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lycurgus33
Acolyte
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 Posted - 08 Mar 2008 : 06:14:17
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How many gods in the Forgotten Realms have been killed off since 1st edition? Feel free to include gods that are going to get killed when 4th edition comes out.
I bet it's beginning to look like the final scene of "The Wild Bunch" at this point.
Perhaps someone will kill off Ao by goading him to appear on a really tall wall and casting a Push spell on him. :P
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Ranak
Learned Scribe
USA
190 Posts |
Posted - 08 Mar 2008 : 06:58:09
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Not counting all the gods of Unther and the other odd ball pantheons:
Chronos (from Four from Cormyr)
Eshodow (killed by Shar)
Ibrandul (killed by Shar)
Kalzareinad (killed by Kareska)
Kiputytto (killed by Talona)
Leira (killed by Cyric and Mask, portfolio assumed by Shar)
Moander (killed by Finder W. likely to re-emerge)
Murdane (killed in Dawn Cataclysm)
Valigan Thirdborn (killed by Tyr)
Herne, Lord of the Hunt (killed by Malar) |
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lycurgus33
Acolyte
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Posted - 08 Mar 2008 : 10:45:41
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I'll toss in:
Torm (killed by Bane, resurrected)
Bane (killed by Torm, reborn)
Iyachtu Xvim (consumed by Bane)
Mystara v2
Bhaal
Myrkul
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lycurgus33
Acolyte
13 Posts |
Posted - 08 Mar 2008 : 10:48:38
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Wiki has a fairly complete list.
What a slaughterhouse.
It's getting to be a pretty lame, overused dramatic device in my opinion. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36971 Posts |
Posted - 08 Mar 2008 : 15:26:54
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Since Iyachtu Xvim and Bane are on the list, I am compelled to point out my theory: Bane is still dead, the reborn Bane is actually Iyachtu Xvim cashing in on his father's name by impersonating him. While there are hints to support this, there have been no official implications that my theory is correct.
I once thought of writing an article on dead deities, and got so far as copying some lists of dead ones from various sources. And that was it. 
Let's see, dead gods not on the list here...
Mystryl
Tyche (reborn as Tymora and Beshaba)
Karsus (technically a god, even if it was short)
Myrkul (he's already listed, but he's an odd case: he's not dead, but he's no longer a deity)
Borem of the Lake of Boling Mud (killed by the Dead Three on their way up, mostly dead)
Auppenser (mostly dead)
Re (killed by Gruumsh, Mulhorandi)
Inanna (Untheric)
Girru (Untheric)
Ki (Untheric)
Marduk (Untheric)
Nanna-Sin (Untheric)
Nergal (Untheric)
Utu (Untheric)
Gilgeam (Untheric)
Maanzecorian
Jazirian
Amaunator (temporarily, since he seems to be back in the Shattered Realms)
several deities of the Yuirwood, including one named The Simbul (from whom a particular Chosen takes her name)
Tyranthraxus the Flamed One - (possibly one of the Seven Lost Gods)
Maram of the Great Spear - (possibly one of the Seven Lost Gods)
Haask, Voice of Hargut - (possibly one of the Seven Lost Gods, trapped in Ironfang Keep)
Camnod the Unseen - (possibly one of the Seven Lost Gods)
The Dark God - (might be Moander, possibly one of the Seven Lost Gods)
Ramman
Tchazzar
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 09 Mar 2008 : 00:12:16
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Originally posted by lycurgus33
Myrkul
I wouldn't class Myrkul as "dead" -- though, what's left of Myrkul himself [within the Crown of Horns] doesn't seem to want to be a deity again. This was explicitly stated in the City of Splendors boxed set:-
"Myrkul actually enjoys his new existence and the ability to foment dissent, chaos, and death without the strictures inherent in being one of Ao's gods; his greatest satisfaction is in disrupting the organization of the Cyric-worshipers and in destroying any worshipers of Mystra (who caused Myrkul's destruction)."
I don't think it's really any surprise that Myrkul "enjoys" his current state. Being somewhat removed from under Ao's divine thumb would certainly have its advantages... especially for a former deity who still likes to meddle in mortal affairs -- fear and terror can still be powerful "weapons of influence" in his arsenal, just as his unpredictability still would be.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 09 Mar 2008 : 00:23:02
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A couple of others I've got listed, that aren't specifically mentioned here:-
- Felidae [Beast Cult Goddess of Felines, Sensual Pleasures, and Nomads, her portfolio and position were subsumed by Bast]
- The Great Wolf Spirit [deity of the wolf-weres of the Frozen Forest, slain by Malar in 1358]
- Othea [dead giant goddess, the lover of Ulutiu]
- Ulutiu [slumbering in the Astral Plane]
- Zandilar the Dancer [elven Goddess of love (passionate, physcial love which burns hot but eventually dies out...) - worshipped by the elves of the Yuirwood, her essence merged with that of Bast]
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Zanan
Senior Scribe
Germany
942 Posts |
Posted - 09 Mar 2008 : 18:10:09
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| Why'd Moander make a return? He's got Lolth and FInder in front of him, using his portfolios. Neither will be willing to let him sneak past. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 09 Mar 2008 : 18:16:47
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Ack!
