| Author |
 Topic  |
|
warduke
Acolyte
USA
11 Posts |
 Posted - 07 Jul 2003 : 07:50:37
|
Just wondering what the best source was for info on Mind Flayers? Culture, powers, etc.
Thanks
|
Warduke the eternal Warrior. Let the rivers run red. |
|
|
The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jul 2003 : 08:27:46
|
The best answer I can give is an old 2e resource called Monstrous Arcana - The Illithiad (9569), written by Bruce R. Cordell. It is the definitive tome on the Mind Flayer species.
|
Candlekeep Forums Moderator
Candlekeep - The Library of Forgotten Realms Lore
http://www.candlekeep.com -- Candlekeep Forum Code of Conduct
Scribe for the Candlekeep Compendium -- Volume IX now available (Oct 2007)
"So Saith Ed" -- the collected Candlekeep replies of Ed Greenwood
Zhoth'ilam Folio -- The Electronic Misadventures of a Rambling Sage |
Edited by - The Sage on 07 Jul 2003 08:28:56 |
 |
|
|
Lord Rad
Great Reader
United Kingdom
2080 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jul 2003 : 22:22:39
|
| Theres also a d20 publication not long out by Green Ronin, entitled: Unveiled Masters: The Essential Guide to Mind Flayers. I havent read much of it yet but at first glances it looks pretty good. |
Lord Rad
"What? No, I wasn't reading your module. I was just looking at the pictures"
|
|
|
|
The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jul 2003 : 07:46:37
|
I have that one also, although I couldn't comment on it, as I have not read it yet. I am slowly working my way through Fiend Folio at the moment. Rad, from what you have read, does it contradict anything we already know about Mind Flayers in general?.
|
Candlekeep Forums Moderator
Candlekeep - The Library of Forgotten Realms Lore
http://www.candlekeep.com -- Candlekeep Forum Code of Conduct
Scribe for the Candlekeep Compendium -- Volume IX now available (Oct 2007)
"So Saith Ed" -- the collected Candlekeep replies of Ed Greenwood
Zhoth'ilam Folio -- The Electronic Misadventures of a Rambling Sage |
|
|
|
Lord Rad
Great Reader
United Kingdom
2080 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jul 2003 : 16:41:52
|
quote:
Originally posted by Sage of Perth
I have that one also, although I couldn't comment on it, as I have not read it yet. I am slowly working my way through Fiend Folio at the moment. Rad, from what you have read, does it contradict anything we already know about Mind Flayers in general?.
Not at first glances, Sage. I prefer the Illithid in content (its much more graphical with anatomy, gear etc). Like you, ive yet to go through it properly. |
Lord Rad
"What? No, I wasn't reading your module. I was just looking at the pictures"
|
|
|
|
The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
|
|
branmakmuffin
Senior Scribe
USA
428 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jul 2003 : 19:53:37
|
I put a lot links to SVGames.com not because I have any vested interest, but to let people know they can still get old 1e and 2e stuff if they want to.
Monstrous Arcana - The Illithiad |
Edited by - branmakmuffin on 09 Jul 2003 19:54:25 |
|
|
|
warduke
Acolyte
USA
11 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jul 2003 : 00:00:41
|
| I'm going to try to get the illithiad from Ebay. I'm planning on setting up a Mind Flayer vs. Githyanki vs. Drow conflict with the party getting caught up in the middle of it. I ran a campaign that involved the Githyanki many years ago and I think its time to bring them back. Thanks for the suggestions. |
Warduke the eternal Warrior. Let the rivers run red. |
|
|
|
The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jul 2003 : 11:06:30
|
That sounds interesting. I like to hear more about this plan, if you are willing to post it here. Githyanki and Mind Flayers are two of my favorite monstrous creatures.
Although I think I would use the Githzerai instead of the Drow since they already have a running grudge with the other two races, and will make your plan easier to design and incorporate into a campaign.
|
Candlekeep Forums Moderator
Candlekeep - The Library of Forgotten Realms Lore
http://www.candlekeep.com -- Candlekeep Forum Code of Conduct
Scribe for the Candlekeep Compendium -- Volume IX now available (Oct 2007)
"So Saith Ed" -- the collected Candlekeep replies of Ed Greenwood
Zhoth'ilam Folio -- The Electronic Misadventures of a Rambling Sage |
|
|
|
Edain Shadowstar
Senior Scribe
USA
455 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jul 2003 : 18:09:54
|
| I would hazard that most planar creatures (i.e. githyanki, githzerai, ect.) are just really cool. Most things that are not native to the Prime are so much fun, largely because they're so very weird, usually. I'm sorry but whoever thought up a creature that eats brains and reads minds should get a freaking medal. |
Edain Shadowstar
Archwizard of Rel Astra and Waterdeep
"Mmm…pie…"
- Gaius Solarian, Captain General |
|
|
|
Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
1287 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jul 2003 : 00:01:46
|
quote:
Originally posted by Edain Shadowstar
I would hazard that most planar creatures (i.e. githyanki, githzerai, ect.) are just really cool. Most things that are not native to the Prime are so much fun, largely because they're so very weird, usually. I'm sorry but whoever thought up a creature that eats brains and reads minds should get a freaking medal.
