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Patrakis
Learned Scribe
Canada
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 Posted - 12 Sep 2008 : 16:38:21
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Thank you Jakk and be sure that at least i, will be mapping in the real realms for years to come.
And i still draw almost every day to try and advance it as fast as i can. The next version will be a bit longer to complete as i am in the process of adding text and implement the 3d effects.
As i am experimenting a lot with cartography technics, it takes a bit longer to achieve presentable results :)
Thanks again.
Pat |
Dancing is like standing still, but faster.
My site: http://www.patoumonde.com |
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Neil
Learned Scribe
Canada
107 Posts |
Posted - 12 Sep 2008 : 16:55:57
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| Very nice maps. The game that we're playing right now has been slowing squeezing our maps down to 3e. The territory around southern Mulhorand has gotten really squeezed down, to the point where Veldorn is hardly there anymore, and the Trade Way between the Great Vale and Durpar is a tight fit. |
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 16 Sep 2008 : 22:26:57
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A couple of questions...
First, where is the available information regarding Anchorome and Katashaka? I'm guessing there's not a lot of it, or I wouldn't need to ask...
Second, does anyone have a detailed map of the High Forest with all the fun locations (Dungeon of the Ruins, Dungeon of Death, Stronghold of the Nine, Ruins of Hellgate Keep, etc.) included?
Third (and related to #2), how much information is there on the Star Mounts? I know there's an NDA in place, but I'd like to think that the 100-year jump will invalidate some of these older NDAs... and that Wizards will update them accordingly... yeah, I know, I'm dreaming. ;-) It's just that it seems like the more NDAs are in place on a region, the less likely we are to see published material. The Star Mounts and the pyramids under Ascore are prime examples of this... :-P |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 16 Sep 2008 : 23:09:43
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THIS Silver Marches Map should have whatever you need.
For a smaller, printer-friendly version, there is a four-parter of that in the Maproom HERE at the Keep.
Enjoy --- Mark |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 17 Sep 2008 : 09:00:26
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I also have a labor-of-love map of Katashaka in the works - its basically an adaption of the Nyambe Map applied to the outline of the continent from the FRCS.
I was going to start Maztica a few months back... but now I don't know if I'll bother. 
Anchorome is a LONG way off.....
Where (apart from the outline-only download map of Abeir-Toril available on this site) is there geographical information regarding Katashaka and Anchorome? And without such information, how will either of you (Pat or Mark) detail the geography? Just wondering... because I'd like to find those sources too, if they exist.
EDIT: And yes, I know I asked this question two posts ago... It's late, and I'm tired. Going to get some sleep now.
Thanks in advance to anybody who can answer!
EDIT again: Thanks Markustay for the map link! And people wonder why I never get tired of campaigning in the North... sheesh... Hellgate Keep was just the tip of the iceberg, but I still miss it. I have plans for it in my revised timeline, however... >:-) |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic. |
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 27 Sep 2008 : 00:23:08
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*bump*
I'm still looking for those sources for Katashaka, Anchorome, et al... I found a miniature world map of Toril with relief filled in for the southeastern continent, SE of Kara-Tur and *way* E of Zakhara... but I don't know which one that is, or where the geographical information came from... can anybody point me in the right direction?
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Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 27 Sep 2008 : 00:37:39
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Originally posted by Jakk
*bump*
I'm still looking for those sources for Katashaka, Anchorome, et al... I found a miniature world map of Toril with relief filled in for the southeastern continent, SE of Kara-Tur and *way* E of Zakhara... but I don't know which one that is, or where the geographical information came from... can anybody point me in the right direction?
Thanks in advance
Katashaka was featured in one of Brian James' articles for the Candlekeep Compendium. Inside, you'll find some lore about this dark continent located southwest of Faerűn.
