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Mkhaiwati
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 12 Oct 2007 : 18:04:34
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I had been saying that I would wait and see what was in the FRCG before actually saying yea or nay, but within the last week, I have decided that I will not be following FR into 4e. Why?
Simply put, I am not done telling the stories I want to tell and help others tell for the Realms using 3e products.
2e products seemed to me to have more sourcebooks and local lore. With 3e, however, we got Powers of Faerun, Dragons, Champions of Valor and Ruin, and Lost Empires. Those are great books, and the possibilities of adventure are enormous. I have just started exploring the tip of the iceberg for adventure ideas. The groups in the two Champion groups are great additions (both allied and against the PCs) to any campaign. And you can set a campaign in the new land on the Dragon Reach that is religiously affiliated (can't remember the new land's name, but it sounds Point's of Light-ish). The 3e staff had a great run in non-regional sourcebooks with these books.
3e's biggest failings are the lack of regional sourcebooks. With all the changes in places like Cormyr (the most questions asked of Ed for regions) there should have been a sourcebook for it. One of the biggest complaints in Enworld with FR is the fact you need the past sourcebooks. Duh, lack of regional sourcebooks was the largest problem; there wasn't anything detailing the changes to Cormyr or the Dales in 3e. I could set an entire campaign to 20th level just in Cormyr after the Dragon (another complaint on enworld: too much detail so there wasn't enough adventuring left in the detailed areas. Stupid complaint, look at Cormyr!)
The biggest difference between this timeline shift and the Time of Troubles is that you could ignore the ToT and continue purchasing the sourcebooks. This is different in that a 100 year jump makes most of the current lore obsolete.
With them advancing the timeline a bunch, and then saying to players to forget current campaigns, it makes all my stories, ideas, and plans worthless. I am not ready to give them up. I still want to tell them. To help a party tell their stories. If I want to continue with these stories, I won't follow 4E or the new FRCG.
WotC could have handled it very differently, to allow campaigns to use all the wonderful products from previous editions, but they didn't. They gave in to those who don't play FR and are wiping the slate. I am sure I could tell plenty of stories with 4e and the new realms, but they just aren't the same.
That is why I am not going 4e.
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Kuje
Great Reader
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7915 Posts |
Posted - 14 Oct 2007 : 20:01:01
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Rich's posts from the WOTC boards from yesterday.
"Actually, that's what we're doing with most of the deities.
We have an idea that we'd like the pantheon to get smaller, in that the number of deities heading up continent-spanning faiths probably ought to be more like 20 or 30 instead of 150-ish. The process of "tidying up" is going to include some steps that are "in-story" and some steps that are "out-story." And we decided that several different mechanisms would be at work, just so that it wouldn't seem quite so heavy-handed. Deities like Mystra, Helm, and Laduguer actually get killed (as you've seen in the Grand History); later on we'll simply present other deities as minor gods, demigods, or divine figures associated with the greater deities who still head up major faiths. Siamorphe, for example, can just be part of Tyr's celestial court. Clangeddin Silverbeard can be Moradin's two-fisted champion brawler who goes off and thumps on whatever Moradin wants thumped on. That's where we're heading with most of the existing deities... unless some happen to get killed outright."
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"I don't have the pantheon plans right in front of me, but I'm guessing that it's more likely that you would play a cleric of Oghma or Tymora instead... who personally reveres Finder Wyvernspur as the demipower who really speaks to what he thinks is important. (Or whatever greater power is most closely affiliated with Finder, I don't know off the top of my head.)
Yes, we expect to have a countdown of preview articles. I'll say more on that later when I can." |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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7915 Posts |
Posted - 14 Oct 2007 : 22:51:06
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Rich's posts from the WOTC boards today.
"I can't really give you an answer on that yet. Suffice it to say that your cleric (or whatever) will have the option of matching his deity's alignment or staying a bit "off" the deity's alignment, but won't be allowed to choose an opposing alignment."
