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Brimstone
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Posted - 01 Apr 2009 :  15:44:16  Show Profile Send Brimstone a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Dont forget Hall of the Frostmaiden, and the Backdrop Cormyr Article. Notice both were by BRJ. I think he needs to get busy over there.

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Brimstone
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Posted - 01 Apr 2009 :  15:45:49  Show Profile Send Brimstone a Private Message  Reply with Quote
No I dont count that Headless Zhent "stuff" as Realmslore.

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"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Marc
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I'm paying the DDI for a few months, BRJ's articles are the only interesting, even Tarmalune, is not exciting

the Sharns were impressive, except the Pentad is missing

if you want more FR articles, Rich said several times, you have to ask the main guy of the magazines, probably there aren't many 4eFR fans

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Christopher_Rowe
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Posted - 01 Apr 2009 :  22:28:04  Show Profile  Visit Christopher_Rowe's Homepage Send Christopher_Rowe a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I believe that starting in May there will be a minimum of one new Realms piece at DDI every month in either Dungeon or Dragon.

There are lots of Fourth Edition Realms fans!

My Realms novel, Sandstorm, is now available for ordering.
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Hawkins
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Posted - 01 Apr 2009 :  23:36:34  Show Profile  Visit Hawkins's Homepage Send Hawkins a Private Message  Reply with Quote
They made that same promise back when they started charging for DDI.

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Christopher_Rowe
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Posted - 02 Apr 2009 :  01:30:11  Show Profile  Visit Christopher_Rowe's Homepage Send Christopher_Rowe a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Did they? I don't remember that. Who was it?

quote:
Originally posted by HawkinstheDM

They made that same promise back when they started charging for DDI.


My Realms novel, Sandstorm, is now available for ordering.
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Markustay
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The exact statement was by RB, and it was in the "ask the designers" thread over at WotC, and he stated that the goal was to produce at least one Realms article every month.

NOT a promise - we've been through this before - just a very vague 'mission statement' at best.

Its good to have goals... even when they are just pipedreams.

If they had a 'Realmslore only' section that they charged less for, I would probably sign-on, but since 98% of the DDi content is 4e rules-related and advertisements for their future products not-so-cleverly disguised as articles, it serves no purpose for me.

I'm sure the character-builder is wonderful, but completely useless to most of us here.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


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Hawkins
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Posted - 02 Apr 2009 :  15:52:23  Show Profile  Visit Hawkins's Homepage Send Hawkins a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thank you for correcting my misinformation Mark. It has been awhile since the statement has been made, and I haven't been to the WotC forums for forever. Pretty much when 4e came out and everything was 4e-oriented; and since I don't have 4e and don't plan to play 4e, it is of no use to me.

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One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

"Mmm, not the darkness," Myrin murmured. "Don't cast it there." --Erik Scott de Bie, Shadowbane

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* Compendium Arcanum Volume 1: Cantrips & Orisons (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 2: 1st-Level Spells (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Martial Arts Guidebook (forthcoming) (PFRPG, designer; Rite Publishing)
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krownhunter07
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Posted - 14 Apr 2009 :  19:18:28  Show Profile  Visit krownhunter07's Homepage Send krownhunter07 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
FR continues to be my realm of choice...

All I want now is the Bladesinger (and more lore via DDI).

Happy gaming.

I only hope to die the way I lived.
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Markustay
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Doubt they'll do a Bladesinger - it would be redunsant with the Swordmage (which is the human version of same if you read the novel).

Then again, you never know... redundancy was a pretty big thing for WotC with the 3e rules...

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Dark Wizard
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Posted - 16 Apr 2009 :  02:46:19  Show Profile Send Dark Wizard a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It's hard not to seem redundant when they couldn't get things right the first time. (i.e. 3e -> 3.5e)

More specifically, they never got the Bladesinger "right." They never produced an iconic fighter-mage PrC either. Didn't stop them from trying, many times, which was a problem also.
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Ashe Ravenheart
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Posted - 16 Apr 2009 :  03:50:13  Show Profile Send Ashe Ravenheart a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Or, you could have just multiclass fighter/sorcerer or fighter/wizard. I think the biggest mistake of 3E was that players forgot that Prestige Classes are an OPTION and not a requirement for a good character.

I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.

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Hawkins
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Posted - 16 Apr 2009 :  18:48:11  Show Profile  Visit Hawkins's Homepage Send Hawkins a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The biggest problem I saw with fighter/spellcaster multi-classed hybrids was that your spell caster level was so low that it made it difficult to overcome spell resistance in creatures at higher levels.

Though I still need to try out the Duskblade from the PHB2 (3.5).