As for Anchorome... there's been little official information published about the region. We do have some brief notes on Ed's original working of Anchorome -
"Plan before you play" (Dragon #63):
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If a DM lacks the time or the confidence to work out a detailed social situation, or wishes to utilize commercial modules when placing them in his existing world would disrupt affairs greatly, the “Anchorome campaign” is a solution.
This campaign, named for a legendary island far over the sea to the west, further from the mainland than most sailors ever dare to go, is simplicity itself. The party is provided with — hired, conscripted, ordered, or bequeathed — a ship. This vessel (if properly maintained) is adequate for them to live on, and to carry a respectable amount of trade cargo. Due to the menace of pirates or warships, or because of a storm, or because rumors of treasure are eagerly followed by the party, the ship is sent off the normal trade routes into the unknown.
Play can include a single voyage, like that of C. S. Lewis’s Dawn Treader, or (like the owners of a Traveller free trader) the party can carry on voyages for many years, concerned with trade, continually provisioning and maintaining the ship, avoiding seizure and shipwreck, and so on.
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Forgotten Realms Adventures p. 77:
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The city is named for the legendary seafaring explorer Balduran, who long ago sailed past Evermeet in search of the rich, fabled isles of Anchorome (pronounced "Ang-kor-OH-may"). Balduran returned with tales of strange, vast lands across the seas.
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Ed Greenwood from the Forgotten Times #1 interview (1999):
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Or why not pile aboard a leaky boat and do the Anchorome campaign thing, from my early Realms days? Either seek to find, explore, and win some loot from a new continent, or be forced into an epic voyage by storms that drive the ship (leaking and with breaking masts, etc.) from uncharted island to uncharted island, each one holding an adventure (ruins, active inhabitants, etc.)?
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The Hooded One at Candlekeep:
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Anchorome began with PC adventurers aboard a ship, driven they-knew-not-where by a furious storm. De-masted and a-drift, they wind up beached on an unknown island... with ruins (a 'dungeon') on it. In order to have time to cut down trees and rig a new mast, chink the leaks in the hull and refloat the ship, etc., they must fight the monsters inhabiting the isle (in one case, a lich in his tower). Then they set sail - - straight into ANOTHER storm that drives them onto another island (lather, rinse, repeat).
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-- As I see it, the loss of Ed's Anchorome is just one reason why Maztica was a bad idea.
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Patrakis
Learned Scribe
Canada
256 Posts |
Posted - 27 Sep 2008 : 01:48:16
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Concerning the undiscovered countries of Toril, i will propose my own geography of those lands based on what we can gather from various ressources. Thanks Sage for those by the way. It's all i can promise.
I had to step away from my world map a bit to make a map of Wheloon that is a little bit more detailed than what we have so far. Since my new campaign goes through the Cormyr-Shadowdale-Anauroch trilogy, i'm maping elements in that region.
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Dancing is like standing still, but faster.
My site: http://www.patoumonde.com |
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
2165 Posts |
Posted - 27 Sep 2008 : 02:58:32
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| I really wish I could find the source of that WIP map I have. As I understand it, Katashaka is the continent to the south of Maztica and Anchorome is (now) the continent to the north of Maztica, correct? They should have done to Maztica what they did to Chondath, Chessenta, and Unther, left the general geography alone, and changed next to nothing else in Faerun apart from bringing back Netheril and going along with a variety of other political changes that were brewing. The physical geography got f***ed up enough in the shift from 1E/2E to 3E, and that with *no* RSE. It doesn't need anything further in that department. Anyway, just my thoughts on an unnecessary RSE for an unnecessary edition. |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 27 Sep 2008 : 06:36:34
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Considering how 'returned Abeir' has the same basic shape as Maztizca did, and its about the same size, I really don't understand the change AT ALL. <we need a 'head-scratching' smiley>
And considering how 'undiscovered' most of it was, the primordials and even a couple of dragon-run locales could have easily fit into what was there without much of a fuss.
