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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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 Posted - 17 Oct 2008 : 06:30:32
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With only Faerūn and Kara-Tur its 185MB!
When I flatten all the layers and shrink it down its way smaller, but that sze I posted was the largest it would allow (unless I drop the resolution, which would be counter-productive).
The file is precisely 8' heigh and 12' long, and I once had planned to paint the wall in my playroom with it (which is exactly that size). I suppose my wife may have had one or two good reasons to ask me to leave. 
I really appreciate you studying the maps closely - I'd prefer for people to find all the errors right away, rather then have them float around the Net with the errors on them. I've seen official maps with errors that wound up sticking from one edition to the next, because no one bothered to check the text. A recent good example is the excellent Hordelands article that appeared in issue #349 of Dragon - that map that came with the article mispells Yaļmmunahar!
I can fix any typos you find easily enough, even though most of that stuff is flattened in file already. Heck, if I can remove the names off of all the official mountain ranges, I think a letter or two here or there is cake.
I have nightmares about doing mountains - and the Yehimal Range had just been completed before my big 'mess up', so now I get to do most of them all over.
Joy. 
Anyhow, my lack of attention to 3e rules is not due to any fondness for the 4e ones (and those who know me should know that), but by the same token I have nothing against 4e. I've just lost a lot of my... resolve... to create rules for a system which may turn out to be out-dated. I certainly hope 3e/D20 will be around for years to come - and I applaud Paizo's efforts - but I'm also a realist, and don't want to work very hard on stuff that will never be used.
Right now, I know the maps and geography stuff - along with some history - can be used in ANY edition, so thats where my piorities lie ATM.
LK - if you're going to work on mechanics, you should reference the 1e OA book - I think we could turn the work that Gary Gygax did there into some really splendid 3e rules - the martial arts system was ahead of it's time, and can probably be converted into Feats fairly easily. Let me know if you need anything from it. |
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Darkmeer
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 17 Oct 2008 : 06:55:22
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Thanks Markustay for letting us know how big the map is IF it were to be done in real life. I very much appreciate what you're doing with the maps, and I'm quite happy with everything you've done. It's a heck of an accomplishment.
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UNSpacy
Seeker
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Posted - 17 Oct 2008 : 19:22:56
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...and one step closer to playing a Kara-Tur 4E campaign.
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Jakk
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Oct 2008 : 21:37:40
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Originally posted by Markustay
With only Faerūn and Kara-Tur its 185MB!
When I flatten all the layers and shrink it down its way smaller, but that sze I posted was the largest it would allow (unless I drop the resolution, which would be counter-productive).
The file is precisely 8' heigh and 12' long, and I once had planned to paint the wall in my playroom with it (which is exactly that size). I suppose my wife may have had one or two good reasons to ask me to leave.
 drool... when it's done, can I give you the cost of a blank CD and postage? I understand that you can't take money for the map for legal reasons, but I can at least pay for the media and delivery.
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Originally posted by Markustay
I really appreciate you studying the maps closely - I'd prefer for people to find all the errors right away, rather then have them float around the Net with the errors on them. I've seen official maps with errors that wound up sticking from one edition to the next, because no one bothered to check the text. A recent good example is the excellent Hordelands article that appeared in issue #349 of Dragon - that map that came with the article mispells Yaļmmunahar!
I can fix any typos you find easily enough, even though most of that stuff is flattened in file already. Heck, if I can remove the names off of all the official mountain ranges, I think a letter or two here or there is cake.
My fave published map typo example (not your work) is "Ironfang Deep" on the 2E and 3E maps. There's also the fact that it appears in two places on both the 2E and 3E maps!
[edit]The other things I had mentioned here were already covered in an earlier post, and I didn't want to seem demanding.  [/edit] |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic. |
Edited by - Jakk on 19 Oct 2008 21:53:44 |
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UNSpacy
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Posted - 21 Oct 2008 : 00:14:30
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So Mark, what you're essentially doing right now is trying to make the Faerunian continent more seeable?
