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scererar
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 22 May 2008 : 02:59:04
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anyone familiar with these sites, that monitor internet traffic? I did a google search for candlekeep, when this topic came up. If it is true data, it is kind of interesting.
http://www.quantcast.com/candlekeep.com
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36805 Posts |
Posted - 22 May 2008 : 03:33:23
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Originally posted by scererar
anyone familiar with these sites, that monitor internet traffic? I did a google search for candlekeep, when this topic came up. If it is true data, it is kind of interesting.
http://www.quantcast.com/candlekeep.com
I'd like to know where those numbers came from, particularly on the second site. And isn't Alexa one of those sites that is really annoying about dropping tracking cookies and such on your computer?
Edit: I decided to follow scererar's lead and remove the link to the Alexa site. Their business practices are annoying. |
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
USA
1618 Posts |
Posted - 22 May 2008 : 03:42:54
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| I was wondering the same about how they came up with some of the data elements. and I hope that the site is not a bad one. if it is even perceived as one, please delete. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31777 Posts |
Posted - 22 May 2008 : 03:50:43
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I'd like to know where those numbers came from, particularly on the second site. And isn't Alexa one of those sites that is really annoying about dropping tracking cookies and such on your computer?
Aye, it is. Which is why I tend to stay well away from them. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36805 Posts |
Posted - 22 May 2008 : 07:48:15
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I'd like to know where those numbers came from, particularly on the second site. And isn't Alexa one of those sites that is really annoying about dropping tracking cookies and such on your computer?
Aye, it is. Which is why I tend to stay well away from them.
I thought I recognized the name from countless Ad-Aware scans.  |
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 May 2008 : 14:48:45
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Originally posted by The Sage
How would you re-organise the Forum divisions here at Candlekeep?
How about:
chat and welcome
site content
news, products, meta-discussion
the Realms: lore, events, etc.
authors' threads
DMing and play experiences
novels
book club
computer games
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There's 9 down from 15. |
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Karzak
Learned Scribe
196 Posts |
Posted - 22 May 2008 : 15:13:07
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Faraer
Candlekeep has a few too many divisions for my taste, too.
Interesting. How would you re-organise the Forum divisions here at Candlekeep?
"The typical visitor... visits blizzard.com"
Visits... Blizzard.com? That's, erm, interesting. And "ethnicity: Asian" is the highest on the bar graph. Either some of our IPs are a little odd, use Asian proxies, or there's something I don't know. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 May 2008 : 15:25:04
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I'd rename a couple of them, myself. I find it confusing, sometimes, having the Chamber of Sages and the Sages of Realmslore sections. 
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36805 Posts |
Posted - 22 May 2008 : 16:22:50
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Originally posted by Karzak
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Faraer
Candlekeep has a few too many divisions for my taste, too.
Interesting. How would you re-organise the Forum divisions here at Candlekeep?
"The typical visitor... visits blizzard.com"
Visits... Blizzard.com? That's, erm, interesting. And "ethnicity: Asian" is the highest on the bar graph. Either some of our IPs are a little odd, use Asian proxies, or there's something I don't know.
I also thought the high number of Asian visitors was odd. While I could certainly be mistaken, I was under the impression that the majority of our scribes were from the US, with perhaps the second largest group being European. That makes a lot more sense than the notably larger group of Asian visitors that site claimed we had. That was why I commented on wanting to know how they came up with those numbers.
It says it's an estimate. I'm inclined to think they simply used numbers based on overall internet usage per region. |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 22 May 2008 : 16:48:40
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Just since I haven't commented on this scroll yet; even though I have had an account since 2004, I became an active member shortly after (and directly because of) reading Wise words from Ed, regarding 4e FR, which Markustay posted a link to in the WotC forums. And then everyone quickly took me in (and even put up with my childish behavior over what has been done to "my" Realms  , though I don't remember ever getting a warning from Wooly or Sage). I realized that here I could come into contact with the writers and designers who were not under WotC censorship, and so were free to speak their minds about how they actually felt about the changes being made to the Realms. And Ed Greenwood (the creator and only true god of the Realms in my mind) himself, as frequently as possible, fields the questions/concerns/et cetera of the fans (via Milady Hooded One). So over time, my posts on the WotC boards became less and less (because I realized that, for the most part, they fell on deaf ears) and my posts here became more and more.