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
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1727 Posts |
Posted - 15 Oct 2007 : 14:32:20
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The reason I say this: I see Khelben saying something to the effect of: "Over my dead body..."
Nah--he'd just arch an eyebrow, stare a while until the subject became uncomfortable, and softly say, "Indeed?" before dissolving away. 
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Wizbane
Acolyte
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Posted - 15 Oct 2007 : 17:03:00
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
Nah--he'd just arch an eyebrow, stare a while until the subject became uncomfortable, and softly say, "Indeed?" before dissolving away.
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On a completely different topic, but related to 4E FR: today I received my Grand History and I noticed, at first glance, that there are not many explicit mentions of wood elves and wild elves, while there is a persistent use of the green elves reference (there is a map tough with "wild elves" forests marked).
I'm not 100% sure tough, and a more accurate reading would be in order before making any statement.
But could it be that wild vs. wood elves is going to be demoted to a flavor only distinction between two groups belonging to the same subrace, green elves? Chances are the subrace will be only one in the PHB.
Same suspect I have for sun elves and star elves, difficult to say tough. After all there could be new rules for racial characterization that we don't know yet.
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Kuje
Great Reader
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7915 Posts |
Posted - 15 Oct 2007 : 17:09:49
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Originally posted by Wizbane
But could it be that wild vs. wood elves is going to be demoted to a flavor only distinction between two groups belonging to the same subrace, green elves? Chances are the subrace will be only one in the PHB.
Wizbane
If they do this then it's a return to how these two races were in 1e and 2e and in those books they were called green elves, amongst other names. As I said in my game thread, the other day, I'm still not sure why WOTC split them into 2 subraces when they used to be 1 subrace. |
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BlackMoria
Acolyte
Canada
36 Posts |
Posted - 15 Oct 2007 : 19:43:30
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| Based on comments that 4e FRCG will cleave closely to 4e D&D core rules, I think some of the races of elves will be retcon by the Spellplague as Eladrins. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 15 Oct 2007 : 19:46:35
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From Bruce Cordell's WOTC journal, which was posted today.
"It's been some time since I've had a moment to post, sorry about that. I had a week of vacation somewhere in there, so that is part of it.
Anyway, I'm back.
As some of you following the FR saga know, I'm involved in the 4E update to the campaign setting. Having read a few speculations regarding our intentions, I just want to tell everyone that we're not going to blow up Waterdeep.
When I say we're not going to blow up Waterdeep, I mean that literally and metaphorically. We are not going to eradicate beloved, well-trodden areas of Faerūn, such as Waterdeep, period. And, in the places where we have introduced completely new elements, none of them are on a whim. We've got an awesome story to tell. A story that takes place in a world that contains thousands of players and readers. Those of us who care what happens within FR's borders has a lot invested in the campaign. Including everyone of us working on the update. And it is looking sweet." |
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 16 Oct 2007 : 23:30:35
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| I don't doubt, didn't since I first heard of the scale of these changes, they've got a big story to tell that they're excited about. |
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Uzzy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
618 Posts |
Posted - 17 Oct 2007 : 10:20:51
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Hmm, I'm interested in how they are going to square that desire with the whole death of Mystra thing. Because if magic does get messed up, what's going to happen to the Melairshield?
And of course they are going to say it's an awesome story they have to tell. I'm going to wait till they actually say what it is before buying into that hype.
Furthermore, just who decides which areas are 'beloved' or 'well-trodden'? |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
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2296 Posts |
Posted - 17 Oct 2007 : 13:41:06
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Originally posted by Uzzy
Furthermore, just who decides which areas are 'beloved' or 'well-trodden'?
Maybe they asked the fans? /sarcasm off |
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Oct 2007 : 14:38:35
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They have market research on that:quote:
For the most part, though, we've concentrated our efforts in two regions: the Dalelands and the North. Our market research indicates that most FR fans are playing their games in those areas, so we covered them in greater depth than we did other parts of Faerūn.
