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BARDOBARBAROS
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 Posted - 23 Mar 2008 : 18:34:39
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Has anyone read about what races will be core in Forgotten realms in 4th edition???
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Edited by - BARDOBARBAROS on 23 Mar 2008 18:35:36
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 24 Mar 2008 : 13:37:15
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| I recall hearing (but don't quote me on it) that drow and genasi will be introduced for 4E in the FRCG. I wouldn't be surprised if they turn out to be "core races". |
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BARDOBARBAROS
Senior Scribe
Greece
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Posted - 24 Mar 2008 : 14:28:59
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| What about my beloved gnomes???Perhaps Ed has something more to say about it... |
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HE DECAPITATES!!!
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 24 Mar 2008 : 15:04:00
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Originally posted by BARDOBARBAROS
What about my beloved gnomes???Perhaps Ed has something more to say about it...
Why would Ed have anything to say about it? He's not part of the D&D Extreme team... |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
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Posted - 24 Mar 2008 : 16:11:08
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by BARDOBARBAROS
What about my beloved gnomes???Perhaps Ed has something more to say about it...
Why would Ed have anything to say about it? He's not part of the D&D Extreme team...
The way I imagine Ed is acting for the 4e team now is basically him sitting on top of a train hurling through a tunnel, with him knowing there is a wall at the end of it, and him desoerately trying to pull the emergency break... |
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Zanan
Senior Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 24 Mar 2008 : 18:16:01
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
I recall hearing (but don't quote me on it) that drow and genasi will be introduced for 4E in the FRCG. I wouldn't be surprised if they turn out to be "core races".
You mean, much like they introduced the drow (and other elven subraces) plus the various planetouched et al in the FRCS? Nothing new then. Though one might see them in the MM 4E anyways ... unless it is reserved for "monsters only". |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 24 Mar 2008 : 23:26:40
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Originally posted by Zanan
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
I recall hearing (but don't quote me on it) that drow and genasi will be introduced for 4E in the FRCG. I wouldn't be surprised if they turn out to be "core races".
You mean, much like they introduced the drow (and other elven subraces) plus the various planetouched et al in the FRCS? Nothing new then. Though one might see them in the MM 4E anyways ... unless it is reserved for "monsters only".
No, it really isn't anything new.
As for gnomes, they supposedly will appear in the Monster Manual. That does not mean, however, that they will never be a player race, it just means you'll have to wait for them to show up as a player race. |
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Edited by - Rinonalyrna Fathomlin on 24 Mar 2008 23:27:24 |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 25 Mar 2008 : 14:59:25
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BARDOBARBAROS
Senior Scribe
Greece
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Posted - 25 Mar 2008 : 18:14:00
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
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Posted - 25 Mar 2008 : 18:24:21
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| Probably, when A Beer merged with its sibling planet Toril cool and new stuff was vomited all over the Realms |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 25 Mar 2008 : 18:26:09
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Originally posted by BARDOBARBAROS
What about the Dragonborn?? Would be treated as core race in the Forgotten realms Campaign setting???
Since there's now a whole nation of them, the answer is likely yes. |
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Hawkins
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Posted - 25 Mar 2008 : 19:13:16
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by BARDOBARBAROS
What about the Dragonborn?? Would be treated as core race in the Forgotten realms Campaign setting???
Since there's now a whole nation of them, the answer is likely yes.
I still don't know why they did not just create a story of how the 3e Dragonborn became the 4e Dragonborn in the Realms, instead of using the same name for different races and the really bad plot as to how they just ended up with a nation shoved on top of Unther through random lottery. I think the biggest problem with the 4e Realms (aside from the unnecessary and hasty destruction of certain people/places/et cetera) is that they are asking to suspend our disbelief in unbelievable ways. |
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Mace Hammerhand
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Posted - 25 Mar 2008 : 19:39:01
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But it's so cool...really.
If you did think I was serious with that you have really no idea how sarcastic I am |
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BARDOBARBAROS
Senior Scribe
Greece
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Posted - 25 Mar 2008 : 20:20:32
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Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand
But it's so cool...really.
 I read it on the book Wizards present : Races and classes..It gives this phrase as a short answer to the question :Why Dragonborn?
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ShadezofDis
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Posted - 25 Mar 2008 : 20:53:48
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Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
I think the biggest problem with the 4e Realms (aside from the unnecessary and hasty destruction of certain people/places/et cetera) is that they are asking to suspend our disbelief in unbelievable ways.
When they didn't have to.
That's the part that sticks in my maw.
These changes could have been done in a consistent and logical manner. I know because half of my campaign archs have been because I read a bit of lore that didn't make sense to me and I had to figure out why it would make sense. That's actually when I've been the most creative, IMO, when I have to monkey around with things in order to keep the verisimilitude. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 25 Mar 2008 : 22:13:33
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When they didn't have to.