Doesn't really matter to me...as long as Kara-Tur is included |
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Jakk
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 Oct 2008 : 05:39:52
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I was just looking through the maps you had posted earlier, and I found Myth Dyraalis on your old Calimshan map; I haven't yet tracked down precise locations for Myth Rhynn and Myth Unnohyr (still working on it).
And now I have something niggling at me that's really starting to irritate me... and no, it's not an NDA. I remember looking at a map of Amn and Tethyr (I'm sure it was yours) and thinking that the name of one of the Hillforts was misspelled... and now I can't find the map, so I'm wondering if I dreamed the whole incident. Anyway, just in case I'm not dreaming, the proper spellings of the three Hillforts are Ishla, Keshla, and Torbold.
RL* has been an unwelcome distraction this afternoon and evening, which is probably why my brain isn't working properly on this phantom typo.
* - edit (Oct 28): I was just looking at this, and at my Strahd profile pic, and I thought I should clarify: that was real life, not Ravenloft, that was the unwelcome distraction... although distinguishing between the two on the original post date might have been a challenge. Things are much better now. 
How is the map coming otherwise? |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic. |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Oct 2008 : 18:01:44
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Originally posted by Jakk
I was just looking through the maps you had posted earlier, and I found Myth Dyraalis on your old Calimshan map; I haven't yet tracked down precise locations for Myth Rhynn and Myth Unnohyr (still working on it).
-Myth Rhynn is located within the Wealdath, almost in it's exact center. Myth Dyraalis is located somewhere in the Forest of Mir, near Myth Dyraalis. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 23 Oct 2008 : 18:51:40
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Originally posted by Dagnirion
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Originally posted by Jakk
I was just looking through the maps you had posted earlier, and I found Myth Dyraalis on your old Calimshan map; I haven't yet tracked down precise locations for Myth Rhynn and Myth Unnohyr (still working on it).
-Myth Rhynn is located within the Wealdath, almost in it's exact center. Myth Dyraalis is located somewhere in the Forest of Mir, near Myth Dyraalis.
Myth Dyraalis is located near itself? Okay! |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Oct 2008 : 20:07:40
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Myth Dyraalis is located near itself? Okay!
-Well, technically, yeah. Where ever you go, there you are, and all that.
-But, what I meant to say was that Myth Dyraalis is located in the Forest of Mir, near Myth Unnohyr. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Oct 2008 : 20:40:21
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Originally posted by Dagnirion
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Myth Dyraalis is located near itself? Okay!
-Well, technically, yeah. Where ever you go, there you are, and all that.
-But, what I meant to say was that Myth Dyraalis is located in the Forest of Mir, near Myth Unnohyr.
Ahhh... another fine student of the good Dr. Banzai. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 24 Oct 2008 : 06:16:58
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Originally posted by Jakk
And now I have something niggling at me that's really starting to irritate me... and no, it's not an NDA. I remember looking at a map of Amn and Tethyr (I'm sure it was yours) and thinking that the name of one of the Hillforts was misspelled... and now I can't find the map, so I'm wondering if I dreamed the whole incident. Anyway, just in case I'm not dreaming, the proper spellings of the three Hillforts are Ishla, Keshla, and Torbold.
So it is... I spelled it Gorbold. 
Nice catch - keep up the good detective work - my eyes (and mind) aren't what they used to be.
I've made some cosmetic changes to some of the mountains while working on my 'blank' map of the region, so I will add the improved terrain and that name fix in tomorrow, and send it off to Alaundo so he can post the corrected verion.
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Originally posted by Jakk
How is the map coming otherwise?
It's coming along - I added a couple more things in the last few days, but I was busy with three other mapping projects mostly (one of which is now complete). I promise to have at least TWO new WIPS up tomorrow. |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 25 Oct 2008 : 05:40:37
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Two newer WIPs of upper and lower K-T. You'll note not much more was done in the north - that's because I think it may be finished!