That's Rich Baker writing in 2001, a quote that makes the lack of a 3E Dales sourcebook yet more mystifying. |
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Aravine
Senior Scribe
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608 Posts |
Posted - 17 Oct 2007 : 14:56:35
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| thet're saying El is still alive, but how does that work? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 17 Oct 2007 : 15:03:56
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Originally posted by aravine
thet're saying El is still alive, but how does that work?
Right now, you know as much about this as any of the rest of us. |
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RodOdom
Senior Scribe
USA
509 Posts |
Posted - 17 Oct 2007 : 17:19:38
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| FR is a setting, not a story. It's not one big RSE. The more hype I hear from these guys, the less confidence I have in them. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 17 Oct 2007 : 23:46:34
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Originally posted by Kuje
From Bruce Cordell's WOTC journal, which was posted today.
"When I say we're not going to blow up Waterdeep, I mean that literally and metaphorically. We are not going to eradicate beloved, well-trodden areas of Faerūn, such as Waterdeep, period. And, in the places where we have introduced completely new elements, none of them are on a whim. We've got an awesome story to tell."
I'm very annoyed at this "beloved areas of Faerun" talking point. The most well-trodden areas of Faerun are that way--at least in part--because those are the areas that have received the most attention in products.
So, it doesn't seem to me to have much to do with what Realms fans think are the most beloved areas, but rather what areas WotC chooses to focus on. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Oct 2007 : 23:50:07
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Originally posted by Faraer
They have market research on that:quote:
For the most part, though, we've concentrated our efforts in two regions: the Dalelands and the North. Our market research indicates that most FR fans are playing their games in those areas, so we covered them in greater depth than we did other parts of Faerūn.
That's Rich Baker writing in 2001, a quote that makes the lack of a 3E Dales sourcebook yet more mystifying.
Sean K Reynolds also mentioned a few months ago on Paizo's site that WOTC knew that Cormyr was very popular, and when the staff was working on Silver Marches it was assumed that a Cormyr sourcebook would be the next regional sourcebook on the schedule, but it never happened. |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
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2131 Posts |
Posted - 18 Oct 2007 : 00:13:00
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| I have to say, the reason that I was most surprised and annoyed by the announcement of 4th Edition was because there are certain areas of the Realms that had not be covered yet in 3.x materials. |
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Faraer
Great Reader
3308 Posts |
Posted - 18 Oct 2007 : 00:51:59
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
I'm very annoyed at this "beloved areas of Faerun" talking point. The most well-trodden areas of Faerun are that way--at least in part--because those are the areas that have received the most attention in products.
So, it doesn't seem to me to have much to do with what Realms fans think are the most beloved areas, but rather what areas WotC chooses to focus on.
The Heartlands and the North are the most popular because they're where Ed's campaigns are set and thus the most fully realized parts of the Realms. This is what's so wonderful about the best Realms sourcebooks: they hint at and convey the impression of much more than they say outright. There is a self-fulfilling prophecy element; the 3E regional sourcebooks in fact focused on outlying Faerūn, but Wizards didn't give Ed free rein to effectively develop more than would be published for these regions, which is what it would take to make them as rich and thus even potentially as popular as the core Realms. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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7915 Posts |
Posted - 18 Oct 2007 : 01:48:31
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Rich's newest WOTC board posts, which were posted today.
"We're going to handle NPCs in a new way. More than that, I can't say right now (don't want to scoop the core rules team on something they're working up)."
This was about the 3/3.5e adepts, experts, commoners, etc.
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"Hi, Roman, thanks for stopping by...
We have some ideas about the aasimar, but they're a little behind the other planetouched right now. I don't really have much I can reveal about 'em yet, sorry.
I'll have to check on the CRPG angle. I don't directly interact with our license partners--all I do is occasionally read over a story treatment or document. So I'm actually not very well informed about what's coming down the pike next. I'll make a point of educating myself a bit before answering."