So to sum it up, the 4e Realms is directly responsible for my increased participation here. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31777 Posts |
Posted - 22 May 2008 : 17:17:05
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Originally posted by Faraer
How about:
chat and welcome
site content
news, products, meta-discussion
the Realms: lore, events, etc.
authors' threads
DMing and play experiences
novels
book club
computer games
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There's 9 down from 15.
Hmmm... Maybe Alaundo will consider asking for input from the scribes about potentially increasing the efficiency of the boards, once the major Forum upgrade becomes a reality. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 22 May 2008 : 18:22:01
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I would agree that these forums could be condensed - upcoming products do not have to divided between FR and D&D... especially now.
And lumping the Sages of Realmslore together with the general would probably be a good idea - a lot of questions get asked in general anyway, and I know I feel a little "full of myself" responding to people under the 'Sages' header. Just one board for general discussion and questions (which will allow these boards to move along a little more quickly), with a 'sticky' at the top about being sure to specify wheather a person is referencing canon lore, or talking about their own 'homebrew' solutions (which should always be done anyway).
I wouldn't mind seeing a forum - perhaps just a scroll added to the author forum - that would allow posters to ask questions about their CK articles. I'd like a little more interaction between us and the people who enjoy the lore we create - which will become more important over the next year, as official 3e FR sources 'dry up'.
Definately combine the welcome forum with the Inn - maybe rename it the "Welcome Inn" or some such.
People tend to judge the usefulness of a forum by its activity (which is a false assumption - which everyone would relize if they used comp tech forums), and this site tends to move along at a 'snailish' pace (do to good moderation, mind you) - if people saw topics coming and going with a little more frequency (which less boards would do), they be inclined to participate themselves more often.
Its discouraging to come back to a forum after two days, and see almost no activity since the last time you checked. I like that this site doesn't get a lot useless trolling, but perhaps it could use a little shot in the arm to get its heart pumping again.
Contests are GOOD - I used to host the International Mini exchange over at Cooliminiornot, and I think I was able to double the number of active members by the end of my year of tenure. I footed the cost of the prizes myself though ($40 minis!), so I wouldn't expect Alaundo to do that, but perhaps something along the lines of custom titles, or special avatars...
We need a little 'Glitz' around here...
A face-lift and a new interface (Forums 2.0?) would do wonders, and right now is a GOLDEN oportunity to grab thousands of people who are looking for new homes. Many folks view CK as an 'Elitist' site (I know I used to), so if we time a 'new face' with 4e's release, I think this site could take-off.
Also, a 4eFR forum is a must!!!
Despite the fact that most of old-timers hate it, we want the newcomers to feel welcome here, and people will want some of their 4e questions answered... POLITELY. No rants allowed there!
Which brings me to my next point - a 'rant' forum - maybe call it "Mace's Homestead" or something.
Anyhow, that will be a forum for opinions about released products or 'setting' trends - not sure about novel opinions though (which could drive our much-beloved authors away). People can discuss their likes and dislikes THERE, and NOWHERE else.
Sorry for going on, but I really think CK can turn lemons into lemonade at this point in time, and Alaundo should take advantage of it. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 22 May 2008 : 18:53:14
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Originally posted by Markustay
I like that this site doesn't get a lot useless trolling...
Definitely--that's definitely something I appreciate here. It's much, much easier for trolls to flourish on the WotC forums. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 22 May 2008 : 19:07:35
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I believe the WotC forums is in truth the Troll Homeland.
And lord knows I was one....  |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36805 Posts |
Posted - 22 May 2008 : 21:14:52
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Originally posted by Markustay
Also, a 4eFR forum is a must!!!
Despite the fact that most of old-timers hate it, we want the newcomers to feel welcome here, and people will want some of their 4e questions answered... POLITELY. No rants allowed there!
Which brings me to my next point - a 'rant' forum - maybe call it "Mace's Homestead" or something.
