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Aulduron
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Posted - 01 May 2008 :  00:21:10  Show Profile Send Aulduron a Private Message  Reply with Quote
A spell may not have created Undermountain, in particular, but there was a spell that created the underdark, and draws dark elves to it. Although that may have been part of Dark Disaster.

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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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quote:
Originally posted by Aulduron

A spell may not have created Undermountain, in particular, but there was a spell that created the underdark, and draws dark elves to it. Although that may have been part of Dark Disaster.



I'm pretty sure what you are describing is a recently introduced retcon (found in the second book of the Lady Penitent trilogy).

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Aulduron
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You are correct.

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Elestar
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I chose the Imaskari Wards. Banning gods from a crystal sphere is quite remarkable.

The Sundering, Uaul'Selu'Keryth is second to me, because even if the spell might be successful, the consequences are catastrophic, and it is not just blowing up a planet, but an ultimate Uaul torns even the Weawe asunder. It is a mighty ritual for sure, but not too wise.

Mythallars are really impressive, just as flying cities are, but those damn quasimagical mechanisms make your cerebral glands aching... ouch

The Draco-Rage Mythal was a smart spell.

The disastrous killing storm of the Mormhaor'Sykerylor was not.


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Dracons
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All are good. But Magic Missile is. It allowed users to gain power by using it on goblins.

But other then that, Karsus Avatar was the greatest. Just because he realized he couldn't control the power of a god, does mean it was a failure. He still became one. Stealing the magic powers of a god of magic, through magic. Now that's a spell.

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silverwizard
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Posted - 22 Jul 2008 :  18:22:08  Show Profile  Visit silverwizard's Homepage Send silverwizard a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Karsus Avatar, for the aforementioned reasons
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Dennis
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quote:
Originally posted by dracons

All are good. But Magic Missile is. It allowed users to gain power by using it on goblins.

But other then that, Karsus Avatar was the greatest. Just because he realized he couldn't control the power of a god, does mean it was a failure. He still became one. Stealing the magic powers of a god of magic, through magic. Now that's a spell.



True. It was not really a failure.

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Alisttair
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I'm coming back in here and also saying Karsus' Avatar was the greatest and was not a failure. It did what it was supposed to. He merely chose the wrong target is all.

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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by Alisttair

I'm coming back in here and also saying Karsus' Avatar was the greatest and was not a failure. It did what it was supposed to. He merely chose the wrong target is all.

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Alisttair
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Posted - 26 Apr 2010 :  17:46:26  Show Profile  Visit Alisttair's Homepage Send Alisttair a Private Message  Reply with Quote
He should have targeted Amaunator. Now that was a weakling god compared to Mystryl. Then as a deity he could have gotten used to the power and then maybe go after Mystryl.

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Asharak
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Posted - 26 Apr 2010 :  19:17:24  Show Profile Send Asharak a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sundering

Dawn Cataclysm
Time of Troubles
Spellplague

The gods... it's so common

But change the continents... just the once

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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by Alisttair

He should have targeted Amaunator. Now that was a weakling god compared to Mystryl. Then as a deity he could have gotten used to the power and then maybe go after Mystryl.

I disagree. I seem to recall a few sources suggesting that Karsus realised that his mistake was, basically, targeting a god.

Granted, targeting a god other than Mystryl probably wouldn't have had the same disastrous and/or immediate impact upon the Realms. But at the same time, I don't believe Karsus would've just stopped with Amaunator. And even with the power of a deity... taking out Mystryl still would've been a reckless move. As the death of Mystra 2.0 [at the hands of another god] demonstrates just before the Spellplague.

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Tren of Twilight Tower
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Posted - 27 Apr 2010 :  02:13:24  Show Profile  Visit Tren of Twilight Tower's Homepage Send Tren of Twilight Tower a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Chosen of Moradin

My vote goes to the Imaskar! Change the continent, or affect a race is one thing... now, block the gods! These old imaskars have some cards in the sleeve, really. ^^




Agreed. One does not kick gods out of game on every Monday eve. To do anything even remotely close to that one should poses something much more convincing than courage.


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Alisttair
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Posted - 27 Apr 2010 :  14:29:42  Show Profile  Visit Alisttair's Homepage Send Alisttair a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

quote:
Originally posted by Alisttair

He should have targeted Amaunator. Now that was a weakling god compared to Mystryl. Then as a deity he could have gotten used to the power and then maybe go after Mystryl.

I disagree. I seem to recall a few sources suggesting that Karsus realised that his mistake was, basically, targeting a god.

Granted, targeting a god other than Mystryl probably wouldn't have had the same disastrous and/or immediate impact upon the Realms. But at the same time, I don't believe Karsus would've just stopped with Amaunator. And even with the power of a deity... taking out Mystryl still would've been a reckless move. As the death of Mystra 2.0 [at the hands of another god] demonstrates just before the Spellplague.



