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idilippy
Senior Scribe
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 Posted - 28 Dec 2010 : 10:04:08
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| Adding to this scroll's unlife, is there any official lore as to what happened in the Underdark when a small percentage of the population suddenly lost their darkvision, shifted skin and hair tone, and lost their innate racial magic/resistance to magic? Because the picture I always got in my head was of all pure-blooded Miyeritari and secret Eilistraee worshipers getting slaughtered by the other drow when they see the changes. I could see this being particularly bad for followers of Lloth who happened to be pure Miyeritari and who likely want nothing to do with the surface or any "redemption"(not that you can be redeemed or not redeemed based on your heritage anyways, it's all about the actions the individual takes), but would immediately be helpless and easy prey to their fellow Lloth followers. I haven't followed much in the way of 4e FR lore but this particular problem has been bugging me lately ever since I finally read Ascendancy of the Last all the way through fairly recently. |
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
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Posted - 28 Dec 2010 : 11:57:01
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skychrome
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 28 Dec 2010 : 13:15:22
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Very good point actually! It is one thing that Q’arlynd changes while being on the surface and being prepared more or less for those results, but I really would not like to be the ex-Drow who suddenly transforms while being in in Menzo or any other city... 
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idilippy
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 28 Dec 2010 : 20:11:39
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Yeah, that was the biggest part of that series that made no sense to me. I knew gods were going to die in less than spectacular ways, and I was pretty sure Lloth would be the only one left at the end, but I never understood how Eilistraee's plan made any sense whatsoever. For one, I never understood what this "redemption" thing had to do with anything. I originally thought it meant that all good drow were changed, but at the end we learn that's not the case, whether you are redeemed or not is suddenly a genetic factor, which makes absolutely zero sense. Also, reading over an old WotC thread on the topic I saw the argument that since the soul of a dead drow would've gone to the plane of their patron god anyways, the "redemption" idea makes even less sense. Drow were always free to worship other gods, including Eilistraee and the other Seldarine, and be accepted into Arvandor that way.
Also, I kept picturing drow priestesses or matrons becoming dark elves all throughout the Underdark and wondering why Lloth is suddenly forsaking them. I'm thinking that their chances of survival would become about as high as a normal elf's chance of survival in the middle of a drow city, pretty much zero, but was wondering if that was expanded on at all. |
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 30 Dec 2010 : 06:52:42
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Scroll ressurrect....
The transformation was not purely genetic, it was a case of being Miyeritari AND/OR following Eilistraee. (Apparently, just being "good" isn't enough...) Here's another idea. She didn't leave behind a "dead power", but instead simply vanished- as in, disappeared. What if she's not dead at all? She was possessing Quilue, which, I believe would have made the being Halisstra killed an avatar, and not the goddess herself. Only Ao can do that, as far as I know. As an example, look at Mystra in th Time of Troubles. When the former Mystra was destroyed, she had put MOST of her essence into Elmisnter, and even though he basically died, it did not destroy the goddess completely- she took a new form and body in Midnight. Eilistraee could have done the same thing.
I've been reading the series- my library FINALLY got them in- and this is what I'm getting from it. I read the last chapter pretty carefully, and I'm not so sure she's dead. When Selvetarm and Kiaransalee died, they both shriveled, turned to dust/ash, or whatever, and even Vearaun faded and blew away, but Eilistraee simply vanished. Not faded, not crumbled- just disappeared. If she was possessing Quilue, then wouldn't it be logical to assume it was an avatar that was killed, instead? As far as I know, only Ao has the power to completely boot a god onto the Material Plane into a mortal body. Even Mystra could not completely contain her essence within one mortal during the Time of Troubles, and she was using Elminster!
Given the fact that she assumed Vaeraun's aspect after she killed him, I'm wondering if she didn't fake her death to hide from Lolth. In fact, she could be hiding within Corellon himself, since he didn't seem too upset by her disappearance, and her domain IS still there. He might have hidden her, or at least known what was going on and played along. I got this idea from one of Vearaun's followers in Storm of the Dead. He had suggested to Karas that the god faked his death to unite all the non-Lolth drow. It could still be true with Eilistraee doing that. Vanishing suggests that she might be "invisible" or hiding in the shadows, and Corellon sort of took her place without much fuss. He never actually said she was dead, either, just "gone".
That said, it's possible she is dead, but since she effectively stripped Lolth of a good portion of her followers- and thus, her power- her disappearance could even be her own version of Lolth's "Silence". What if she comes back stronger, because she redeemed the Myeritar and other drow who were able to? The power Lolth gained from her silence has basically been negated by the loss of so many drow from her influence, so Eilistraee might intend to have them join with the surface elves in their fight against Lolth. That would give her more power in the long run, and Lolth would be completely taken in by her apparent "death!"
Again, this is just a theory, so take it as you will. But it would make sense, if she was taking on some of her brother's traits.... |
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Azalin
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Posted - 18 Oct 2012 : 18:43:49
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I think meebe the gun was jumped about there being no redemption for the rest of the Drow but at that time, which deity would take it upon themselves to attempt this?
I'm sure that at some point, that Corellon or another might take up this task but I'm for thinking that this is what caused the prediction of no redemption. |
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Ascendancy of the last. Heavy spoilers
