jet Li/Jason Statham movie) |
Karsite Arcanar (Most Holy Servant of Karsus)
Anauria - Survivor State of Netheril as penned by me:
http://www.dmsguild.com/m/product/172023 |
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Arioch
Learned Scribe
Italy
222 Posts |
Posted - 18 Sep 2008 : 14:33:36
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Interesting...
Thanks for givin me another reason to hate them
Luckily there is no FR version for Chuck Norris! |
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MattDroz
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 18 Sep 2008 : 14:37:44
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Originally posted by Arioch
Interesting...
Thanks for givin me another reason to hate them
Luckily there is no FR version for Chuck Norris!
There's still novels to be published...  |
No matter where you go, there you are. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 18 Sep 2008 : 15:02:14
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Originally posted by Arioch
What do you think about the immigration of shou people in the Realms?
I'm not into the 4E Realms to begin with (if that's what you are talking about), but in my opinion, some immigration makes sense. It doesn't mean all such immigrants should be gangsters or martial artists, though. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
Edited by - Rinonalyrna Fathomlin on 18 Sep 2008 15:03:09 |
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Arioch
Learned Scribe
Italy
222 Posts |
Posted - 18 Sep 2008 : 15:17:16
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I'm not into the 4E Realms to begin with (if that's what you are talking about)
Dear Rinonalyrna,
I noticed this from your previous posts around the forums. I try to be as positive as possible about the new realms, hoping to save something but, the more I read the FRCS and FRPG the more I became disappointed. 100 years jump and no logical in game explanation for major events... But I don't want to rant here
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but in my opinion, some immigration makes sense. It doesn't mean all such immigrants should be gangsters or martial artists, though.
Agreed...
SOME immigration... In Thesk it will be perfectly logic... Even some in Westgate... BUT in LUSKAN there are gangs of yakuza fighting!!
[SARCASTIC MODE ON]
And... a Shou not gangster or martial artist? Useless ... Unless you need Spring Rolls
[SARCASTIC MODE OFF]
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 18 Sep 2008 : 15:21:31
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Originally posted by Arioch
Dear Rinonalyrna,
I noticed this from your previous posts around the forums. I try to be as positive as possible about the new realms, hoping to save something but, the more I read the FRCS and FRPG the more I became disappointed. 100 years jump and no logical in game explanation for major events... But I don't want to rant here
Understandable.
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Agreed...
SOME immigration... In Thesk it will be perfectly logic... Even some in Westgate... BUT in LUSKAN there are gangs of yakuza fighting!!
That is awfully far off, especially in a world that's supposed to be "points of light" (ie. travel is dangerous). |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 18 Sep 2008 : 15:22:52
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| So I wonder if there will be the 4E Oriental Adventures book which would now be fully compatible with Faerun!!! |
Karsite Arcanar (Most Holy Servant of Karsus)
Anauria - Survivor State of Netheril as penned by me:
http://www.dmsguild.com/m/product/172023 |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
3249 Posts |
Posted - 18 Sep 2008 : 15:40:25
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| Actually, there's been pretty active immigration, especially in the Unapproachable East, ever since the Tuigan Horde came through. So, it's pretty natural in areas in the Northeast to see gangsters in the area (think asian immigration in San Francisco in the late 1800's or italian/irish immigration in New York in the early 1900's). |
I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.
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Arioch
Learned Scribe
Italy
222 Posts |
Posted - 18 Sep 2008 : 15:52:33
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Originally posted by Alisttair
So I wonder if there will be the 4E Oriental Adventures book which would now be fully compatible with Faerun!!!
Good question...
... maybe to be politically correct they will put some Chondatan/Damaran/illuskan enclave there
More seriously... I prefer to remember Hengeyokais as a race full of mystery than to see another damage-making oriented race.
Really... why go "Oriental" if we have our share of Shou creature/deities and martial artists in Nathlan. You don't have to travel that far... just 300 miles south of Westgate (10 days, riding a Trihorn Behemoth! * Adv. Valut, page 11 ) to enter a world full of jumping/kicking KI-boosted guys!
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Arioch
Learned Scribe
Italy
222 Posts |
Posted - 18 Sep 2008 : 16:00:07
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
Actually, there's been pretty active immigration, especially in the Unapproachable East, ever since the Tuigan Horde came through. So, it's pretty natural in areas in the Northeast to see gangsters in the area (think asian immigration in San Francisco in the late 1800's or italian/irish immigration in New York in the early 1900's).
Exactly... late 1800 - early 1900... not medieval time, even fantasy one.
My theory about FR - FarWest is still intact. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 18 Sep 2008 : 17:23:01
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| I have a whole 'Kill Bill' style sub-plot going on in the Unapproachable East, complete with O-Ren Ishii (Lucy Lui) and her Crazy 88's. |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3290 Posts |
Posted - 18 Sep 2008 : 17:45:02
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Originally posted by Arioch
Luckily there is no FR version for Chuck Norris!
-Drizzt? 
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"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3290 Posts |
Posted - 18 Sep 2008 : 17:46:08
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Originally posted by Markustay
I have a whole 'Kill Bill' style sub-plot going on in the Unapproachable East, complete with O-Ren Ishii (Lucy Lui) and her Crazy 88's.
-You need to share that Markus! 
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"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
Alaundo of Candlekeep |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
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Arioch
Learned Scribe
Italy
222 Posts |
Posted - 18 Sep 2008 : 19:01:37
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Originally posted by Dagnirion
-When you're looking for someplace to live, you go anywhere that has room. And, later on, those who know you and are looking to do the same thing come and follow.
I'm guessing... what's wrong in Shou Lung to make people emigrate?
Because 1381 DR is the Year of the starving? Or there is an official explanation for this mass movement of people?
Famine? But only in the East... Otherwise also western people should have started emigrating...
Maybe the spell plague is a pest for rice! But the grain, thanks Chauntea, resisted! The price for it was Yondalla, but in the long run...
The Celestial Bureacracy is destroyed/incapacitated by the chaos after spell plague? The Shuo Lung social system is then damaged and the ensuing disorder make people abandon their homeland... Maybe...
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
USA
1618 Posts |
Posted - 19 Sep 2008 : 04:50:41
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
Actually, there's been pretty active immigration, especially in the Unapproachable East, ever since the Tuigan Horde came through. So, it's pretty natural in areas in the Northeast to see gangsters in the area (think asian immigration in San Francisco in the late 1800's or italian/irish immigration in New York in the early 1900's).
Absolutely. the immigration has been taking place for some time in written realms sources, at least back to 2E. 4E did not do this my friends. |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 19 Sep 2008 : 11:32:07
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Originally posted by Markustay
I have a whole 'Kill Bill' style sub-plot going on in the Unapproachable East, complete with O-Ren Ishii (Lucy Lui) and her Crazy 88's.
Complete with Volume 1 gore or Volume 2 story?? (or both?) |
Karsite Arcanar (Most Holy Servant of Karsus)
Anauria - Survivor State of Netheril as penned by me:
http://www.dmsguild.com/m/product/172023 |
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