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"We're carefully coordinating the mechanical content of the FR books and the core books for 2008. A place for everything, and everything in its place. Broadly speaking, generic D&D spells or items or character options won't appear in FR sourcebooks -- if a spell or item appears in FR, it's because it really belongs to the setting." |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36876 Posts |
Posted - 18 Oct 2007 : 02:26:13
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Originally posted by Kuje
Broadly speaking, generic D&D spells or items or character options won't appear in FR sourcebooks -- if a spell or item appears in FR, it's because it really belongs to the setting."
That's quite reassuring.  |
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BlackMoria
Acolyte
Canada
36 Posts |
Posted - 18 Oct 2007 : 15:13:16
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I suspect that the reason there is no Dalelands or Cormyr sourcebook is because they knew they would be releasing 4e and decided to not do a 3.5e sourcebook for these but rather, make them first as 4e Realms sourcebooks.
Just speculation but it makes sense. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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7915 Posts |
Posted - 19 Oct 2007 : 22:53:07
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And as usual, Rich's newest WOTC FR board posts.
"I doubt we'll do deity stat blocks again, unless we really mean for you to fight that deity. But we won't be doing Faiths & Avatars-style treatments for each deity for quite some time, either. Deity descriptions in the 4e Campaign Guide will probably be pretty close to what you saw in the 3e Campaign Setting book.
That said, I can imagine a topped-out party (30th level) finishing off a campaign by fighting and killing Bane or Cyric. After, mortal Bane and his pals showed up in Jergal's court with exactly that plan one fine morning a long time ago. But I don't think we'd feel that we had to fully "stat out" every deity in the pantheon if we decided to write an adventure where the epic-level PCs wound up taking on one deity."
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"Sorry, missed the question.
I'm not sure I understand it, but I'll take a shot at rephrasing: Could I use the 4th Edition rules to run a Realms campaign set in 1372 DR?
(I picked 1372 because it's the year set in the 3rd Ed book.)
The answer is yes. You could run a fine 1372 FR game with the 4th Edition rules and the "world content" of a previous edition. The only hang-up I see is this: Would you be willing to pretend "of course magic was always this way"? And even then, it's not all that different in story terms. In other words, if I were writing a novel that contained a wizard duel from 3e and a wizard duel from 4e, I don't know that I would write those scenes differently. They'd look and feel very similar.
Most of the mechanical stuff will be out of date. The Purple Dragon Knight prestige class is going to function differently in 4e. But the idea behind the PDK prestige class is still fine, and you could use it as an inspiration for working out the 4e equivalent if you were so inclined." |
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 20 Oct 2007 : 00:39:11
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Originally posted by Kuje
"We're going to handle NPCs in a new way. More than that, I can't say right now (don't want to scoop the core rules team on something they're working up)."
$10 says they're going D&D Insider with NPC stats. We'll get broad NPC stats for NPCs we'll need in combat in the books, we'll get Elminster, the Sisters, Drizzt, etc. as part of D&D Insider. It's an easy way to published and UPDATE these stat blocks as errors are pointed out and new feats/systems are introduced.
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Broadly speaking, generic D&D spells or items or character options won't appear in FR sourcebooks -- if a spell or item appears in FR, it's because it really belongs to the setting."
So Archmage will be in the Core books.. fine.. I hope that means FR stuff won't appear in the Core books. Red Wizards don't belong in the DMG. Hell, prestige classes IMHO don't belong in the DMG. |
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Kentinal
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Posted - 20 Oct 2007 : 00:53:46
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Wel deity stat blocks were a waste of space, useful only to mortalls powerful enough to kill a deity in the first place.
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Ayunken-vanzan
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Posted - 20 Oct 2007 : 09:17:54
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| I second that. Part of the appeal of a deity is the level of power which is to great for most humans to match in a fight even to or comprehend. Most times there is no need for stats save very few exceptions. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Oct 2007 : 23:00:01
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Rich posted this yesterday in his WOTC journal.