The lower Map still needs a lot of work - I have to place a few more of the Malatran entries, and the Larang Valley region is pretty bare yet (although I did add to Mahasarpa just a bit more). I also need to fully flesh-out the Jambu Dweepam region - I have lots of little kingdoms planned for the 3e version, with the balance of power being so tenuous that no one country can make a move against any other (as of 1375 DR), and then in 4e 1479 DR something very different.
In fact, outsiders aren't even sure what's going on or who's in charge, but they all know to avoid the place - even the Emperor of Shou. After he sent an Armada south with 100,000 men to take the southern jungles... and never heard from them again, he has given up any ideas to take the place. 
I'll throw a scale on those tomorrow, after I finalize the northern one (hopefully). I posted it in Bmp because I understand the resolution is much better, and folks want to print these, but I think it may be adding a tremendous mount to the download times.
Northern Kara-Tur
Southern Kara-Tur
Let me know if you prefer this, or maybe some other file type (like png., ect). I'm also getting quite a bit of overlap between the two halves, but thats because of the odd shape of the continent - I may have to divide it up even more. |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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UNSpacy
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Posted - 25 Oct 2008 : 20:20:30
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Well the North looks excellent and you did say you would work on the South.
When all this is done however, will you be able to have the maps to where they're readable? When I tried to Copy-Paste the Northern Kara-Tur map to Paint, the size was...too small. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2008 : 20:40:46
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I mentioned in another thread that I only just realized that DeviantART was both resizing my pics and changing them to jpg, so I will be mailing them directly to Alaundo so they can be hosted here in all their High-res glory.
Since this means ALL of maps were way lower quality on DeviantART then I had thought - after all, I certainly never bothered to download them - I will now be mailing newer, betterer versions of all my maps to Alaundo down the road, as they are complete.
My site was really only for WIPS anyway - I had always had the intention of hosting the finished ones here, but I had't thought to E-mail them directly before, being unaware of the resizing issues.
And yeah... I know I said 'betterer'. |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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Jakk
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Oct 2008 : 04:31:42
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Originally posted by Markustay
I mentioned in another thread that I only just realized that DeviantART was both resizing my pics and changing them to jpg, so I will be mailing them directly to Alaundo so they can be hosted here in all their High-res glory.
Since this means ALL of maps were way lower quality on DeviantART then I had thought - after all, I certainly never bothered to download them - I will now be mailing newer, betterer versions of all my maps to Alaundo down the road, as they are complete.
My site was really only for WIPS anyway - I had always had the intention of hosting the finished ones here, but I had't thought to E-mail them directly before, being unaware of the resizing issues.
And yeah... I know I said 'betterer'.
 As I mentioned in the "New Map Series" scroll... sometimes your maps on DeviantART *do* download as BMP files, but I still don't know when, why, how, or what makes the difference. Good to know they're here at the 'Keep... which is where they belong anyway.
I still want a single-file copy of the full finished product. Even if you have to send Alaundo a CD; I'm quite happy to wait for the download. The only problem is, Alaundo might need that new server (or at least a bigger server hard drive) before he can handle that kind of hosting.  |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 27 Oct 2008 : 06:26:00
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| I may do something with it like Paizo did with the Golarion Map, when Aluando gets CK2.0 up and running - a large map that can be 'zoomed-in' to specific regions. I have no idea how to code something like that, but I do so love a challenge. |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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UNSpacy
Seeker
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Posted - 27 Oct 2008 : 22:09:05
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I got the Kara-Tur: Eastern Realms PDF (free!) from a legal site *cough cough*.