I honestly don't see a need for a separate 4E forum. A lot of us may hate what's being done to the Realms, but whether the lore refers to pre- or post-Sellplague, it's still Realmslore. |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 22 May 2008 : 22:52:32
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Markustay
Also, a 4eFR forum is a must!!!
Despite the fact that most of old-timers hate it, we want the newcomers to feel welcome here, and people will want some of their 4e questions answered... POLITELY. No rants allowed there!
Which brings me to my next point - a 'rant' forum - maybe call it "Mace's Homestead" or something.
I honestly don't see a need for a separate 4E forum. A lot of us may hate what's being done to the Realms, but whether the lore refers to pre- or post-Sellplague, it's still Realmslore.
But with the mainstream (at least at CK) dislike for the 4e Realms, and the talk of CK developing their own lore that overlaps with the 4e Realms, I think it would be wiser. To be honest, I think that there should be a pre-Spellplague, and then two forums for post-Spellplague; Unofficial and Official. Just because it would get confusing otherwise if we begin to form our own lore and use dates that are already used in the official lore for out unofficial lore. Maybe it is something we should have an Official Candlekeep Poll on (preferably run by Alaundo, rather than just one of use common scribes; or by you or the Sage). |
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
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Faraer
Great Reader
3308 Posts |
Posted - 22 May 2008 : 23:20:52
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Originally posted by Markustay
And lumping the Sages of Realmslore together with the general would probably be a good idea - a lot of questions get asked in general anyway, and I know I feel a little "full of myself" responding to people under the 'Sages' header.
It seems to me there's a natural division between a news/products board with an out-of-Realms perspective and a Realmslore forum about the world itself. Right now there are three boards serving these two purposes.
The point of a 4E-Realms board would be to actively draw newcomers with space to discuss the new setting, for what it is rather than from the comparative perspective of current discussions. Without this, threads on the 15th-century timeline will be a minority from the start and may never flourish here.quote:
Anyhow, that will be a forum for opinions about released products or 'setting' trends - not sure about novel opinions though (which could drive our much-beloved authors away). People can discuss their likes and dislikes THERE, and NOWHERE else.
All discussion is informed by likes and dislikes and I don't think it's productive, practical, or necessary at this point to segregate them. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31777 Posts |
Posted - 23 May 2008 : 01:19:47
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Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I honestly don't see a need for a separate 4E forum. A lot of us may hate what's being done to the Realms, but whether the lore refers to pre- or post-Sellplague, it's still Realmslore.
But with the mainstream (at least at CK) dislike for the 4e Realms, and the talk of CK developing their own lore that overlaps with the 4e Realms, I think it would be wiser. To be honest, I think that there should be a pre-Spellplague, and then two forums for post-Spellplague; Unofficial and Official. Just because it would get confusing otherwise if we begin to form our own lore and use dates that are already used in the official lore for out unofficial lore. Maybe it is something we should have an Official Candlekeep Poll on (preferably run by Alaundo, rather than just one of use common scribes; or by you or the Sage).
I tend to agree with Wooly. As it stands now, 1e, 2e, and even 3e Realmslore is freely discussed in every section at Candlekeep. To create a separate section for 4e, will generate problems later when scribes want to include 4e lore in a discussion about the 1e, 2e, or 3e Realms.
Besides, there are many who dislike the changes wrought by 3e, but it's still part of the mainstream discussion cycle here at Candlekeep. The post-Spellplague period, and the rest of the 4e Realms shouldn't be isolated because it's perceived that many dislike it. If we do that, it'll likely only increase the amount of anger and alienation some scribes feel towards the 4e Realms. By keeping such 4e discussions in among the rest of the Realmslore chatter here at Candlekeep, we are maintaining the concept that Realmslore of any edition and any type can be freely discussed here. To go against that, is to work against what makes Candlekeep the place we all love and respect.
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 23 May 2008 : 01:33:40
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Well, I was only kidding about the 'rant' aspect; I was thinking more along the lines of 'Product Reviews', but covering MORE then just the products - it would cover aspects of lore changes made as well, wheather it be spellplague, ToT, or Elminster's tower renovations...whatever. It would just be a place for voicing their discontent... or happiness... with stuff WotC is doing (and 3rd party, if it relates somehow to the Realms, like 3rd party splatbooks or non-Realms Ed lore). We really don't have a specific place for 'discussions' - they just end up happening everywhere.
