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Arion Elenim
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 Posted - 09 Sep 2008 : 23:21:44
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Spoiler.......?
There was a little bit of debate during the last few novels about who exactly was behind Drizzt's success. Most of Menzo that knows who he is thinks he's some sort of curse from the faerie gods or something, but a few intrepid clerics thought that Drizzt was actually blessed by Lloth. Who else in the history of the city brought more chaos than Zaknafein's son? I personally like this theory...because let's face it, if Lloth wanted him dead, squish. She probably enjoyed/enjoys all the upheaval caused by his rebellion, as she was clearly bored with the Baenres and all their doings. I don't think she supports Do'Urden and his friends, but I'm pretty sure she cackled with delight when Catti-brie sent that stalagtite a-flyin'. :D |
My latest Realms-based short story, about a bard, a paladin of Lathander and the letter of the law, Debts Repaid. It takes place before the "shattering" and gives the bard Arion a last gasp before he plunges into the present.http://candlekeep.com/campaign/logs/log-debts.htm |
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Stout Heart
Learned Scribe
USA
118 Posts |
Posted - 09 Sep 2008 : 23:58:14
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| I'm hoping that Pharauns son will play more then just a minor role in the rest of the books seeing as how he hasn't spoken a single word yet. I'm extremely fond of Q'arlynd as well he doesn't have pharauns talent or ability but he's smart and shows promise. I enjoyed the LP trilogy from the first book to the last but the death of my most loved goddess was felt so deeply you would think I was one of her acolytes. As far as drizzt goes I will always have a soft spot for him the Dark elf trilogy taught me about forgotten realms but I'm bored with him. The best thing abut the two swords were the dwarves and the end of the orc king made me angry. Bruenor Delzoun Battlehammer sign a peace treaty with ORCS! seriously? I do like the direction he went in with Tos'un to be honest it was believable. |
Edited by - Stout Heart on 11 Sep 2008 18:21:52 |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 10 Sep 2008 : 18:16:06
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Originally posted by Arion Elenim
Who else in the history of the city brought more chaos than Zaknafein's son?
Don't know, but I'm sure they exist/existed. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
Edited by - Rinonalyrna Fathomlin on 10 Sep 2008 18:17:50 |
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GoCeraf
Learned Scribe
147 Posts |
Posted - 10 Sep 2008 : 19:11:55
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Right... so, ah...
Mingling =/= intellectual conversation
SPOILER ALERT::
Anyway, I've not read the Lady Penitent series (nor do I plan to), but do the new dark elves created by the Sshamath wizards' ritual look the same as the dark elves from back in the day?
All the best |
Being sarcastic can be more telling than simply telling. |
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Jimbobx
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
109 Posts |
Posted - 11 Sep 2008 : 07:29:30
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Originally posted by Stout Heart
the end of the orc king made me angry. Bruenor Delzoun Battlehammer sign a peace treaty with ORCS! seriously?
Ah shoot. You could've spoilered that one. I was waiting for the paperback. |
Rilyetan's Retreat
Jimbob's Waterdeep Journal
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Vangelor
Learned Scribe
USA
183 Posts |
Posted - 11 Sep 2008 : 09:51:35
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I find it hard to identify with sadism, slavery, demon-worship and kin-slaying. That said, the accursed traitor not-elves make good antagonists. Not avaialable as a PC race in my home campaign. Even Eilistraeeans are only present as NPC's, or the race loses its mystery. Yes, I am a player from the days when "Queen of the Demonweb Pits" was a new publication, and to surface races, the drow were a rumor too fearsome to believe. I prefer them that way.
I read the Salvatore story in Realms of the Elves, and wish I had not sold my Drizzt virginity so cheaply. I don't see what the fuss is about. I would rather read about elves.
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Zanan
Senior Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 11 Sep 2008 : 11:51:02
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Originally posted by Vangelor
I find it hard to identify with sadism, slavery, demon-worship and kin-slaying. That said, the accursed traitor not-elves make good antagonists. Not avaialable as a PC race in my home campaign. Even Eilistraeeans are only present as NPC's, or the race loses its mystery. Yes, I am a player from the days when "Queen of the Demonweb Pits" was a new publication, and to surface races, the drow were a rumor too fearsome to believe. I prefer them that way.
I read the Salvatore story in Realms of the Elves, and wish I had not sold my Drizzt virginity so cheaply. I don't see what the fuss is about. I would rather read about elves.
The traitor-elves bit is, of course, elven propaganda done by the "winners". As LP III intimates, at the time the dark elves very just short of extinction (at the hands of the Vyshaan sun elves of Aryvandaar) and thus forced into demon-meddling, i.e. getting Lolth into the matter big time. Some neat bit of info.
It is not so much identify with them, but liking them as mean and cunning and intelligent antagonists.
