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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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 Posted - 30 Oct 2008 : 23:22:52
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Watch your mouth Sage... I speak Tluinish. 
Anyway, I decided to take most of the day off (I was playing a very addictive little game called Wizards 101 that I got for my kids <cough>... I swear...)
So my point is I did nothing on anything Realmsian today, but I'm starting right now, so hopefully I can post a finished version of something by late tonight (or more like tomorrow morning for me).
Cheers --- Mark |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 31 Oct 2008 : 05:19:47
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Originally posted by Markustay
I did say I would be completing the Island Kindoms on a seperate Map, but the rest should be done.
 I must have missed that comment. Sorry. 
But I stand by my opinion that those mountains around the south end of the Dock glacier (SW corner area of top half) don't look quite right... unless you've fixed them now. 
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Originally posted by Markustay
Aside from the Issacortae kingdom in the north, the only thing left on the top half is a couple of roads, I think.
The bottom still needs a lot of work, though.
We will be patient... or at least try to do so. I won't make specific off-topic references here, but have you tracked down those aforementioned (in your other recent map discussion scroll by me and others) elusive locations in Faerun for your map? 
[edit] NM... not so off-topic after all; I forgot that we had been discussing the mythal cities earlier in this scroll. Well, still off-topic, but not uniquely so. |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic. |
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UNSpacy
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France
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Posted - 31 Oct 2008 : 12:24:38
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Jakk...are you saying...Eberron is an abomination?
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 31 Oct 2008 : 19:36:38
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Can we get an Umber Hulk to fight the Abomination?
Anyhow, I don't want to get side-tracked with Mythal-clad cities ATM - I lose focus VERY easily, and then NOTHING will get done. I'm dying to re-visit the Hordelands region now that I've read both Sentinspire and Frostfell, but I must restrain myself for kara-Tur's sake.  |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 03 Nov 2008 : 04:58:29
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For those of you who were complaining about the size of the political map (I really wasn't expecting people to try to read the city names on it!), I have put together a higher-res version. That is at 300 - I scanned the four pieces in at 600, but the file size was just too massive to upload (at 300 it took me nearly 15 minutes!)
However, it is still VERY ledgible.
New Kara-Tur Political Map
Now let me get back to working on MY version of the place.... |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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UNSpacy
Seeker
France
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Posted - 03 Nov 2008 : 17:52:56
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Shou Tu Lung?
I thought it was Kuo Te Lung... |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 03 Nov 2008 : 18:08:48
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Thats the ... errrr... old name for it.
The original K-T maps (ALL of them!) were filled with spelling errors, amongst other things, and that name appears on most of the maps, while the other appears everywhere in text. I have a feeling a change was made between the time the maps were ordered and the final draft was complete.
Anyhow, the way I'm spinning it is that was the old name of the city, before it became the capital, and most older maps still reflect the original name.
Hows that? |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 03 Nov 2008 : 20:56:47
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Originally posted by UNSpacy
Jakk...are you saying...Eberron is an abomination?
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Not exactly. I love Eberron, but I think its distinguishing features should stay distinct, and not leech into the Realms and turn the worlds into clones or twins. That's what I mean when I say that the 4e Realms are an Eberration (from the word "aberration"; apologies; I know a lot of our scribes do not have English as a first language, so some of my comments may just be  if English isn't your most fluent language).
I hope this explains my position for you and other scribes who are not first-language English-speakers. |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic. |
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Jakk
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 Nov 2008 : 21:11:31
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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
Thats the ... errrr... old name for it.
The original K-T maps (ALL of them!) were filled with spelling errors, amongst other things, and that name appears on most of the maps, while the other appears everywhere in text. I have a feeling a change was made between the time the maps were ordered and the final draft was complete.
Anyhow, the way I'm spinning it is that was the old name of the city, before it became the capital, and most older maps still reflect the original name.
Hows that?
That works for me; I had wondered about the name discrepancy back in my Kara-Tur days, but had forgotten about it until UNSpacy asked about it here. |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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15724 Posts |
Posted - 04 Nov 2008 : 04:08:15
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I'd agree.
