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Lilianviaten
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 Posted - 19 Oct 2014 : 22:38:04
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oh god i cant see why people like that. the cjarcters feel tiny, like they came from a doll house. most charcters lack the larger then life feel but they really really seem small.
Sopranos with dragons and zombies fits, though i would know why fucos on a lowly looting parasite.
i loved Red Steel setting though. anyone play that?
I don't know what you mean about the characters feeling tiny. Yeah, they are not superpowered like Elminster or Szass Tam, but has no relevance on creating a fine story. Lord of the Rings also had very few displays of great power, but it was a magnificent story. Keep in mind also that magic is making a comeback in Westeros. We have no idea how powerful Bran's warging, Melisandre's sorcery, or Danaerys's control over her dragons will be by the end of the series. |
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Lilianviaten
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Posted - 19 Oct 2014 : 22:39:48
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or about a genius that stops the motor of the world...(tiny spoiler but its in the back cover)
and i think you mean Super-elf-orc genius hehehehe. but really i never got who would not love BIG HEROES. i want someone i can look up to, not someone to look down at, or even with self-reassuring smirk at.
i never got who would devote a book to a little worm like the Tony Soprano type. i mean those are the kind of people that if u see them u go "man what a little dependent piece of crap, hope he gets whats coming to him" and pass on and never think of them. maybe to get an insight into their psychology but i would view that more as a chore then an astehtic exprince.
p.s. and you forgot the canon ball sized biceps. XD.
actually if u want his closest figure think of Iron Man or Batman. no super powers but just really smart guys with morals of titanium!(and a good body, but u can be sure that they work on it using their intelligence)
btw i work as a fitness trainer, pecs and biceps are the most easy muscles to enlarge to impressive size.
I've seen you post a lot about what you dislike, which is fine, but what are some Realms novels (or Realms characters) that you enjoy? |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 20 Oct 2014 : 02:12:50
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Just interjecting that I, too, really liked the Red Steel setting. So much high-density fantasy lore in so few pages. I cant say I found it all agreeable, but I do value its ability to capture so much contextual largess in such a small package, something that mainstream settings like the Realms, Greyhawk, Dragonlance, Planescape, etc just cant approach.
Surprisingly, the closest philosophically-bent characters I can recall from Realmslore might be Cyric, Szass Tam, and that annoying halfling vermin Olive Ruskettle. Antihero sorts like Erevis Cale, Rivalen, and Mask sometimes make philosophically significant statements, but they arent in my opinion properly philosophical.
The Realms is just too wishy-washy and morally relatistic to take strong stances. Sophistry is basically just subsumed into magical illusions and enchantments. Self-determinism just doesnt exist in a word full of divination, prophecy, and mortal-crushing deific powers. Humanism is only emphasized when melodramatic victims or righteously pure heroes (with access to superhuman backup) need to shine. Pragmatic utilitarianism only emphasizes the inhumanly ruthless and detached intellect of mustache-twirling megavillains. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 20 Oct 2014 : 02:16:19
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| I suppose old emo Drizzt might be an opportunistic philosopher of sorts. I have not and do not read all those Drizzy trilogies, by choice, so I am unqualified to condemn this aspect of the characters personality. |
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Xal Valzar
Learned Scribe
Argentina
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Posted - 20 Oct 2014 : 04:02:44
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Originally posted by Lilianviaten
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Originally posted by Xal Valzar
or about a genius that stops the motor of the world...(tiny spoiler but its in the back cover)
and i think you mean Super-elf-orc genius hehehehe. but really i never got who would not love BIG HEROES. i want someone i can look up to, not someone to look down at, or even with self-reassuring smirk at.
i never got who would devote a book to a little worm like the Tony Soprano type. i mean those are the kind of people that if u see them u go "man what a little dependent piece of crap, hope he gets whats coming to him" and pass on and never think of them. maybe to get an insight into their psychology but i would view that more as a chore then an astehtic exprince.
p.s. and you forgot the canon ball sized biceps. XD.
actually if u want his closest figure think of Iron Man or Batman. no super powers but just really smart guys with morals of titanium!(and a good body, but u can be sure that they work on it using their intelligence)
btw i work as a fitness trainer, pecs and biceps are the most easy muscles to enlarge to impressive size.
I've seen you post a lot about what you dislike, which is fine, but what are some Realms novels (or Realms characters) that you enjoy?
well i LOVE DRIZZT!!! hes soo cool, espically in his young days when he was more morally sure.
also i started reading Swordmage and though it stats out horribly for the charcter i still want to read it.
Also i want to read the Elfsong seiries. |
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Xal Valzar
Learned Scribe
Argentina
214 Posts |
Posted - 20 Oct 2014 : 04:42:12
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Originally posted by Lilianviaten
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Originally posted by Xal Valzar
oh god i cant see why people like that. the cjarcters feel tiny, like they came from a doll house. most charcters lack the larger then life feel but they really really seem small.
Sopranos with dragons and zombies fits, though i would know why fucos on a lowly looting parasite.
i loved Red Steel setting though. anyone play that?
I don't know what you mean about the characters feeling tiny. Yeah, they are not superpowered like Elminster or Szass Tam, but has no relevance on creating a fine story. Lord of the Rings also had very few displays of great power, but it was a magnificent story. Keep in mind also that magic is making a comeback in Westeros. We have no idea how powerful Bran's warging, Melisandre's sorcery, or Danaerys's control over her dragons will be by the end of the series.
i dont mean that there tiny in power sense, i mean it in a moral sense. you never know why they choose the values and goals they do. they just choose it because......
also there are very few isntances of bravery and with good reason becuase no one can really say he has a cuase that would promote bravery.
if someone does get a lofty ideal he usually ends up dead, and in a cruel way. like Eward Stark. thats a horrible cynical story in essence. its a remant of the middle ages which were the worst period to live in. even 1000 years before it was better to be a Greek or a Roman.
also Fuedalism was built around religous mystcism, which we do not see at all in Wesetros. |
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