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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 14 Nov 2007 :  16:37:40  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Yup, I said "failure".

Okay, so we only know a little of what's coming. But here's a couple of things I've noted.

First, from Anauroch: The Empire of Shade, page 4, boldfacing mine:

quote:

In –700 DR, while she was contributing to the Roll of Years, the seer known as Augathra the Mad began having dark visions. The Book of the Black was the result of those horrifying prophesies. Tormented by the Black Chronology she saw woven between the years, Augathra began wandering Faerūn, slowly being driven insane and earning her moniker.

After years of being lost, the Book of the Black came into the possession of the Dark Diviners of Windsong Tower, who retrieved it from the Fane of Shadows in 684 DR. Inspired by the Book of the Black and their own ability to see the future, the Dark Diviners of Windsong Tower deduced a coming weakness of Shar and penned their observations in a second tome, the Leaves of One Night.

Shar immediately cursed the Diviners’ writings, and shortly thereafter, thieves in the employ of the Church of Shar stole the Diviners’ copy of the Book of the Black, as well as the only copy of the Leaves of One Night.



We also know of the Black Chronology, from Cormyr, Tearing of the Weave. The intro of it seems to indicate that the starting date of the Black Chronology wasn't known until it actually kicked off, in 1352. The Black Chronology only goes up to 1385, the Year of the Revelation -- more commonly known as the Year of Blue Fire, when the Spellplague kicks off.

We know that Shar controls the Shadow Weave. We know from Ed that if the Weave goes kaput, so does the Shadow Weave -- because you can't have a shadow without it being a shadow of something. And we know that the Weave is soon to exit, stage left, because of the Spellplague. So that means the Shadow Weave, which Shar was counting on as a source of power, will go bye-bye. Mystra is tied to the Weave, and it's not unlikely that Shar is tied to the Shadow Weave.

So Shar is going to lose a source of her power, and it happens in the same year that is the apparent ending date of the Black Chronology.

With this string of possibly coincidental facts and suppositions, it is possible that the whole mess is going to backfire in Shar's face. It could cause her a major loss of power -- or it could be something as extreme as seeing Shar fall and be replaced.

Okay, my wild speculations are done. Run with them!

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Posted - 14 Nov 2007 :  17:19:06  Show Profile  Visit Hawkins's Homepage Send Hawkins a Private Message  Reply with Quote
That seems to indicate that she will not get the portfolio of Magic upon Mystra's death. That makes me happy. From what they have said about the 4e Pantheon, it looks like Corellon may somehow end up with it. I also like that is seems to imply that by helping Cyric murder Mystra (which Shar though would benefit her or she would not have aided Cyric), she actually weakened herself. Maybe she and Selune will be on an even playing field now. I also like the hook in the 3e FRCS (IIRC) that says that Selune may bring back that other Netherese city that worships her to do battle with the Empire of Shade.

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Chosen of Moradin
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Posted - 14 Nov 2007 :  17:44:05  Show Profile  Visit Chosen of Moradin's Homepage Send Chosen of Moradin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The hook is in Lost Empires of Faerūn.
And I“m using it in one of my campaigns, right now. The idea is: make a great noise about bring back Selunarra to the Realms, to be a match to the city of Tulthantar.

But this is only the smoke, in the campaign...

The fire is with the pc“s, collecting the udoxias, and going to the Astral, using the artifacts to renew the strenght of Auppenser.

The point is: no matter how good are the Selunarra“s population, Weave magic have some problems against Shadow Weave magic... but the sharrans are not prepared to fight against a new flow of psionics, and psion-priests of Auppenser.

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Chosen of Moradin
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And, talking about the topic, it will be really interesting, if everything turns against Shar, in the end. I“m a little tired to see the bad guys gaining the day in all their maneuvers...

And it will be interesting to another point: Cyric is so pathetic (my personal opinion about the thief as man and as god), that it“s atracting bad luck... poor Shar.