The only reason why I suggest this is that I see opinions creeping into almost every thread lately, and if we had a seperate place for that, then mods wouldn't feel so 'heavy handed' by admonishing people when doing so elsewhere.
My reasoniong for a seperate 4e Forum is much the same as the one I gave at the WotC boards before quitting them - In a lot of cases, a question being asked may have more then one answer now. Before, if someone asked who the open Lord of waterdeep is, it didn't matter if it was 1e, 2e, or 3e - Now, the edition matters. I can just see someone giving the 'right' answer, and other people (who don't like the changes) disagreeing and saying "this is the way it is in the REAL Realms". With seperate forums, we know exactly where the poster is coming from, and can answer any questions with the appropriate temporal response. It has nothing to do with segragation, and everything to do with efficiency.
I figure, since we can afford to lose a few forums, we can also afford to gain two, just keep everything in its own place. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 23 May 2008 : 01:43:18
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| Well, there are still people that dislike the Time of Troubles... But we've not delegated 1E to a separate section. Yeah, a lot of people are pissed about the Sellplague, but it's actually quieted down somewhat, of late. It'll be a few months, but prolly six months or so after the FRCG comes out, people will be resigned to it and will only raise token protests. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 23 May 2008 : 02:24:27
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If I'm not intruding by offering *my* opinion?
I'm with Wooly on this: it's just the difference between canon and non-canon, and the board is already pretty good at that.
When answering a poster, you say whether the lore is canonical or not--if it's non-Spellplague lore, then you mention it. If it's non-ToT lore, then you mention it. If it doesn't matter, then it doesn't matter.
If a poster asks a specifically "non-SP" question, like "in my campaign, the heroes schooled Cyric and saved Mystra, yays! So how does magic work in the Realms in 1400?", then you answer with non-spellplague lore.
It's up to the poster(s) asking the questions whether they want canon or non-canon lore, as always. You give them lots of answers, other people give lots of answers, they pick what they want.
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'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
947 Posts |
Posted - 23 May 2008 : 02:30:56
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
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Posted - 23 May 2008 : 06:34:25
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
I'm going to miss the real Realms myself
And which one is that ?
I agree with Wooly, Erik, Sage etc on this one. The number of forums don't matter much to me, but I really don't want to see a separate 4ed. forum. There has always been variations in what Realmslore people prefered and saw as their canon and that will hopefully continue. If a 4 ed. forum was segregated one could just as well form a "Greenwoods Realms forum" or a "TSR-forum". If things become unmanageable for those using 4ed.this could always be changed at a later date, but separating the 4ed. from start seems to much of an "us and Them" situation for me. As long as people specify their questions and answers I dont see much problem with keeping things as it is.
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 23 May 2008 : 17:14:37
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Originally posted by Jorkens
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
I'm going to miss the real Realms myself
And which one is that ?
I agree with Wooly, Erik, Sage etc on this one. The number of forums don't matter much to me, but I really don't want to see a separate 4ed. forum. There has always been variations in what Realmslore people prefered and saw as their canon and that will hopefully continue. If a 4 ed. forum was segregated one could just as well form a "Greenwoods Realms forum" or a "TSR-forum". If things become unmanageable for those using 4ed.this could always be changed at a later date, but separating the 4ed. from start seems to much of an "us and Them" situation for me. As long as people specify their questions and answers I dont see much problem with keeping things as it is.
I will still miss supplements, novels set within the appropriate time period, etc etc |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36805 Posts |
Posted - 23 May 2008 : 17:55:56
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
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Originally posted by Jorkens
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
I'm going to miss the real Realms myself
And which one is that ?
I agree with Wooly, Erik, Sage etc on this one. The number of forums don't matter much to me, but I really don't want to see a separate 4ed. forum. There has always been variations in what Realmslore people prefered and saw as their canon and that will hopefully continue. If a 4 ed. forum was segregated one could just as well form a "Greenwoods Realms forum" or a "TSR-forum". If things become unmanageable for those using 4ed.this could always be changed at a later date, but separating the 4ed. from start seems to much of an "us and Them" situation for me. As long as people specify their questions and answers I dont see much problem with keeping things as it is.