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One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

"Mmm, not the darkness," Myrin murmured. "Don't cast it there." --Erik Scott de Bie, Shadowbane

* My character sheets (PFRPG, 3.5, and AE versions; not viewable in Internet Explorer)
* Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Reference Document (PFRPG OGL Rules)
* The Hypertext d20 SRD (3.5 OGL Rules)
* 3.5 D&D Archives

My game design work:
* Heroes of the Jade Oath (PFRPG, conversion; Rite Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 1: Cantrips & Orisons (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 2: 1st-Level Spells (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Martial Arts Guidebook (forthcoming) (PFRPG, designer; Rite Publishing)

Edited by - Hawkins on 16 Apr 2009 18:48:48
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Ashe Ravenheart
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Posted - 16 Apr 2009 :  19:05:13  Show Profile Send Ashe Ravenheart a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sorry, Hawkins, but that's just not a valid argument for a spellcaster that can fight. Of course it's going to be tougher to overcome spell-resistance. The character doesn't spend all their time studying and perfecting their art, so they aren't as powerful as their brethren.

I can understand a PRC that blends the two, but you're still not going to be as powerful as a straight-forward magic-user. You give up some of that power to be able to swing a sword as well.

I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.

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Mr_Miscellany
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Posted - 18 Apr 2009 :  20:02:15  Show Profile Send Mr_Miscellany a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Granted you give up some power in order to be able to fight and deal damage, but it doesn't follow that the spells you can cast shouldn't work at all on creatures at the higher end levels of play.
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Ashe Ravenheart
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Posted - 18 Apr 2009 :  20:13:59  Show Profile Send Ashe Ravenheart a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Then in the same regard a wizard should be able to shoot an arrow at a higher level creature at the same ability level of a fighter?

I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.

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Mr_Miscellany
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Posted - 19 Apr 2009 :  19:42:07  Show Profile Send Mr_Miscellany a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Do you mean "wizard" or "multi-class Fighter/Wizard"?

Obviously shooting an arrow isn't the primary class ability of a wizard. Players pick up the PHB and pick the wizard because they want to be able to have a character that casts spells.
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Ashe Ravenheart
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I meant in terms of a fighter/wizard.

I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.

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Wenin
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When my group tried to convert from 2e to 3.5e, we had one player that had a huge problem with his character. He was a fighter/rogue/mage/spell filcher kit. It was impossible to please him with a 3.5 build.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 29 May 2009 :  20:13:09  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So... As everyone here knows, I'm one who believes you have to try something before you can rule it out. My parents and grandparents rammed that one home with many, many vile food substances, like spinach souffle, squash, liver, and Brussel sprouts.

It's for that reason that I'll usually try something I fully expect to dislike. I am sometimes surprised, too. A movie I didn't want to see became one of my faves. And my grandfather's concoction of pig brains and scrambled eggs proved to be more vile than anything I could have imagined. Holy mother of Lurue, that was not only incredibly unhealthy (it's like 700% the RDA of cholesterol!), it was foul enough that it might be against both the Constitution and the Geneva Conventions. And the Ares Conventions, too.

Ahem.

So I picked up the FRCG back in September. Unlike pre-4E Realms products, I could wait to open and read it -- I waited until now, in fact. Heck, I didn't even flip thru it until I'd had it for like a month...

I'm going to ignore, for the duration of this post, most of the retcons and the stuff that touches on the Sellplague. I am going to comment on one or two really perplexing bits, though.

Some commentary:

The Loudwater adventure. Wow, this was worse than some of the negative reviewers have said. It was boring and unimaginative. It also leaves one wondering how 2000 people live in about 50 buildings, some of which look like sheds. There was a scrap or two of potential in this area, but all of that potential could have been on one page, not 30. For a campaign guide, that's a lot of wasted space. I think this should have been a download, not part of one of the only three setting products we're getting.

The two pages on treasures was good. It's one of the few areas of the book where we see some real flavor, instead of bland overview.

The glossary, too, was really good. Some of it we've seen before, from Ed's pen. This area should have been expanded, to provide more flavor.

Amaunator. As I've commented elsewhere, I don't understand why this formerly LN deity is now LG. The description specifically states he didn't die, he transformed into Lathander and then back again... So where's the third aspect? How does it go from morn to noon to morn again?

Asmodeus as a deity? Uh, no... And with trying to winnow down the pantheon, why are we adding to it?

Ao is mentioned, so that means he's still around. I'll not go off on that particular tangent, because I've said it enough in the past.

It's also implied that Kezef the Chaos Hound and Dendar the Night Serpent are members of one of the groups of the Seven Lost Gods. And Loviatar is Bane's consort.

There's a two page spread on "pantheons of the world". Each deity listed on the table has his or her portfolios summed up in one word -- only four of them get more than one word. Also, despite the title of this section, there is no mention of deities in any other pantheons. Even the formerly racial deities aren't being associated with their races in this section, other than Corellon and Moradin. Gruumsh is listed as having the portfolio "Savagery", and Garl Glittergold has "Protection". The only real worth of this section is that we have names for most of the priests and we have adjectives for followers of each deity.

I'm not going into the "Faerűn and Beyond" section, for the most part. Almost every area described has just two pages, and part of that is given over to "Plots and Adventure Sites".

One odd thing I did note in this section is that there are several areas with changed names, many of which have no explanation for the name change. For example, the Lost Vale is now the Lost Dale, also known as Tarkhaldale. And the saurials aren't there any more -- guess which shadowy power group somehow found them and kicked them out?