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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 14 Nov 2007 :  18:20:05  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
By the way, the bit about Shar's weakness has been around for a while--at least since the novel Mistress of the Night came out. That's when we first see a part (not the whole) of the Leaves of One Night. The book is used again in the Twilight War trilogy (which also mentions Shar's upcoming weakness).

Of course, I'm a bit skeptical, because it seems like Shar is WotC's favorite deity. She's been coming out on top again and again (at least, that's the impression I've been getting from recent products).

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quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin


Of course, I'm a bit skeptical, because it seems like Shar is WotC's favorite deity. She's been coming out on top again and again (at least, that's the impression I've been getting from recent products).

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Posted - 15 Nov 2007 :  21:29:05  Show Profile  Visit Snotlord's Homepage Send Snotlord a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

And we know that the Weave is soon to exit, stage left, because of the Spellplague.


Do we know that for a fact? Mystra have died repeatedly, only to return. Do we know it will be different this time?
Part of the designers plan (as I understand it) is to finally resolve the Time of Troubles story, so I can see why Mystra has to go for good... but why the Weave?

Interesting topic.
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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by Snotlord

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

And we know that the Weave is soon to exit, stage left, because of the Spellplague.


Do we know that for a fact? Mystra have died repeatedly, only to return. Do we know it will be different this time?
Part of the designers plan (as I understand it) is to finally resolve the Time of Troubles story, so I can see why Mystra has to go for good... but why the Weave?

Interesting topic.



It says in the 1385 entry of the Grand History of the Realms that the Weave is destroyed.

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Daviot
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Posted - 16 Nov 2007 :  02:48:08  Show Profile  Visit Daviot's Homepage Send Daviot a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So then Wooly, what does your mischievous self surmise the Dark Diviners meant by a "weakness of Shar"? I would assume, naturally, that when the Weave goes boink in the Year of Blue Fire, the Shadow Weave, as a reflection tied to it is also going with it, but it feels as if there's something else meant by the Dark Diviners' use of "weakness".

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Wooly Rupert
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I've not really figured it out... Though I do think that Shar losing the Shadow Weave is going to leave her open to something more serious. Maybe she'll be weakened to the point that Bane or Mask can strike, weakening her further.

I don't see Shar dying from this, but I do anticipate a serious reduction in power, once it's all done.

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Daviot
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Posted - 16 Nov 2007 :  04:36:22  Show Profile  Visit Daviot's Homepage Send Daviot a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I don't see Shar dying from this, but I do anticipate a serious reduction in power, once it's all done.


Nor do I. The Lady of Loss is one of the creator deities of the Realms, after all. She and her sister have tenure.

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Purple Dragon Knight
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I agree with some of the posters here: the Shadow Weave is tied to the Weave, and Shar's constant harassment on the Weave will be her undoing. She will realize this too late. I think the uniting of two worlds we've been hearing in rumors will be Faerun and the Plane of Shadow. When that happens, all the deities of Faerun are going to be in for a shock. We'll be seeing one big "Dark Faerun" episode for a while, a "Dark Realms" of sorts. The Empire of Shade will be like kids in a candy store, but in the end, big heroes will discorporate Faerun from the Shadow Plane. Ends the Spellplague and all sorts of things go back to normal, including dead gods coming back to life.

One does not have to be a genius to see that Rich Baker is currently drawing heavily on the Marvel Comics model of utterly completely free artistic license later undone by realigning of cosmic forces...

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Ergdusch
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Wooly, this is another outburst of your crazy twisted mind - really! But...


if this turns out to be anything but near to the truth I'd be more than happy. I never liked that dark b**** and with Mystra possibly gone it deserves her right to not go out of this unscratched! I do like your twisted thoights on this.........

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sleyvas
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>>Okay, my wild speculations are done. Run with them!

Ok, I love speculations. Shar's going to drop in power. Set, who is the deity of dark magic in the Mulhorandi Pantheon, uses this as a moment to wipe out Shar and seed himself even further into the Faerunian pantheon (besides taking over Sseth).