So technically, the spellplague could have coincided with the Fall of Netheril had Mystryl not come back as Mystra.

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Sill Alias
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Posted - 27 Apr 2010 :  14:37:15  Show Profile  Visit Sill Alias's Homepage Send Sill Alias a Private Message  Reply with Quote
But could it be that he could only target Mystryl? Maybe her potfolio somehow was the base of his spell?

I don't know the details, but the spell that can protect from even Ao?

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_Jarlaxle_
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Posted - 27 Apr 2010 :  14:56:40  Show Profile Send _Jarlaxle_ a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

I disagree. I seem to recall a few sources suggesting that Karsus realised that his mistake was, basically, targeting a god.


The end of Dangerous games says the following:
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By then, the enclave had tipped almost vertically. Karsus, once a god, now a red stone
statue, tipped far into space and plummeted, and his loving, ill-fated cousin fell after.
For an instant, Karsus understood what had happened, how Mystryl had sacrificed herself
for the common good of god and man, an unselfish sacrifice he never could have conceived
of. And how his loving cousin had sacrificed herself believing in him, as the empire had
believed in him.
And how he'd betrayed them all.
With this last, godlike insight, Karsus's selfish heart broke



But I agree with you that targeting other gods would probally have simmilar destructive effects.
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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by Alisttair

quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

quote:
Originally posted by Alisttair

He should have targeted Amaunator. Now that was a weakling god compared to Mystryl. Then as a deity he could have gotten used to the power and then maybe go after Mystryl.

I disagree. I seem to recall a few sources suggesting that Karsus realised that his mistake was, basically, targeting a god.

Granted, targeting a god other than Mystryl probably wouldn't have had the same disastrous and/or immediate impact upon the Realms. But at the same time, I don't believe Karsus would've just stopped with Amaunator. And even with the power of a deity... taking out Mystryl still would've been a reckless move. As the death of Mystra 2.0 [at the hands of another god] demonstrates just before the Spellplague.



So technically, the spellplague could have coincided with the Fall of Netheril had Mystryl not come back as Mystra.

If Mystryl hadn't reincarnated herself and restored the Weave, I suppose an early derivative of a Spellplague-type event could've rocked the Realms during the Fall of Netheril. But the actual Spellplague was born from the unique circumstances surrounding the death of Mystra 2.0, and the inability of the Chosen to help reconstruct the Weave.

Besides, we've already been witness to a, very brief, Spellplague-like event -- after Mystryl's demise. The Weave unravelled everywhere... just as it did during the actual 1385 DR Spellplague.

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Ashe Ravenheart
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(Kinda on-topic, but a bit off as well)

What about the spell* the elven High Mages cast creating Evermeet? Permanently linking the Feywild to the Realms (and warping/distorting the Weave to do so) is pretty high up there.

The off-topic part is a question I have that, since Evermeet was so connected to the Weave, why didn't it disconnect from the Realms when Mystra was murdered?

*Heh... missed this on the first go around.
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skychrome
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quote:
Originally posted by Alisttair

I'm coming back in here and also saying Karsus' Avatar was the greatest and was not a failure. It did what it was supposed to. He merely chose the wrong target is all.


Although the Wayward and the Imaskari option are on my top list, I have to give a +1 to Karsus' most fanatic minion, Alisttair, here in the Keep.

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Alisttair
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quote:
Originally posted by The SageIf Mystryl hadn't reincarnated herself and restored the Weave, I suppose an early derivative of a Spellplague-type event could've rocked the Realms during the Fall of Netheril. But the actual Spellplague was born from the unique circumstances surrounding the death of Mystra 2.0, and the inability of the Chosen to help reconstruct the Weave.

Besides, we've already been witness to a, very brief, Spellplague-like event -- after Mystryl's demise. The Weave unravelled everywhere... just as it did during the actual 1385 DR Spellplague.



That reminds me. Mystra had her Chosen as a way to protect the Weave, giving parts of herself to mortals. In doing so, she basically foresaw her demise (again). A hypothesis that just came to me is that, even though they say there is no longer a weave and thus magic simply works differently, perhaps in actuality, the weave is simply different as it has been re-threaded by the essence of the Chosen, and the remaining few keep it intact (and so it is simply not made of the same powerful divine strands, but weaker ones). Could be something worked into a campaign plot, doubt that is what WotC is actually planning (unlike the reincarnation of Karsus plot )

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Alisttair
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quote:
Originally posted by skychrome

quote:
Originally posted by Alisttair

I'm coming back in here and also saying Karsus' Avatar was the greatest and was not a failure. It did what it was supposed to. He merely chose the wrong target is all.


Although the Wayward and the Imaskari option are on my top list, I have to give a +1 to Karsus' most fanatic minion, Alisttair, here in the Keep.



