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firwood
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Posted - 28 Aug 2007 :  20:08:14  Show Profile  Visit firwood's Homepage Send firwood a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
In the 3rd edition setting, the year -351 DR was named "year of the galsshark".
In older edition the same here was named "dark roads". What is the right name of this year and why change the name?

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Posted - 28 Aug 2007 :  20:33:31  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm not familiar with the "galsshark" name. Every version of the Roll of Years that I've seen calls it "Dark Roads". Where did you see this other name?

I'm thinking it could just be a regional name...

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Posted - 29 Aug 2007 :  01:01:36  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
And what the heck is a "galsshark"?

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I believe he means 'Glassharks.'

The 'Timeline' in the 3e FRCS does indeed note -351 DR as "Year of Glassharks." Whereas the 'Timeline' for the "Netheril" chapter in Lost Empires of Faerūn notes -351 DR as "Year of Dark Roads." And, as I recall, previous sources, like the Cormanthyr supplement, are noted as referencing the "Year of Glassharks" as -310 DR.

This apparent discrepancy may be rectified in the upcoming Grand History of the Realms.

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firwood
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Posted - 29 Aug 2007 :  09:24:45  Show Profile  Visit firwood's Homepage Send firwood a Private Message  Reply with Quote
First of all, excuse me for my mistype in last post.
I wrote yesterday just before go bed and i was very tired :-(

Now another question, again about roll of the years. I'm translating all the years in italian, but it's very difficult for me to find the right meaning of the words without a context in which verify the correctness.

Do you know something (a website, a blog, everything) that can help me in this task?

Thank you very much

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Posted - 30 Aug 2007 :  00:10:26  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the information. For the record, I think "Year of Dark Roads" sounds cooler.

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Posted - 30 Aug 2007 :  02:32:13  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by firwood

First of all, excuse me for my mistype in last post.
I wrote yesterday just before go bed and i was very tired :-(


No worries. It happens to all of us.

quote:
Originally posted by firwood

Now another question, again about roll of the years. I'm translating all the years in italian, but it's very difficult for me to find the right meaning of the words without a context in which verify the correctness.

Do you know something (a website, a blog, everything) that can help me in this task?

Thank you very much



Honestly, there are a lot of years you'll not have a context to use... For many of the older years, all we have is a name. Even those years that do have notable events, things worthy of being on a timeline, often still don't make a lot of sense. And then there's all the named years in the future...

You can always ask us about particular years, or consult Brian R. James's upcoming Grand History of the Realms, for more information about a particular year.

I trust you have some copy of the Roll of Years to work with?

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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by firwood

Now another question, again about roll of the years. I'm translating all the years in italian, but it's very difficult for me to find the right meaning of the words without a context in which verify the correctness.

Do you know something (a website, a blog, everything) that can help me in this task?

Thank you very much

Honestly, there are a lot of years you'll not have a context to use... For many of the older years, all we have is a name. Even those years that do have notable events, things worthy of being on a timeline, often still don't make a lot of sense. And then there's all the named years in the future...
Indeed. Alaundo and Augathra's prophecies [the names on the Roll of Years are already known, well in advance... since they're drawn from the prophecies of Augathra, Alaundo and others, made centuries past] are cryptic and poetic, not descriptive, and many of them are nothing more than the year names. The idea is not that they definitely refer to large-scale events: sages differ, even after the fact, on what the prophecies refer to. These guys are crazy mystics, not big-man-theory historians, and their visions were not all of the RSE-type events that TSR has trained some of us to think 'important'.

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firwood
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Posted - 30 Aug 2007 :  11:00:50  Show Profile  Visit firwood's Homepage Send firwood a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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I trust you have some copy of the Roll of Years to work with?



I'm working on a file (ods format) and years go from -700 to 1600. I suppose this is a complete roll of the years.
To check every entry i use FRCS and grand history of the realms (the removed pdf file on geonomicon) in association with several web sites.

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Posted - 30 Aug 2007 :  12:58:29  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by firwood

quote:

I trust you have some copy of the Roll of Years to work with?



I'm working on a file (ods format) and years go from -700 to 1600. I suppose this is a complete roll of the years.
To check every entry i use FRCS and grand history of the realms (the removed pdf file on geonomicon) in association with several web sites.



Well, I'm not familiar with that particular document format, but it sounds like you've got a good copy... The original version was an rtf file, and is actually still on the Wizards site (but you have to know the exact URL to find it). I believe that the version on the end of the pdf Grand History is that same file, just tacked on to the end. We've also got it here, in various formats, including the original version (I was bored one day). It's also found in the Forgotten Realms Calendar Tool.

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