AND Looks like a SQUID!!!!! Don't forget that! It can be a Star on the medal ribbon!
|
A wizard is Never late Frodo Baggins. Nor is he Early. A wizard arrives precisely when he means to... |
|
|
|
warduke
Acolyte
USA
11 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jul 2003 : 00:19:45
|
There is a possibility of the Githzerai getting into the campaign. At some point the party will have the option to seek out their "help." A little background on my party first. The players are all inexperienced young people including my son who's 11 yrs old. The age range is 11 to about 14. They've all read the books about the Drow. To them the Drow are the ultimate evil in the FR universe. They have no idea of Githyanki or much knowledge of Mind Flayers, so they will be in for quite a surprise. The plan is for them to discover a once magically hidden Drow city where the Drow they will find have been slaughtered to the last man. As they complete the current mission of rescuing a kidnapped princess they'll encounter more signs of a sweeping but unseen force thats running roughshod over the land. By the time they return to their homebase in Sembia a Githyanki invasion will be in full force. They plan to setup a Githyanki empire on the Material plane and to crush a long hidden Mind Flayer hold deep within the Thunder Peaks. People are dying, high level NPC's are dissapearing or dropping like flies, their little world has been turned upside down and just when it can't get any worse.....the Drow have come for revenge  |
Warduke the eternal Warrior. Let the rivers run red. |
|
|
|
The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
|
|
The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jul 2003 : 02:24:43
|
It is an interesting idea though. I like to hear more about some of the adventures - when you begin - if you wish to post them here at Candlekeep. They would make a great reference for those wishing to use such races in their campaigns.
|
Candlekeep Forums Moderator
Candlekeep - The Library of Forgotten Realms Lore
http://www.candlekeep.com -- Candlekeep Forum Code of Conduct
Scribe for the Candlekeep Compendium -- Volume IX now available (Oct 2007)
"So Saith Ed" -- the collected Candlekeep replies of Ed Greenwood
Zhoth'ilam Folio -- The Electronic Misadventures of a Rambling Sage |
|
|
|
The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jul 2003 : 02:32:16
|
I forgot to say, you should probably also try to locate a Planescape accessory called "A Guide to the Astral Plane" (2625). It has a lot of important reference material on the Githyanki race as a whole. I think it also details alot about their background history with the Illithids, although it has been a long time since I read it, so maybe I am mistaken on that part. It is a good accessory for all things Githyanki though.
|
Candlekeep Forums Moderator
Candlekeep - The Library of Forgotten Realms Lore
http://www.candlekeep.com -- Candlekeep Forum Code of Conduct
Scribe for the Candlekeep Compendium -- Volume IX now available (Oct 2007)
"So Saith Ed" -- the collected Candlekeep replies of Ed Greenwood
Zhoth'ilam Folio -- The Electronic Misadventures of a Rambling Sage |
|
|
|
Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jul 2003 : 07:38:20
|
| I wouldn't say epic, but it does sound a bit too high-level for a group of inexperienced players. I think I wouldn't want that as my first (or second) campaign. Not unless I were the only inexperienced one there. |
Hell hath no fury like all of Candlekeep rising in defense of one of its own.
Download the brickfilm masterpiece by Leftfield Studios! See this page for more. |
|
|
|
The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
|
|
Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jul 2003 : 08:10:28
|
| It sounds more like a homebrewed campaign, though. |
Hell hath no fury like all of Candlekeep rising in defense of one of its own.
Download the brickfilm masterpiece by Leftfield Studios! See this page for more. |
|
|
|
warduke
Acolyte
USA
11 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jul 2003 : 22:06:51
|
| I'm confident in these guys that by the time they finish their rescue mission which will take them deep into Amn they will have gained both the levels and the experience to hold their own. |
Warduke the eternal Warrior. Let the rivers run red. |
|
|
|
Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jul 2003 : 11:21:32
|
| What levels would those be? |
Hell hath no fury like all of Candlekeep rising in defense of one of its own.