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IIRC, in the WotC forums Rich hinted that Selśne's power may be "waxing" (my term, not his, or if it is his I didn't remember) again in 4e. By 3e she had been reduced to an intermediate deity. So, even if Shar is not reduced from her current greater deity status, it would be cool to see her sister (the yang to her yin, the second of the two primordial goddesses) rise to balance out the powers of light and darkness again.

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Posted - 16 Nov 2007 :  18:46:59  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight

I agree with some of the posters here: the Shadow Weave is tied to the Weave, and Shar's constant harassment on the Weave will be her undoing. She will realize this too late.


What's funny is you'd think Shar would already be aware of such things, and smart enough not to work against herself like that...

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quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

quote:
Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight

I agree with some of the posters here: the Shadow Weave is tied to the Weave, and Shar's constant harassment on the Weave will be her undoing. She will realize this too late.

What's funny is you'd think Shar would already be aware of such things, and smart enough not to work against herself like that...

It is amazing how blinding hubris can be!

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

quote:
Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight

I agree with some of the posters here: the Shadow Weave is tied to the Weave, and Shar's constant harassment on the Weave will be her undoing. She will realize this too late.


What's funny is you'd think Shar would already be aware of such things, and smart enough not to work against herself like that...



Unless she expected to either grab the Weave for herself, or didn't think it would collapse.

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Ramar
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Posted - 22 Nov 2007 :  15:28:00  Show Profile  Visit Ramar's Homepage Send Ramar a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Didn't the "merging of two worlds" already occur in Shadowstorm?
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Snotlord

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

And we know that the Weave is soon to exit, stage left, because of the Spellplague.


Do we know that for a fact? Mystra have died repeatedly, only to return. Do we know it will be different this time?
Part of the designers plan (as I understand it) is to finally resolve the Time of Troubles story, so I can see why Mystra has to go for good... but why the Weave?

Interesting topic.



It says in the 1385 entry of the Grand History of the Realms that the Weave is destroyed.



There is something in all the speculations that I don't understand. If the weave is destroyed is it not supposed to mean no more magic ?

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quote:
Originally posted by Akeri Rualuavain

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Snotlord

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

And we know that the Weave is soon to exit, stage left, because of the Spellplague.


Do we know that for a fact? Mystra have died repeatedly, only to return. Do we know it will be different this time?
Part of the designers plan (as I understand it) is to finally resolve the Time of Troubles story, so I can see why Mystra has to go for good... but why the Weave?

Interesting topic.



It says in the 1385 entry of the Grand History of the Realms that the Weave is destroyed.



There is something in all the speculations that I don't understand. If the weave is destroyed is it not supposed to mean no more magic ?



That assumption is correct. However,we'lll have to wait for the 4th ed. FRCS to see how things will actually be without the Weave. It might be that the Weave actually did vanished completely, leaving all Weave Users to be nothing more than very literate people.... This uncertainty - what will be? - is the essense of the entire specualtion here.........

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Akeri Rualuavain
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Ok, I'm glad that I understood after all.

TO go back to the subject. I don't think that Corellon would be suitable choice, would leave only the elves with magic. Not really fun for the human mages... Nor for the player in my opinion.

As for Shar getting it, I don't think I would like that. She could keep the shadow Weave, but could it possibly goes to her Sister Selune ? That would be a funny choice and maybe equilibrate their forces ?

Or maybe just a new Mystra... They're already have been tree of them, why not a fourth one ?

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Ok.. so, Mystra Dies, the Weave is destroyed and Shar puts the blame onto Cyric, who gets the punishment, leaving her free to do whatever with Selśne.

What part of this is a failure? I believe that the Lady of Loss wouldn't mind losing a part of her power in exchange for one of her enemies death.
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quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

quote:
Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight

I agree with some of the posters here: the Shadow Weave is tied to the Weave, and Shar's constant harassment on the Weave will be her undoing. She will realize this too late.


What's funny is you'd think Shar would already be aware of such things, and smart enough not to work against herself like that...



I don't think so... She is a goddess and exept the actual Mystra who was a mortal, she is tied to her primal vocation. Like a madman to it'S madness. She don't see it because that reality cannot exist in her "world"

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BlackMoria
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The Weave is gone as indicated in the GHotR. As is the Shadow Weave.