Thanks for the kind words skychrome. I merely wish to serve the almighty Karsus before his eventual rise to greatness in hopes that he rewards me for believing unlike all the peasants who will either bow on the day of reckoning, or perish before his might

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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart

The off-topic part is a question I have that, since Evermeet was so connected to the Weave, why didn't it disconnect from the Realms when Mystra was murdered?
I think it did. As I recall, Evermeet now resides in the Feywild... with a slight temporal echo of the Green Isle now sitting where Evermeet used to be.

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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by Alisttair

That reminds me. Mystra had her Chosen as a way to protect the Weave, giving parts of herself to mortals. In doing so, she basically foresaw her demise (again). A hypothesis that just came to me is that, even though they say there is no longer a weave and thus magic simply works differently, perhaps in actuality, the weave is simply different as it has been re-threaded by the essence of the Chosen, and the remaining few keep it intact (and so it is simply not made of the same powerful divine strands, but weaker ones). Could be something worked into a campaign plot, doubt that is what WotC is actually planning (unlike the reincarnation of Karsus plot )

Well, as we saw in the "Shadow of the Avatar" books and elsewhere, Mystra's Chosen retained part of her divine power, which was the 'silver fire' [see e.g. The Seven Sisters pg. 6], upon her death, so that Mystra/the Weave could be reconstructed. To restore the Weave, even in an altered form, probably would've meant the restoration of Mystra as well.

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quote:
Originally posted by Alisttair
Thanks for the kind words skychrome. I merely wish to serve the almighty Karsus before his eventual rise to greatness in hopes that he rewards me for believing unlike all the peasants who will either bow on the day of reckoning, or perish before his might


Rightfully so, as true devotion is rewarded by the mighty, as has been proven by Malik el Sami yn Nasser.

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Symrustar's Spellbinding. Think about it. Anything cast at the caster who cast Symrustar's Spellbinding wouldn't affect it, and the caster could actually learn the spell. If we consider all of the following: Waymeet, Dragon Rage Mythal, Imaskar wards, Sundering, Dark Disaster and Mythallar as area of efffect spells, a caster who can cast Symrustar's Spellbinding will be able to learn all of these, and not be affected by them. Heck, if you claim Karsus's Avatar was a spell that targeted a certain someone, if it targeted the caster of Symrustar's Spellbinding, you could learn that too. You'd have all the greatest spells in Faerun.

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quote:
Originally posted by skychrome

quote:
Originally posted by Alisttair
Thanks for the kind words skychrome. I merely wish to serve the almighty Karsus before his eventual rise to greatness in hopes that he rewards me for believing unlike all the peasants who will either bow on the day of reckoning, or perish before his might


Rightfully so, as true devotion is rewarded by the mighty, as has been proven by Malik el Sami yn Nasser.



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Nicolai Withander
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What about the spell that makes me lvl 10, 11, 12 or what ever lvl spell possible again at the end just before the spellplague???
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quote:
Originally posted by Menelvagor

Symrustar's Spellbinding. Think about it. Anything cast at the caster who cast Symrustar's Spellbinding wouldn't affect it, and the caster could actually learn the spell. If we consider all of the following: Waymeet, Dragon Rage Mythal, Imaskar wards, Sundering, Dark Disaster and Mythallar as area of efffect spells, a caster who can cast Symrustar's Spellbinding will be able to learn all of these, and not be affected by them. Heck, if you claim Karsus's Avatar was a spell that targeted a certain someone, if it targeted the caster of Symrustar's Spellbinding, you could learn that too. You'd have all the greatest spells in Faerun.



Does not that spell have a limit of level? I do not believe that this spell can make you know the 15 level spells.

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quote:
Originally posted by Menelvagor

Symrustar's Spellbinding. Think about it. Anything cast at the caster who cast Symrustar's Spellbinding wouldn't affect it, and the caster could actually learn the spell. If we consider all of the following: Waymeet, Dragon Rage Mythal, Imaskar wards, Sundering, Dark Disaster and Mythallar as area of efffect spells, a caster who can cast Symrustar's Spellbinding will be able to learn all of these, and not be affected by them. Heck, if you claim Karsus's Avatar was a spell that targeted a certain someone, if it targeted the caster of Symrustar's Spellbinding, you could learn that too. You'd have all the greatest spells in Faerun.



Where and how and Why does my wizard not have this spell. Where can it be found????
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It was a spell created by Symrustar Auglamyr, mentioned in The Fall of Myth Drannor, which is available for download from the Wizards website. It oculd only be cast if you were wearing Symrustar's Choker, which acts as a personal spellbook.
Sill, reagrding your question, I quote: "The magic also can only affect and deconstruct up to the caster's level in spell levels."
Of ocurse, there's really no point in learning a 15th level spell if you can't cast it.

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Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly.
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