Don't tell me I remember one thats not on one of your lists! 
Herne - Killed by Malar in Evermeet: Isle of Elves.
Interesting Note - the North-eastern portion of the Sempadan Forest (near the Utter East) is called "Herne's Woods". |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 09 Mar 2008 : 19:45:21
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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
Ack!
Don't tell me I remember one thats not on one of your lists!
You didn't.
Herne is the last entry in Ranak's post.  |
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Na-Gang
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
348 Posts |
Posted - 10 Mar 2008 : 10:46:43
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Originally posted by Ranak
Leira (killed by Cyric and Mask, portfolio assumed by Shar)
I thought Cyric had assumed her portfolio of deception, making him the Prince of Lies. No? |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 10 Mar 2008 : 16:26:16
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Originally posted by Na-Gang
quote:
Originally posted by Ranak
Leira (killed by Cyric and Mask, portfolio assumed by Shar)
I thought Cyric had assumed her portfolio of deception, making him the Prince of Lies. No?
That's correct. Cyric is also the god of illusions, too.
I don't recall Shar getting anything from Leira. |
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Aravine
Senior Scribe
USA
608 Posts |
Posted - 10 Mar 2008 : 16:56:43
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If people from hasbro see this:
STOP KILLING FAERUNIAN DIETIES! we like wars of epic proportion but not so you kill off all the dieties someone has a beef wit
P.S: if you think about it, Helm kind of had it coming... |
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Ranak
Learned Scribe
USA
190 Posts |
Posted - 10 Mar 2008 : 17:24:47
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I suspect Moander will come back because of the move toward Elder Evil type entities, Far Realm stuff, with which Moander just plain fits. Plus I believe it has been hinted that he never really goes away, he just festers for awhile and resurfaces.
Maybe he (it) will merge with Ghaunadaur, or maybe they will both fall under Tylona as exarch type champions...
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Originally posted by Zanan
Why'd Moander make a return? He's got Lolth and FInder in front of him, using his portfolios. Neither will be willing to let him sneak past.
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
Finland
1564 Posts |
Posted - 10 Mar 2008 : 19:31:31
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Originally posted by Ranak
I suspect Moander will come back because of the move toward Elder Evil type entities, Far Realm stuff, with which Moander just plain fits. Plus I believe it has been hinted that he never really goes away, he just festers for awhile and resurfaces.
Maybe he (it) will merge with Ghaunadaur, or maybe they will both fall under Tylona as exarch type champions...
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Originally posted by Zanan
Why'd Moander make a return? He's got Lolth and FInder in front of him, using his portfolios. Neither will be willing to let him sneak past.
Moander's return was indeed introduced as an adventure seed in the fantastic 'Power of Faerun', but as WoTC has usually paid very little attention to "previous edition" story seeds (e.g. the Manshoon Wars) and this time they're brutally trimming down the Pantheon, I truly doubt that Moander will be included in the FR Pantheon. Frankly, I suspect that Ol' Moldy will, at most, be retconned as always having been an "aspect" of Ghaunadaur. Most likely Moander will be conveniently "forgotten" or merged with Ghaunadaur. In any case Moander won't exist as a separate entity anymore.  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 11 Mar 2008 : 00:08:58
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Ghaunadaur's already got enough going in the "aspect" department.
From Demihuman Deities:- "Although Ghaunadaur is a distinct entity unrelated to the tanar'ri lord Juiblex, the Faceless Lord, or the otherwise unnamed Elder Elemental God neither of the latter two powers is active in the Realms, and Ghaunadaur has assumed both of their aspects within the crystal sphere of Realmspace."
Read the claim about the Elder Elemental God in light of the fact that much of Ghaunadaur's writeup is taken directly from descriptions of the EEG, which is itself distinct from Juiblex.
Juiblex is a Demon Lord in the D&D core rules. In the Realms, he had some worshipers in 2e's Thay IIRC. When Demihuman Deities, and the other god books, were being worked on there was some desire to tidy up some of the gods, thus Juiblex became an aspect of Ghaunadaur in the Realms. Similar things happened to the 2e god of liches in Monster Mythology becoming an aspect of Velsharoon and Sseth garnering many different aspects.
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Yasraena Dawndancer
Acolyte
USA
13 Posts |
Posted - 11 Mar 2008 : 10:18:15
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Add Kirisanalee and Vhaerun to that list...