Anyway, if you want to read about elves, there is lots out there, like The Last Mythal trilogy, parts of the Return of the Archwizards' trilogy, The Howling Delve, Darkvision, Stardeep, Evermeet, Bladesinger ... it's all out there.  |
Cave quid dicis, quando et cui!
Gæð a wyrd swa hio scel!
In memory of Alura Durshavin.
Visit my "Homepage" to find A Guide to the Drow NPCs of Faerûn, Drow and non-Drow PrC and much more. |
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Stout Heart
Learned Scribe
USA
118 Posts |
Posted - 11 Sep 2008 : 15:05:57
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Originally posted by Jimbobx
SPOILER
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Originally posted by Stout Heart
the end of the orc king made me angry. Bruenor Delzoun Battlehammer sign a peace treaty with ORCS! seriously?
Ah shoot. You could've spoilered that one. I was waiting for the paperback.
Sorry about that I wasn't thinking. |
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Jimbobx
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
109 Posts |
Posted - 11 Sep 2008 : 21:39:46
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Originally posted by Stout Heart
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Originally posted by Jimbobx
SPOILER
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Originally posted by Stout Heart
the end of the orc king made me angry. Bruenor Delzoun Battlehammer sign a peace treaty with ORCS! seriously?
Ah shoot. You could've spoilered that one. I was waiting for the paperback.
Sorry about that I wasn't thinking.
No worries. It happens.  |
Rilyetan's Retreat
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Neil
Learned Scribe
Canada
107 Posts |
Posted - 12 Sep 2008 : 16:51:50
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Originally posted by GoCeraf
Aside from, perhaps, humans, there are more drow protagonists than any other race, certainly more than gnomes or halflings.
Has there ever been a gnome protagonist, except for the deep gnome in the Dark Elf books? The poor gnomes are almost non-existant in the fiction. |
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GoCeraf
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 12 Sep 2008 : 17:03:29
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| I know what you mean. There are characters of moderate import in some of the novels that I've read (Nanfoodle comes to mind), but never a main character like Belwar. Unfortunately, those are the only two I can think of off the top of my head, except maybe for a very minor character here and there. |
Being sarcastic can be more telling than simply telling. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 12 Sep 2008 : 18:41:38
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| The was a nice gnome character in Temple Hill. He wasn't a protagonist, but he wasn't irrelevant, either. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
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Zanan
Senior Scribe
Germany
942 Posts |
Posted - 13 Sep 2008 : 08:59:27
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| Well ... you have to consider though that real protagonist (i.e. people a story drives on) are not that numerous amongst drow either. The quantity of the Drizzt novels does not hide that there is just a couple of main protagonists in there, i.e. the scimitar-wielder and Jarlaxle. Liriel got a trilogy and a few appearances here and there, while the WotSQ series and the linked LP trilogy are somewhat of an excemption. Of course, they still outdistance most other races. You get some halfling / saurial stuff in the Alias trilogy (Azure Bonds etc.), a gnome (and a gnoll!) in Soldiers of Ice. Elves got covered more often recently, though as you have said, humans still take up some 80% of the protagonists of the FR novels. Which is, IMHO, a bit of a shame for a setting brimming with "fantastic" creatures. |
Cave quid dicis, quando et cui!
Gæð a wyrd swa hio scel!
In memory of Alura Durshavin.
Visit my "Homepage" to find A Guide to the Drow NPCs of Faerûn, Drow and non-Drow PrC and much more. |
Edited by - Zanan on 13 Sep 2008 09:03:21 |
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Zanan
Senior Scribe
Germany
942 Posts |
Posted - 13 Sep 2008 : 09:51:58
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| Speaking of the drow, I noted that of the character names offered in the 4E's FRPG just 5 (males 4 / females 1) out of 40 have appeared in the FR before, while most come from the pick-your-name from prefixes & suffix section in the 3,5E "Core" Drow of the Underdark. |
Cave quid dicis, quando et cui!
Gæð a wyrd swa hio scel!
In memory of Alura Durshavin.
Visit my "Homepage" to find A Guide to the Drow NPCs of Faerûn, Drow and non-Drow PrC and much more. |
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Stout Heart
Learned Scribe
USA
118 Posts |
Posted - 13 Sep 2008 : 19:40:30
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| Elves and humans have always been the main focus with other races making guest appearances. Which is one of the reasons I love Troy Denning for righting the Twilight giant series. That's the very same reason I'm working so hard my self to become a better writer I want to read storys where the main characters are dwarves or gnomes even giants. I want to see the inner workings of there societies outside of the random inner workings of a little persons inn. Heck before realms of war I had never heard of a spriggin whens the last time a dryard broke one of your pc's thumbs for stepping on a twig. There are so many talented writers I just wish the would branch out racially. |
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