Just one of MANY bizarre decisions made with 4e. |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
2165 Posts |
Posted - 27 Sep 2008 : 09:32:59
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Yep. Just one of MANY insightful observations showing that you are, indeed, NostraMarkus. 
EDIT: Just in case that came off as being sarcastic. Seriously: WotC could do a lot worse than to hire you, either for cartography or for customer relations. Yes, I'm still being serious. But you're spot-on about the customer only being right if they vote with their wallet, and from the sounds of things, those votes are going in the favor of Wizbro... but I haven't seen any hard numbers to confirm or deny this.
Not to sound impatient or anything, and I know you have a lot of things to redo after the computer snafu, not to mention a life outside of Candlekeep and Torilian cartography, but do you have anything in the way of an update for us? That's all; I'll shut up and try to be patient now.  Good things are always worth waiting for.
(Thank you, HawkinsTheDM, for telling it like it is and giving Markustay such a brilliant nickname.) |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 16 Nov 2008 : 21:57:26
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Bump...
Just wondering how things were going.
Also, the link to the spinning globe is broken - I thought that was really cool and I wanted to view it again. |
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Patrakis
Learned Scribe
Canada
256 Posts |
Posted - 17 Nov 2008 : 02:13:20
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Oh, and a good thing that you did.
I just completely changed my web presence and all my old link went out the door. The map in on Picasa now.
Does this link work? http://patoumonde.com/picturepro//albums/userpics/10001/Toril_Topo_3.pdf
I'm haveing a hard time posting a decent sized map too.
As for advancement on the map .. . Sorry to say i haven't worked on it much lately. I worled on the Wheloon map but i'm having a hard time finding free moments for maping.
I'm flatered by your interest though.
Next on the list is maztika and after that..i'm mapping the unknown continents after that.
Pat |
Dancing is like standing still, but faster.
My site: http://www.patoumonde.com |
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eridanis
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 17 Nov 2008 : 20:10:33
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jan 2009 : 17:31:54
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Bumpity bump-bump.
I'm just re-doing the northern coast of Faerűn ATM (since I lost all of it awhile back), and I was going to use yours as a an outline to trace - since it matches the canon one from the FRIA and the FRCS far more accurately then my original did.
However, your new website on Picasa only allows for small thumbnails? 
I can still use that, since I'm only looking for a coastal outline, but I could have sworn you had higher-res ones up at first.
Anyway, I'm just hoping you continue with this project - so many people are losing interest in FR thse days, and I think having good maps to use goes a long way in keeping people's interst.
Cheers ---- Mark |
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Patrakis
Learned Scribe
Canada
256 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jan 2009 : 05:15:07
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Hi Mark,
I've experienced some serious health issues over the last 2 months and the mapping side of my life took a serious dive also.
As for Picasa, it didn't work that great for me so a moved yet again my maps to another site and will bring them up online shortly. I'll be sure to hail ya and let you know.
As for losing interest in FR ... NEVER! 4E was a god send after all... It made me go back to all the old stuff and i'm having a ball re reading the material all over again.
Stay tuned :)
PAt |
Dancing is like standing still, but faster.
My site: http://www.patoumonde.com |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jan 2009 : 21:28:21
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Glad to hear you're falling in love with the Realms all over again (I do the same... everyday).
But I am sorry to hear about your health problems. I myself am now on permanent disability (along with the inadequate fixed-income), so I know what thats like.
Take care of yourself first, and worry about mapping when you're better.
--- Mark
Edit: Someone over at the WotC site thought that Toril was flat (because the map is flat!), so I wanted to show him your wonderful spinning globe... but it's gone. Maybe you could just re-post that somewhere as well... I shoul dhave 'grebbed' a copy when I had the chance.
Edit2 Nevermind - I did save a copy of it - I hope you don't mind, but I posted it at Photobucket just to show that person - I'll take it off ASAP if you want. |
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Patrakis
Learned Scribe
Canada
256 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jan 2009 : 03:21:54
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Please don't take it off Mark. I'm happy to share that nice little toy and feel free to share it.