I like Eberron, just like I like Athas and Ravenloft and a few others (and REALLY like Greyhawk), and even Krynn is starting to grow on me.
But everything has it's place, and if WotC's plan is to make everything usable everywhere, then what, exactly, is the point of having different settings in the first place? 
I have added both Shifters and Warforged into my Realms, but that is my choice, and I spun both in such a way that they shoe-horned ncely into existing lore. I don't want to see them officially become part of the Realms, because then all the WotC settings will start to look like generic knock-offs.
Eberron is great for what is is, but it is not the Realms, and the Realms are not Eberron - they have very different flavors and that is the way it should be. |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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UNSpacy
Seeker
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Posted - 04 Nov 2008 : 05:25:42
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| Actually, oddly enough, I was born in Touson, AZ. I'm in France because...well...I want to connect to my ancestral heritage, and I'm here to stay. My mom is American, and my dad is French and Cuban. |
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Jakk
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 Nov 2008 : 18:10:54
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Originally posted by UNSpacy
Actually, oddly enough, I was born in Touson, AZ. I'm in France because...well...I want to connect to my ancestral heritage, and I'm here to stay. My mom is American, and my dad is French and Cuban.
Heh. Yeah, I'm something of a mongrel myself... my mom is Icelandic (her mom) and English (her dad) and my dad is Swedish and Norwegian on his mom's side and English, French and Danish on his dad's side. 
Anyway, back on topic... how are the maps coming, Mark?
I'm off to work soon; being employed again means that patience (and my lack thereof for responses here) is no longer something I have to worry about. Having patience *for* customers is easy for me; having patience *as* a customer is something I have to work a bit harder at. |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 05 Nov 2008 : 19:15:13
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The Map is... coming...
I've been distracted again (first by Dalor's facinating project, and once again by... errr... ummmm... 4eFR...)
Give me a couple of days and I should have a finished version of the North - the only reason I haven't posted one yet is because I found several new locations around the Salt Flats, and I needed to adjust some of the surrounding stuff (the smaller, more detailed maps tend to shift stuff from their locations on the world map, which isn't really all that strange, but does require me to re-work some things here and there).
I also modified the new lakes I added, and I'll probably mod them once again when I get around to the south (They are looking less and less like the Great Lakes with each revision). I also need to move the Rivers in Kuong AGAIN, because the last couple of locales just aren't working out, and will require me to shift some of the ones I've already placed (most of the Malatra stuff is described in relation to its position to other locales, so until most of them are placed, its hard to forsee the discrepencies).
But I am getting there, so bear with me. |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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UNSpacy
Seeker
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Posted - 05 Nov 2008 : 23:56:36
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"I've been distracted again (first by Dalor's facinating project, and once again by... errr... ummmm... 4eFR...) "
lololololololololol
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Razz
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 07 Nov 2008 : 02:02:53
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| Mahasarpa? Sounds very familiar. Isn't that the 3E Oriental Adventures Web Enhancement? Are the two related? Is FR Mahasarpa a more East Indian type setting? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 07 Nov 2008 : 04:09:40
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"Mahasarpa" is indeed the 3e web enhancement for OA.
Tom Costa has previously suggested using the "Mahasarpa" setting to flesh out parts of the Utter East/Five Kingdoms. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 07 Nov 2008 : 05:38:32
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There is a connection between the two that we worked out back in that Utter East thread, sage, and if I ever get around to actually putting all of that wonderful research together into a Netbook people will be able to finally enjoy it.
For those of you who didn't follow the thread - The Mar (of the Ue) first came to Faerūn across the Yehimals (via Langdarma), after the fall of the Kingdom of Tempat Larang. The people of Tempat Larang are themselves refugees from an earlier migration west after the collapse of the Mahanaga Empire (Mahasarpa WE).