"Cross-posting from my Gleemax profile blog...
Hello again! I guess it's been a couple of days, time for some new thoughts...
This week I've been working hard on adventure H2, mostly outlining, background, and adventure synopsis stuff. I'll dive into writing encounters next week. The format's a lot like Shattered Gates of Slaughtergarde, so planning out what goes where requires a little attention to detail. It's been a long time since I've worked on a "normal" assignment with the normal allotted design time; for months and months it's been "do as much as you can as fast as you can" on a whole string of 4e projects. I'm still getting used to the change of pace.
One of the real highlights of my week was a nice teleconference with Ed Greenwood yesterday. Myself, Bruce Cordell, Chris Perkins, and Phil Athans got on the speaker-phone to talk to Ed about the new FR 4e and what parts of the book he'll contribute. Ed's going to design a lot of the new material you folks will see for the first time in the Campaign Guide, and I'm really looking forward to seeing what he comes up with.
A side note about Forgotten Realms stuff... I wanted to say a word about the "Ask the Realms Designers" threads on our Forgotten Realms boards. A couple of people criticized me for being in that thread, as opposed to patrolling all the FR threads. They thought that it seemed a little arrogant or oracle-ish of me to hold court there instead of engaging fans wherever folks asked for my two cents. Here's the deal: Staking out a single thread is a much better way to make sure people can get access to me. Obviously, it saves time for me if I'm only carefully watching a very small number of threads. But, more importantly, it saves time for you too. If someone wants to ask me a question or keep up with my "official designer" posts, they don't have to crawl through dozens of threads looking for the ones I'm actually commenting on. There's one easy place to come find me. And it means that when I do carve time out of my day to write a lengthy post, it'll get seen by more people . That's just being efficient.
Last thought of the day: This week's lunchtime game is Twilight Imperium. I've got the newer edition with the big beautiful box, armies of plastic, hundreds of cards and tokens. I love Fantasy Flight's components, but I think there's just a little too much all in one spot with Twilight Imperium. In any event, we've played it around the office once or twice. It means committing the lunch hour about 2-3 times a week for several weeks to get through it, but it's a great change of pace. If you work at a game company, by gum, you need to play some games! I used to organize games all the time around the office (Dave Eckelberry once called me R&D's "cruise director"), and we'd fallen out of the habit over the last year or so. Well, no more! I mean to play some games. After Twilight Imperium, I think we'll move on to History of the World next." |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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7915 Posts |
Posted - 22 Oct 2007 : 20:37:31
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Rich's newest WOTC board posts, date today.
"No immediate plans for another interactive atlas, sorry."
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"Anauroch only hints at the Spellplague--the events in the adventure take place in 1375 DR, so the Spellplague proper is still quite a ways off.
We're not planning on publishing any other stand-alone adventures until after the 4e Campaign Guide. But DUNGEON magazine might have something up its electronic sleeve." |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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7915 Posts |
Posted - 24 Oct 2007 : 01:55:25
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As usual, Rich's WOTC FR post(s).
"I think you'll see something pretty substantial on D&D Insider in December (and they might have something for you in November, too). After that, you'll see some sort of preview article every month until the Campaign Guide comes out. I'm afraid I can't be any more specific than that." |
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BlackMoria
Acolyte
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Posted - 29 Oct 2007 : 20:58:26
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From the Ask the FR Designers boards, Rich Baker responded on a question, if star elves will be the new eladrins.
His response:
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Actually, I expect that sun elves, moon elves, and star elves would all fall into the description of "eladrin" for game stats, while wood elves and green elves would be "elves." But we're still going to call them sun elves, star elves, etc., for the most part. Nobody in Faerun would call those folks eladrins, they'd call them ar-tel-quessir, sun elves, or gold elves.
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