This is supported by various commentaries by WOTC.

Rich Baker has stated that the new FRCG will adhere to changes to the magic system made in 4E. Thus, the Weave must go in favor of another power source / interface for magic to work, because the magic system in 4e will undergo a major overhaul.

He has also made comment that the Shadow Weave was a bad idea (it was his idea) for a number of reasons. Therefore, read in that the Shadow Weave will be gone in the 4e FRCG.

Magic in the FR post spellplague will work very different than the magic system in 3E. This is the justification for all the godly drama and the spellplague.
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nb_nmare
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Posted - 22 Nov 2007 :  19:08:57  Show Profile  Visit nb_nmare's Homepage Send nb_nmare a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I wonder if WotC will bother to address the subject of creatures which depend on the Weave for their very existence (of which the phaerimmm are probably the most prominent example)...

Edited by - nb_nmare on 22 Nov 2007 19:09:38
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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quote:
Originally posted by Ramar

Didn't the "merging of two worlds" already occur in Shadowstorm?



Good question, but I have the feeling that what happened in that novel wasn't the "merging of worlds" that everyone is talking about.

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Originally posted by Akeri Rualuavain

TO go back to the subject. I don't think that Corellon would be suitable choice, would leave only the elves with magic. Not really fun for the human mages... Nor for the player in my opinion.


It's not like humans can't follow Corellon. Also, Corellon was discussed in a recent article regarding the "core" setting (on wizards.com), and he was mentioned as having plenty of non-elven followers. I think Corellon is going to be tweaked around a bit for 4E.

quote:
Or maybe just a new Mystra... They're already have been tree of them, why not a fourth one ?



Because Rich Baker has stated (again, on the WotC boards) that he and the other designers had come to see Mystra as a liability to the setting--or at least, they felt she was perceived by customers as a liability to the setting. So killing Mystra off would be pointless if they were just going to replace her with yet another Mystra! It wouldn't solve the problem that they thought was there.

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Akeri Rualuavain
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

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Originally posted by Akeri Rualuavain

[quote]Or maybe just a new Mystra... They're already have been tree of them, why not a fourth one ?



Because Rich Baker has stated (again, on the WotC boards) that he and the other designers had come to see Mystra as a liability to the setting--or at least, they felt she was perceived by customers as a liability to the setting. So killing Mystra off would be pointless if they were just going to replace her with yet another Mystra! It wouldn't solve the problem that they thought was there.



I have to say I don't exacly undestand which is the probleme with mystra and the lyability to the setting...



Also, what will appen to all her Chosen ? Will they all died ?

Sorry for my bad English, I'm french born

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Edited by - Akeri Rualuavain on 22 Nov 2007 22:31:13
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Akeri Rualuavain

I have to say I don't exacly undestand which is the probleme with mystra and the lyability to the setting...


Nor do I. I never thought Mystra was a "problem" character. But a lot of people (and again--I don't agree with these people) claim that Mystra and her Chosen are too powerful, too good, that they somehow "dominate" the setting and in doing so remove the spotlight from PCs. I don't know if these complainers represent the majority of Realms fans, but obviously, these complaints about Mystra seem to have been taken to heart by the 4E FR design team (and I wouldn't be surprised if the people on the design team agree with them!). So, Mystra goes "bye-bye" and she isn't going to be replaced, either by yet another Mystra or a different character with the same role as the old Mystra.

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Also, what will appen to all her Chosen ? Will they all died ?



We know Elminster will still be around. As for the rest of the Chosen: we don't know. However, there was a lot of hubbub a couple of months ago when one of the designers (I think Chris Perkins) said that WotC didn't want "omnipotent forces for good" in the Realms (meaning the Chosen), and that fans of the Chosen could expect to be unhappy with their fates. :-/

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Akeri Rualuavain
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If it appens, I defently not going to play 4e edition... I was not really interested in the first matter and the more I learn about it the more uninterested I became to play it...

Sorry for my bad English, I'm french born

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