I will still miss supplements, novels set within the appropriate time period, etc etc
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 23 May 2008 : 19:08:33
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Originally posted by Jorkens
I agree with Wooly, Erik, Sage etc on this one. The number of forums don't matter much to me, but I really don't want to see a separate 4ed. forum. There has always been variations in what Realmslore people prefered and saw as their canon and that will hopefully continue. If a 4 ed. forum was segregated one could just as well form a "Greenwoods Realms forum" or a "TSR-forum". If things become unmanageable for those using 4ed.this could always be changed at a later date, but separating the 4ed. from start seems to much of an "us and Them" situation for me. As long as people specify their questions and answers I dont see much problem with keeping things as it is.
I would suggest, that since it has been proposed that we at CK develop out own alternate time line, and if those involved were serious about it, that we have a separate forum for that. Or at least a forum for people to show/develop/et cetera their own versions of the Realms. Largely because of the percentage of current CK members who are going to ignore 4e all together, but this would also be an outlet for people who decide to ignore the changes made in 2e and 3e as well. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 23 May 2008 : 19:12:33
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I still think that developing an alternate timeline here, which allows people to skip over 4e purchases, may be viewed with hostility by WotC. Nothing says that people can't post their own suggestions to that effect, but by creating a seperate forum for that, it would mean that CK supports the idea - I think neutrality would be best to keep CK 'safe'.
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
They'll be back for 5th edition, in about 5 years.
When the 'Classic Realms' gets released, covering that century they have set aside... just in case?
Anyhow, I suppose you guyss are right. Its just that the lore changes are much more massive this time out, so that a majority of questions will now have two seperate answers - Before, when we talked about the Empire of Netheril, we KNEW we were discussing the past. Thats just one of a thousand examples I could think of. Of course, as long as the OP does indeed specify the time period they are looking for information on, then it should all work out.
Like I said, I have nothing against the people who like 4e - they certainly aren't responsible for it. And who knows? Bringing in all of the 'new blood' may prove to be a good thing in the long run.
And I suppose we should wait until we have a problem, before we make allowances for one that doesn't exist yet. |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
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Posted - 23 May 2008 : 20:07:33
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Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
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Originally posted by Jorkens
I agree with Wooly, Erik, Sage etc on this one. The number of forums don't matter much to me, but I really don't want to see a separate 4ed. forum. There has always been variations in what Realmslore people prefered and saw as their canon and that will hopefully continue. If a 4 ed. forum was segregated one could just as well form a "Greenwoods Realms forum" or a "TSR-forum". If things become unmanageable for those using 4ed.this could always be changed at a later date, but separating the 4ed. from start seems to much of an "us and Them" situation for me. As long as people specify their questions and answers I dont see much problem with keeping things as it is.
I would suggest, that since it has been proposed that we at CK develop out own alternate time line, and if those involved were serious about it, that we have a separate forum for that. Or at least a forum for people to show/develop/et cetera their own versions of the Realms. Largely because of the percentage of current CK members who are going to ignore 4e all together, but this would also be an outlet for people who decide to ignore the changes made in 2e and 3e as well.
Yes, but people have been doing that for years, its not like this is a united community that all of a sudden finds itself opposing change. There's plenty of lore here that deviates from the "canon" Realms, so why do we all of a sudden need to draw borders all over the place.
Now, a forum for larger works like a timeline is another story. It might be usefully if a large group of people were involved in the shaping of this project. I am still uncomfortable with it being presented as a sort of official Candlekeep timeline though. |
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Markustay
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Posted - 23 May 2008 : 22:49:26
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WotC will MOST CERTAINLY interpret it as CK taking sides. They have taken enough 'hits' to their structural integrity in the past couple of weeks to make them VERY paranoid - If they see their "#1 Fansite" jumping ship as well...
It could be the straw that broke the camels back, and right now, we NEED CK more then ever.... |
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