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Theophilus
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Posted - 11 Jul 2008 :  05:20:38  Show Profile  Visit Theophilus's Homepage Send Theophilus a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Hi,
I've been reading the FR novels chronologically since 87 (I'm in 96 now) with a few exceptions. One of the interesting things I've noted is that in most of these novels there has been little written concerning Dwarves or with Dwarven protagonists/main characters in the novels and when these are included they are often IMO stereotyped. Does anyone have any thoughts on why this might be? Are there any particularly good novels with Dwarves which readers recommend?

Kyrene
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Posted - 11 Jul 2008 :  06:17:01  Show Profile  Visit Kyrene's Homepage Send Kyrene a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Crypt of the Moaning Diamond must have one of the most lovable and interesting dwarven characters in it. I highly recommend that novel.

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The Sage
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Posted - 11 Jul 2008 :  06:46:29  Show Profile Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Rich Baker said:-

"I'd be happy to write about dwarves, but I think it would be a tough sell to much of our audience (and I know our book editors would be pretty shaky on supporting such a notion). We think that most of our readers just aren't that interested in dwarf protagonists in a story. I don't know why that is -- they're fine as supporting characters. But they just don't seem to have the same "starring role" capacity that humans or elves (or drow!) do."

...

My impression is this is inferred from market research rather than known directly. I'm sure there's truth in it, though I don't think dwarves are harder for us to relate to than elves -- maybe harder to aspire to. [But why would Realms readers be less receptive to dwarf novels than DRAGONLANCE readers?]

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Theophilus
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Posted - 11 Jul 2008 :  07:09:09  Show Profile  Visit Theophilus's Homepage Send Theophilus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

Rich Baker said:-

"I'd be happy to write about dwarves, but I think it would be a tough sell to much of our audience (and I know our book editors would be pretty shaky on supporting such a notion). We think that most of our readers just aren't that interested in dwarf protagonists in a story. I don't know why that is -- they're fine as supporting characters. But they just don't seem to have the same "starring role" capacity that humans or elves (or drow!) do."

...

My impression is this is inferred from market research rather than known directly. I'm sure there's truth in it, though I don't think dwarves are harder for us to relate to than elves -- maybe harder to aspire to. [But why would Realms readers be less receptive to dwarf novels than DRAGONLANCE readers?]




Sage - I was thinking the exact same thing about your last point. It's struck me as really odd that the FR setting seems to have very little (IMO) sympathy for Dwarves as a whole. Its a shame to be honest.

(In saying that, the "Dwarves Deep" product was particularly good but its the only product that I know of.)
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Jorkens
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Posted - 11 Jul 2008 :  10:37:31  Show Profile Send Jorkens a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I would go for Dragonlance books if I were to read about dwarves. As you say, they have gotten little attention in Realms books and even less as time has passed. Not sexy and romantic enough (at least from a publisher point of view) would be my guess. But then again, what do I know.

And dwarven ladies have beards, just so it has been said.
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MerrikCale
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Posted - 12 Jul 2008 :  04:04:22  Show Profile  Visit MerrikCale's Homepage Send MerrikCale a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Jimbobx
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Posted - 12 Jul 2008 :  10:09:59  Show Profile Send Jimbobx a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 13 Jul 2008 :  04:03:59  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kyrene

Crypt of the Moaning Diamond must have one of the most lovable and interesting dwarven characters in it. I highly recommend that novel.



I second this recommendation.

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MerrikCale
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quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

quote:
Originally posted by Kyrene

Crypt of the Moaning Diamond must have one of the most lovable and interesting dwarven characters in it. I highly recommend that novel.



I second this recommendation.



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Aulduron
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Posted - 17 Jul 2008 :  21:33:39  Show Profile Send Aulduron a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I thought RAS did a wonderful job with Dwarves in his last series. Their sense of honor, camaraderie, and self sacrifice nearly brought tears to my eyes, many times.

I would rush right out and buy books about Dwarven clans, especially in ancient history.

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