Download the brickfilm masterpiece by Leftfield Studios! See this page for more. |
|
|
|
The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
|
|
Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jul 2003 : 13:44:41
|
| He said they're rescuing a kidnaped princess. |
Hell hath no fury like all of Candlekeep rising in defense of one of its own.
Download the brickfilm masterpiece by Leftfield Studios! See this page for more. |
|
|
|
The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
|
|
warduke
Acolyte
USA
11 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jul 2003 : 00:42:49
|
| they're headed to Riatavin right now on the trail of on Annihilus Blackheart. A one time allie of the King, Blackheart was corupted years ago by the spirit of an evil sword he now carries with him. So twisted now that his very appearence is altered to reflect that of the spirit of the cursed weapon. They believe that the man behind the kidnapping is a Baron Shanticlear a Wizard and slave trader originally from Luskin who had a run in with the King years ago when he(the King) was an adventurer. This is partially true as the Baron is involved, but the real power behind it all is the King's bastard son Eric born many years ago who plots to take the throne by means of extortion or worse. I won't throw anything too heavy at them until they've made 3rd level. Though they did run into a couple of Githyanki already. A scouting party that was pretty low level. They actually made pretty easy work of them and smartly tossed one of the dead bodies into their wagon to see if somone could identify it as they have no idea what they are. Speaking of the wagon. They were pretty clever and more knowledgeable about the realms then I suspected. Before passing through Cormyr the thief heisted a wagon and has them all disguised as merchants knowing that adventurers are somwhat frowned on in that country. |
Warduke the eternal Warrior. Let the rivers run red. |
|
|
|
The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
|
|
Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jul 2003 : 11:53:39
|
| Third level? I would have thought, from the other things you've mentioned, that they'd have to be higher. |
Hell hath no fury like all of Candlekeep rising in defense of one of its own.
Download the brickfilm masterpiece by Leftfield Studios! See this page for more. |
|
|
|
The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
|
|
warduke
Acolyte
USA
11 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jul 2003 : 22:03:08
|
They seem to be doing fine so far. They have the princess bodyguard a very large, very angry Minotaur along to help them out as well as an NPC mercenary they hired to accompany them. The back story on the Minotaur is pretty good, but telling it here would probably get us way off topic.  I would add that dispite the low levels of the party, I feel it actually adds to the story in that young characters are involved in somthing of a grand and epic scale. I've always been a DM who believes in story first and rules and mechanics second. So far the story we've been spinning has been awesome! |
Warduke the eternal Warrior. Let the rivers run red. |
|
|
|
William of Waterdeep
Senior Scribe
USA
829 Posts |
Posted - 16 Sep 2003 : 06:30:10
|
http://www.planewalker.com/loz/index.shtml
Warduke,See "Legacy of Zerthimon"
If you haven't ever been to this site it has some interesting stories,stats,check out the Gith'ilid and others under Miscellaneous,I don't know how offical this stuff is as
its linked to the Planescape site that Sage warned me not to take literally until PS 3eCS comes out. Some of it is fun to read though and it mentions all the races you guys spoke of.
 |
Courage isn't the lack of fear but rather believing in and doing what you know is right even though fear is present.
|
|
|
|
The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 16 Sep 2003 : 08:20:56
|
The Legacy of Zerthimon is considered canon. In fact there is a large amount of material (not yet presented on PS3e.com) that deals with this. Some of it was developed directly from the Torment game, while the rest was created by fans. I have several of these 'juicy' files on my HD.
|
Candlekeep Forums Moderator
Candlekeep - The Library of Forgotten Realms Lore
http://www.candlekeep.com -- Candlekeep Forum Code of Conduct
Scribe for the Candlekeep Compendium -- Volume IX now available (Oct 2007)
"So Saith Ed" -- the collected Candlekeep replies of Ed Greenwood
Zhoth'ilam Folio -- The Electronic Misadventures of a Rambling Sage |
Edited by - The Sage on 16 Sep 2003 08:21:39 |
|
|
|
William of Waterdeep
Senior Scribe
USA
829 Posts |
Posted - 16 Sep 2003 : 08:50:42
|
quote:
Originally posted by Sage of Perth
The Legacy of Zerthimon is considered canon. In fact there is a large amount of material (not yet presented on PS3e.com) that deals with this. Some of it was developed directly from the Torment game, while the rest was created by fans. I have several of these 'juicy' files on my HD.
Sage,
I'm glad you said this,I wasn't for sure! I was worried about the Gith'ilid, I had never seen or read about them.
|
Courage isn't the lack of fear but rather believing in and doing what you know is right even though fear is present.
|
|
|
|
Topic |
|
Mind Flayers