As for my maps, i'll have all available soon. Promise :)
Thanks
Pat (who's fingers are dying to do some maps again :)) |
Dancing is like standing still, but faster.
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jan 2009 : 13:55:45
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Funny thing is, that was another case of players knowing more about the setting then the DM (or at least, pretending to know more). One of the guy's players INSISTED Toril was flat, and they were on a ship, and he told his DM that he could sail off the edge to another world.
Your globe was an excellent demonstartion of just how wrong he was.
I told him to tell his player he wasn't Jack Sparrow.  |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 13 Jan 2009 : 18:11:26
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Originally posted by Markustay
Edit: Someone over at the WotC site thought that Toril was flat (because the map is flat!), so I wanted to show him your wonderful spinning globe... but it's gone. Maybe you could just re-post that somewhere as well... I shoul dhave 'grebbed' a copy when I had the chance.
LOL, I guess they missed the part about Toril being an orb in the sourcebooks, too?
Patrakis, get better soon. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Patrakis
Learned Scribe
Canada
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Patrakis
Learned Scribe
Canada
256 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jan 2009 : 21:42:08
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Sorry about that...didn't know how to change those.
Thanks.
Pat |
Dancing is like standing still, but faster.
My site: http://www.patoumonde.com |
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Patrakis
Learned Scribe
Canada
256 Posts |
Posted - 11 Apr 2009 : 05:33:17
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Hi all,
Just wanted to let you know i'm back at work on my map of Toril.
My right arm is back at full strength and all is well.
Here is a new update with a bit more work done on terra incognita contients. The mountain ranges were taken from the spining globe that was found on the Interactive Atlas from way back. For a reason i can't comprehend, that spining globe, which stoped working for me about 10 years ago, started to work when i reinstalled the the Atlas this last chrismas. I was trilled to discover that on that spining globe, there were mountain ranges drawn over the undiscovered continents. I took those guidelines and shaped my terrain around these rough lines.
The results are the most canon i could find out there for these continents.
Anyway ... here's the link to the map ... nate that it's a work in progress... ok guyz :)
http://patoumonde.com/picturepro//albums/userpics/10001/Toril_Topo_3.pdf
Pat |
Dancing is like standing still, but faster.
My site: http://www.patoumonde.com |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 11 Apr 2009 : 15:21:57
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Glad to hear you're feeling better.
I can't download the maps for some reason.
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Patrakis
Learned Scribe
Canada
256 Posts |
Posted - 11 Apr 2009 : 21:22:22
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| That's strange. It's a simple PDF file. When you click the link you are brought to my windows skydive public space. Just click on the file once there and the pdf opens. At least for me it does. |
Dancing is like standing still, but faster.
My site: http://www.patoumonde.com |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 12 Apr 2009 : 02:47:14
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With IE, it just says "Page not found"
I just switched to Firefox, and still had the problem.
The link brings me to your page, but the download-links aren't working for me. |
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Patrakis
Learned Scribe
Canada
256 Posts |
Posted - 12 Apr 2009 : 06:23:03
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What version of Acrobat reader do you have? Maybe i converted with a too recent version of it?
PAt
PS: Anyone else having problems with it? |
Dancing is like standing still, but faster.
My site: http://www.patoumonde.com |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 12 Apr 2009 : 07:42:44
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I couldn't get to it, either. I just got a blank IE page that said "Continue" at the top.
Never mind... On a whim, I tried opening the link in Chrome, and it worked. Maybe it's some weird IE thing getting in the way. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 12 Apr 2009 : 15:21:58
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Tried IE and Firefox again - still saying page does not exist.
I even tried a few tricks I know (like breaking apart the URL), but nada. |
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Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 22 Apr 2009 : 21:16:38
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| I got it no problem. |
Long live 1384 and that which came before....!!! |
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Map of Toril - 3.5E