All of these peoples are Indianesque, but the Mar are more of an Indo-Aryan culture. Thats mostly Homebrew, BTW, from various Netbook and research projects, many of which I had some very excellent help with. Its all based in canon lore, however, so it doesn't contradict anything. |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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Brimstone
Great Reader
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Posted - 07 Nov 2008 : 05:46:49
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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
Can we get an Umber Hulk to fight the Abomination?
Anyhow, I don't want to get side-tracked with Mythal-clad cities ATM - I lose focus VERY easily, and then NOTHING will get done. I'm dying to re-visit the Hordelands region now that I've read both Sentinspire and Frostfell, but I must restrain myself for kara-Tur's sake.
-Sometimes you remind me of a scattered brained mad scientist Markus! Kinda like old boy from "Back to the Future".
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"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 07 Nov 2008 : 05:58:25
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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
There is a connection between the two that we worked out back in that Utter East thread, sage, and if I ever get around to actually putting all of that wonderful research together into a Netbook people will be able to finaly enjoy it.
"We?" As in you and me, or you and Tom? |
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UNSpacy
Seeker
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Posted - 08 Nov 2008 : 23:05:39
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 08 Nov 2008 : 23:07:32
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Originally posted by UNSpacy
WIP?
-Yes I have always wondered what that means?
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"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 08 Nov 2008 : 23:18:01
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Work-In-Progress.
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Originally posted by The Sage
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
There is a connection between the two that we worked out back in that Utter East thread, sage, and if I ever get around to actually putting all of that wonderful research together into a Netbook people will be able to finaly enjoy it.
"We?" As in you and me, or you and Tom?
Ooopsies...
I meant myself, BadCatMan, Dark Wizard, and whoever else helped with all the fine research done in that thread. You yourself (along with BRJ) also gave a hand there, IIRC, mostly by pointing us in the right direction every now and then.
That particuler 'we' was more aimed at the discussions had by myself and those other two loremasters in regards to connecting everything together (and also avoiding over-connecting everything, which is equally bad). |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
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Posted - 08 Nov 2008 : 23:19:44
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-OK that does make some sense.
BRIMSTONE |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 08 Nov 2008 : 23:33:00
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Still banned, eh? 
You'll find the more you hangout here, the less and less the WotC boards seem relevant. |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 08 Nov 2008 : 23:59:14
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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
Ooopsies...
I meant myself, BadCatMan, Dark Wizard, and whoever else helped with all the fine research done in that thread. You yourself (along with BRJ) also gave a hand there, IIRC, mostly by pointing us in the right direction every now and then.
Ah. For a second there I thought... "Wait, now I know I wanted to help work on the 'Kara-Tur/'Utter East' projects you had running, but I was afraid I wouldn't be able to keep up with any kind of schedules you might have in place. So I didn't offer any direct writing-assistance."  |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Nov 2008 : 03:20:26
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Originally posted by Markustay
Still banned, eh?
You'll find the more you hangout here, the less and less the WotC boards seem relevant.
-Ok just tell the whole world now nitwit! Tomorrow at 8pm my banishment will be done. I feel like I am waiting to get released from the county jail or something.  Actually I think my banishment was very productive. I feel really at home here now so I thank who ever just had to report me over there. Yep I think I will be sticking around here.
-PS you never sent that E-Mail with the map of Westgate. 
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"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 09 Nov 2008 : 04:09:40
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I feel the same way - in the long run they did me a favor; that place is just too swamped in negativity. I come here and I feel good about stuff.
Heck, I'm even feeling good about producing 4e lore - something I thougt I'd never do. |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Nov 2008 : 06:09:03
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| Amazing isn't it? Without the swirling negative nancies like they have on the WotC board, we can discuss 4E lore like sane, rational fans. Even if we never use or accept that lore for our games, we can still appreciate those that 'thunk it up'. |
I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.
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Nerfed2Hell
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 10 Nov 2008 : 21:32:28
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| Do we have to appreciate that? |
Some people are like a slinky... not good for much, but when you push them down the stairs, it makes you smile. |
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Map of Shou Lung?