I am praying they don't add Eilistraee... I will quit Forgotten Realms then. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 Mar 2008 : 13:31:03
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| Eilistraee is around at the moment, but even then she isn't the same as she once was. |
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Edited by - Rinonalyrna Fathomlin on 11 Mar 2008 13:34:11 |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
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Posted - 11 Mar 2008 : 13:43:35
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Originally posted by Yasraena Dawndancer
Add Kirisanalee and Vhaerun to that list...
I am praying they don't add Eilistraee... I will quit Forgotten Realms then.
As the new Realms are not my thing anyways, and one of my players would be majorly pissed off if Eilistraee was dead, I'll also ignore that bit. |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 13 Mar 2008 : 13:35:13
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If I flip through the pages of the Faiths and Pantheons book in the Minor Deities section, I am sure I will see many names for the last time  |
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BARDOBARBAROS
Senior Scribe
Greece
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Posted - 13 Mar 2008 : 15:16:06
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quote:
Originally posted by Aravine
If people from hasbro see this:
STOP KILLING FAERUNIAN DIETIES! we like wars of epic proportion but not so you kill off all the dieties someone has a beef wit
P.S: if you think about it, Helm kind of had it coming...
Yes...Yes ...Yes...I'm with you Aravine..
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 13 Mar 2008 : 15:22:43
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| The entire changing of pantheons and stuff reminds me of Aschenputtel (Cinderella) where the evil step-sister cuts off her toes to fit into the shoe and the other one cuts off her heels. They're cutting off toes and heels from the Realms... I guess my mutilation analogy in one of my rants seems rather adequate. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 13 Mar 2008 : 19:07:52
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| Not to mention that mutilation gets blood everywhere... |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 13 Mar 2008 : 19:45:27
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quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Not to mention that mutilation gets blood everywhere...
Quite literally...
If only they had made it ... logical |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 Mar 2008 : 20:01:05
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quote:
Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Not to mention that mutilation gets blood everywhere...
Quite literally...
If only they had made it ... logical
Now why would they go and make things logical when its so much more fun to complicate things  |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
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Aravine
Senior Scribe
USA
608 Posts |
Posted - 18 Mar 2008 : 14:42:59
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| You know, I'm extremely surprised that no one made a comment about my comment that Helm knida had it coming... |
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Aravine
Senior Scribe
USA
608 Posts |
Posted - 18 Mar 2008 : 17:09:52
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quote:
Originally posted by BARDOBARBAROS
quote:
Originally posted by Aravine
If people from hasbro see this:
STOP KILLING FAERUNIAN DIETIES! we like wars of epic proportion but not so you kill off all the dieties someone has a beef wit
P.S: if you think about it, Helm kind of had it coming...
Yes...Yes ...Yes...I'm with you Aravine..
Thank you.
You know, I'm kind of surprised no one has jumped to defend Helm the Everwatchful. Does everyone think he had it coming? |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 18 Mar 2008 : 19:36:35
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quote:
Originally posted by Aravine
You know, I'm kind of surprised no one has jumped to defend Helm the Everwatchful. Does everyone think he had it coming?
No, it's just that (personally) I don't jump up to contradict every single post I happen to disagree with.
Also, since you're saying you're surprised that no one reacted as you expected them to, to me that suggests that comment was likely intended mainly to provoke people--not necessarily out of malice, but it's something I don't always want to respond to. |
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Edited by - Rinonalyrna Fathomlin on 18 Mar 2008 19:39:59 |
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ShadezofDis
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 18 Mar 2008 : 20:40:28
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Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand
Is complicated a new way of saying frakking things up?
You know, I typically like the "frakking things up" because it makes me get creative with lore (in fact, I've created a sizable plot in my campaign based off of nonsensical lore and had the inspiration for a malarite heresy from that lore) but this whole horse poo with the gods is pretty frickin unsalvageable.
I mean, maybe if I created a conspiracy of gods who worked together to dull other gods senses and influence their actions then I might be able to swallow it. But hot damn, that's a hard cookie to sell.... maybe adding in some outsider lords to the mix...
Anyhow, one of my biggest problems with deities in the Realms is that they are both nearly impossible to kill and frighteningly easy to kill. |
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Aravine
Senior Scribe
USA
608 Posts |
Posted - 18 Mar 2008 : 21:32:11
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quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
quote:
Originally posted by Aravine
You know, I'm kind of surprised no one has jumped to defend Helm the Everwatchful. Does everyone think he had it coming?
No, it's just that (personally) I don't jump up to contradict every single post I happen to disagree with.
Also, since you're saying you're surprised that no one reacted as you expected them to, to me that suggests that comment was likely intended mainly to provoke people--not necessarily out of malice, but it's something I don't always want to respond to.
FIt wasn't designed to provoke response, but people seem to respond to thimgs like this. |
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