Needless to say, I am impressed. Thing is, I can't view the Kara-tur maps thanks to stupid Adobe Reader >.< |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
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Posted - 28 Oct 2008 : 03:40:57
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Originally posted by UNSpacy
Needless to say, I am impressed. Thing is, I can't view the Kara-tur maps thanks to stupid Adobe Reader >.<
-Take screen shots of each "page", paste them in a an art file, be it Photoshop of MS Word, or whatever, align them, and there you go. That's what I did. |
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 28 Oct 2008 : 04:58:13
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Originally posted by Markustay
I may do something with it like Paizo did with the Golarion Map, when Aluando gets CK2.0 up and running - a large map that can be 'zoomed-in' to specific regions. I have no idea how to code something like that, but I do so love a challenge.
It's doable with PDFs; there's a Waterdeep PDF map in the Map Room that allows zooming in and out. You said in an earlier scroll that you didn't have a lot of experience working with PDF files; now might be a good time to start acquiring that experience, if the zoomable map is something you're interested in doing. My desires are simple: I just want a single-file copy of the full-sized finished product, and yes, you told us how big that was. That's part of why I want it.
Btw: I love what you did with the "Sri Lanka" island at the southern tip there. Volcanoes are always cool. |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 29 Oct 2008 : 04:05:14
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Thank You - one of my main goals with these maps is to "interesting-up" certain areas that were considered 'ho-hum' before. I have a Xendrik-like plan for the place, with humongous ruins in the Jungles, and an ancient crumbling 'highway' leading from the mainland across to it (most of which is now under water).
I will be having several newer versions of older maps coming down the pipe over the next few weeks, along with a complete Kara-Tur map very shortly.
I got side-tracked by another interesting project that just grabbed my imagination, and I think everyone will think it was worth putting K-T on the back-burner for a few days. I don't want to give away too much, but it is an entire campaign area ready-to-use, in either 3e or 4e.
Hopefully I will have the finished map of that up tomorrow, with Campaign info soon to follow - and don't worry... I know I take forever with writing projects, so someone else is handling that aspect. |
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UNSpacy
Seeker
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Posted - 30 Oct 2008 : 01:56:12
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THANK YOU---I desperately need a Kara-Tur map. More than one person in my groups are yearning for a campaign in Kara-Tur. Now that I got the sourcebook, all I need now is a certain, awsome map-maker to make his awsome maps
Does anyone have that political map of Kara-Tur in a more...bigger format? Mark, I know you posted it earlier, but it was far too small and I couldn't even read the province names. >.< |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 30 Oct 2008 : 02:49:37
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How's This?
Thats the full-size file - don't bother printing it, though, because by tomorrow I will have added the Kuong, Laothan, and Purang Kingdoms (I added Petan myself, so it should be no problem to further embelish it).
I should have something for everyone interested in the East tomorrow - I finally finished my surprise project, and if you head over to Dalor Darden's Ixinos thread you can see the finished version of that joint-effort. |
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 30 Oct 2008 : 05:37:25
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| Re: "done" status of Northern Kara-Tur: Hold on... first, there's the obvious incompleteness of Wa, etc. up in the northeast corner... and then there are the mountains around the south end of the Dock glacier. But apart from that, yep, it looks done. |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 30 Oct 2008 : 08:16:40
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I did say I would be completing the Island Kindoms on a seperate Map, but the rest should be done.
Aside from the Issacortae kingdom in the north, the only thing left on the top half is a couple of roads, I think.
The bottom still needs a lot of work, though. |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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UNSpacy
Seeker
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Posted - 30 Oct 2008 : 13:05:58
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T**** you.
I still can't see the names of the cities, but then again, like you said, you were gonna fix that with your own maps, right?
Eh. Provinces are still clear now. Thanks again  |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 30 Oct 2008 : 15:17:37
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Originally posted by UNSpacy
T**** you.
I am baffled by the censorship there... |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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UNSpacy
Seeker
France
78 Posts |
Posted - 30 Oct 2008 : 17:34:41
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You know what? To be honest, I completely forgot what that word was. Bless you or something? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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UNSpacy
Seeker
France
78 Posts |
Posted - 30 Oct 2008 : 23:17:15
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I think it censored "Thank".
Hmmm...
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Map of Shou Lung?