That one sentence pretty much sums up ALL of my feelings toward 4e FR.
Over 50% of Abeir-Toril remains completely un-developed, and at least another 25% hasn't been touched in an edition or two.
I think that the Spellplague/Abeir thing was just an 'easy-out' for them, that they would not have to wrap ANY lore around. I can perfectly understand wanting to make your life easier, but when your JOB is to develop LORE, and you figure out a way of not having to do it, doesn't that mean that setting designers are no longer neccessary? 
The last thing I would want to do is prove to my bosses that what I do is not neccessary. 
Anyway, we don't have a logo come 4e, ergo we ARE CORE, despite whatever BS they tell us. Settings get logos - its part of the IP, yet all we get is the 'umbrella D&D logo'. They say we are NOT core, we are the 'default setting'... and yet... aren't they the same thing?
Most upsetting - obviously we are getting everything in core, quite simply, because we ARE. 
And we all know what happened to last 'Core' setting....... |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
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Posted - 25 Mar 2008 : 22:56:23
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The Sage
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Mace Hammerhand
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Posted - 25 Mar 2008 : 23:29:18
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Alisttair
I think Gnomes started dissappearing since 3.5 but that is only my opinion.
They are the "forgotten folk" for a reason. 
Gnomes...favored class: illu... no, wait... bard...the only bard as small as a gnome is Ronny James Dio ... well, almost as small as a gnome... I can see why bard is their favorite class |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 25 Mar 2008 : 23:51:31
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If you want to see a RW Gnome Bard - Blakkout (Note: link may not be work- or parent-friendly)
Or is she a halfling? 
Either way, she's cute as a button, and has all sorts of talent. 
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Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand
I wonder if my RANTS were read by all parties involved...I thought I spelled it out...
To be honest, I probably missed a few...
dozen.
Maybe we can get all of them collected in one place, you know, like we do with other 'reference' material.
Mod edit: Added NSFW notation, for the link. I'd really prefer a bit more care to be exercised with such links.
Edited by poster: That is why I only linked to her musical career, and not to any of her other endeavors. Nothing wrong with a little hard Rock 'N' Roll, is there?
I adjusted the Link to only refernce the one pic. |
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Chosen of Moradin
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
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Posted - 25 Mar 2008 : 23:52:58
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Markustay
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Posted - 25 Mar 2008 : 23:55:35
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| Michael J. Fox did that song in Back to the Future, although he lip-synced it, and I don't think he is quite small enough... almost. |
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Alisttair
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Posted - 26 Mar 2008 : 11:33:01
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Mace Hammerhand
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Germany
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Posted - 26 Mar 2008 : 13:39:18
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Originally posted by Alisttair
I don't know why they changed it to Bard
Well, who does? |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 26 Mar 2008 : 17:25:18
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Originally posted by BARDOBARBAROS
I read it on the book Wizards present : Races and classes..It gives this phrase as a short answer to the question :Why Dragonborn?
That's ridiculous
It is. Granted, I find the dragonborn to be interesting, but I thought the explanation for "Why Dragonborn?" in R&C left something to be desired, because it basically said, "there's just something inherently interesting about dragon characters" as if that's self-evident. |
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The Sage
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Mar 2008 : 00:21:43
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Originally posted by The Sage
I think a more important question should be... "Why Dragonborn in the Realms 4e?"
Yes, that is a good question...
Although, I'll admit that what bothers me the most is the clumsy way the dragonborn were forced into the setting (so many lands have never been detailed, but the designers HAD to erase one land to literally replace it with another?). |
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BlackAce
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 27 Mar 2008 : 16:51:42
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Originally posted by The Sage
I think a more important question should be... "Why Dragonborn in the Realms 4e?"
They're a 4e core race aren't they? In which case their presence in FR probably comes down to tie-ins and compatability for the "lure in as many fresh magic players/Drizzt fans/ newbies as we can," business pitch of 4e.
As to a canon justification, I'm sure they'll think of something....
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Hawkins
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Posted - 27 Mar 2008 : 21:01:31
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Originally posted by BlackAce
As to a canon justification, I'm sure they'll think of something....
IMO, so far they have shown no inclination to. |
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The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass
"Mmm, not the darkness," Myrin murmured. "Don't cast it there." --Erik Scott de Bie, Shadowbane
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* Compendium Arcanum Volume 1: Cantrips & Orisons (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 2: 1st-Level Spells (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Martial Arts Guidebook (forthcoming) (PFRPG, designer; Rite Publishing)
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Lokken
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Posted - 27 Mar 2008 : 23:37:39
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| Well,maybe we can expected some "new cool race" like draenei in WoW or similary ridiculous nonsense... |
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Core races in Forgotten realms in 4th edition
