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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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 Posted - 27 Mar 2008 : 23:54:56
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Originally posted by BlackAce
They're a 4e core race aren't they? In which case their presence in FR probably comes down to tie-ins and compatability for the "lure in as many fresh magic players/Drizzt fans/ newbies as we can," business pitch of 4e.
Which is kinda disappointing to hear, if that is the case.
Being such an exotic core race shouldn't be the only justification used for why a particular race may then be officially found within a setting specific campaign.
I wonder whether presenting them as a "option" would've been more appropriate.
It's likely that, as more information about the Dragonborn in the Realms is revealed... the purpose behind the decision to include them in FR 4e will become evident.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 28 Mar 2008 : 13:22:16
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Originally posted by The Sage
Being such an exotic core race shouldn't be the only justification used for why a particular race may then be officially found within a setting specific campaign.
I wonder whether presenting them as a "option" would've been more appropriate.
The rationale behind making dragonborn a core race is that the designers believe dragon characters will appeal to a lot of players (and they most likely have evidence that leads to such a conclusion).
But I would agree that just because a race is "core" doesn't mean there needs to be a very large number of them in any given setting. |
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Amluril Dire-Weaselbane
Acolyte
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 Mar 2008 : 17:54:18
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I think if you don't want Dragonborn in your campaign - don't include them!
I've been running realms campaigns for years and have largely ignored the sub-standard canon material (especially the novels) and favoured my own twist on events - It is fantasy, and fiction so events are free to be dictated by the DM.
I had a huge problem with half orcs in 3E, if we were going to have half orc core characters then why not half ogres, half giants, half fiends and half dragons, or to hell with it, half Kobolds, half stirges, half.... the list could go on (and probably does in parallel alternate reality or "crystal sphere" (remember them?))
Quite frankly come 4E (if i even decide to switch) I won't be welcoming Half Dragons or Dragontouched or whatever into my campaign, they don't fit in the realms - even Saurials didn't fit in the realms.
My patience is running thin with Wan*ers of the coast, I'm tired of events / characters / races being shunted changed and erased to suit whatever overpriced poor qualiity product they happen to be selling at the time.
Oh so sudenly we only have 3 types of elf? So how is that going to fit into the dynamics of the existing realms? What next? Humans only come in 2 colours - White and slightly creamy pink colour?
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Fillow
Master of Realmslore
France
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Posted - 30 Mar 2008 : 10:01:56
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Originally posted by Alisttair
I think Gnomes started dissappearing since 3.5 but that is only my opinion.
They are the "forgotten folk" for a reason. 
About D&D4, I believe I read that gnomes would be a playable race in ther next Monster Manual.
About FR, Authors and creators cannot have erased this race from the ground of Toril ! Even if there is no hero who is equal to Drizzt or El within the Garl children, we sometimes meet few of them in novels.
I think to a Helm priest in "Temple Hill", a community in Soldiers of Ice, the svirfs from Underdark, aso
Moreover, if the race was bound to disappear from Toril, I think we had heard about the gnome pantheon...
I agree to make an effort to a 100-years-jump, but I refuse to disappear !
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BARDOBARBAROS
Senior Scribe
Greece
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Posted - 30 Mar 2008 : 20:46:49
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Originally posted by Amluril Dire-Weaselbane
I think if you don't want Dragonborn in your campaign - don't include them!
I've been running realms campaigns for years and have largely ignored the sub-standard canon material (especially the novels) and favoured my own twist on events - It is fantasy, and fiction so events are free to be dictated by the DM.
I had a huge problem with half orcs in 3E, if we were going to have half orc core characters then why not half ogres, half giants, half fiends and half dragons, or to hell with it, half Kobolds, half stirges, half.... the list could go on (and probably does in parallel alternate reality or "crystal sphere" (remember them?))
Quite frankly come 4E (if i even decide to switch) I won't be welcoming Half Dragons or Dragontouched or whatever into my campaign, they don't fit in the realms - even Saurials didn't fit in the realms.
My patience is running thin with Wan*ers of the coast, I'm tired of events / characters / races being shunted changed and erased to suit whatever overpriced poor qualiity product they happen to be selling at the time.
Oh so sudenly we only have 3 types of elf? So how is that going to fit into the dynamics of the existing realms? What next? Humans only come in 2 colours - White and slightly creamy pink colour?
PLEASE!
There is truth in your words.. And after all if the rules of 4th edition will not satisfy us why to use them ???why not continue playing 2nd oe 3.5 edition?? The choice is ours.. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 31 Mar 2008 : 00:06:01
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As Fillow said, gnomes have not simply "disappeared" from 4E or from the FR campaign setting.
When they will be made into a player race (as opposed to simply being put in the MM) is the real question. |
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Core races in Forgotten realms in 4th edition