And the capital of Damara, once known as Heliogabalus (an admittedly awkward name) is now Helgabal.

The vampires have been kicked out of Westgate... Vampire Manshoon is the only Manshoon still around, and he now runs the Zhentarim from his home at Stormwatch.

Evermeet is now in the Feywild, but the formerly populated isle now has a unpopulated twin sitting where the island originally was. So there's two Evermeets, really. And neither is ruled by Amlaruil; all we're told is that she is "gone".

Halruaa blew up during the Sellplague, and the force of the explosion shattered the land bridge to Chult. This we know from one of the web articles:
quote:
What was once called Halruaa detonated and was destroyed when every inscribed and prepared spell in the nation went off simultaneously. This explosion was partly to blame for destroying the land bridge between Chult and the Shining South—only a scattered archipelago remains.


However, the land of Halruaa is still there, for the most part! It got trashed by mudslide and tsunamis (from where?), but a good chunk of the land remains.

Zhentil Keep is gone, as is the Citadel of the Raven. Why? Because Fzoul made a deal with the phaerimm when they were fighting the Shades, and the Shades didn't like that, so they destroyed both spots. I don't recall that alliance.

Myth Drannor is mostly restored and is home to 10,000 elves and eladrin. There's no mention of any other races there.

The Sea of Fallen Stars... Oh, this is a fun one. Let's ignore Xxiphu, the flying aboleth city that has krakens flying around it. Instead, let's look at one of the changes to this area: the sea level, which is described as having fallen an average of 50 feet. Despite this, the coastlines remain the same -- maybe a bit bigger, but the same shape. That doesn't really seem logical to me...

But here's the real odd stuff. Myth Nantar is described in the Sea of Fallen Stars as being 350 underwater -- and it specifically refers to that as being open water, over the city proper (page 165 mentions the depth, and page 168 refers to that depth as being over the city proper). And yet, since the Sea of Fallen Stars lost 50 feet of depth in the Sellplague, Myth Nantar now has areas of the city entirely above water (page 172 of the FRCG). So three hundred and fifty feet, minus fifty feet, somehow equals about fifty feet or so.

And the Sharksbane Wall... Page 51 of the Sea of Fallen Stars mentions that the wall is 60 feet high, and is built on a ridge that's about 140 feet underwater. Thus, there is 80 feet of water between the top of the wall and the surface. According to the FRCG, 30 feet of the wall is now above the surface. That means that in this area, that 50 foot drop in sea level was about 110 feet.

How does that math work out?

I'll come back to Thay...

Returned Abeir. Now this section is vintage Ed. Given the exact same amount of room for each entry here, he makes an entirely new area both more interesting and intriguing than the areas of Faerűn we already knew (at least, as described in this book). As mentioned elsewhere, I'm in favor of removing the Abeir backstory from this continent and using it as part of the real setting.

There's a section on the Underdark... Among other things, Menzoberranzan is not only still around, but this city previously described as being neither overly large nor overly influential is now explicitly stated to be the most important drow city and the center of Lolth's worship.

For no stated reason, Skullport (yeah, it's in the Northdark section, rather than the Waterdeep section) is now ruined and abandoned.

Threats. Now this is a bizarrely organized chapter... We have power groups, churches, and monsters all lumped into this category.

Kir-Lanans, who previously hated all deities, now happily serve Shar.

The Cult of the Dragon is still going strong. Despite the fact that the dragonborn hate dragons, the Cult has still been able to recruit a bunch of dragonborn members. There's no mention whatsoever of the events of the Rogue Dragon trilogy.

The Five Companies are a nifty idea, though I'd come up with a totally different backstory for them -- perhaps planar in origin. I find it a little unlikely that out of 300+ Elders with skyships, only two of those still in Halruaan hands were out of the country when it did and didn't blow up.

I don't understand the sharn having anything to do with the Order of Blue Fire, or that they'd be involved in spreading the Sellplague.

The Zhents are now mercenaries, led by the vampiric Manshoon, and they're tied to Cyric. Fzoul has Zhent followers, but apparently isn't part of the Zhentarim. And the organization isn't formally allied with the Church of Bane.

There's an index... But the note prefacing it says it's not comprehensive, but rather a "source of inspiration."

And that's it. A few real nuggets of lore, but overall, underwhelming and disappointing, even with low expectations.

I mentioned I'd come back to Thay... I love the idea of a Thayan civil war. I hate the way they did it. Me, I'd leave the land the same, and end up with two factions -- those loyal to Szass Tam at home, and the rest based in Mulmaster. Sorta like Clans Wolf and Wolf-in-Exile, from the BattleTech universe.

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Ayunken-vanzan
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Wow ... that bad ...

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Jorkens
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quote:
Originally posted by Ayunken-vanzan

Wow ... that bad ...



You took the words out of my mouth. Quite honestly, I cant keep myself from smiling whilst reading Wooly's post; this sounds even more ridiculous than I had imagined it.

I picked up an extra version of the Grey box and I am reading it now. Some times I love being a grumpy, unyielding weirdo who refuses to change anything that already works for me.
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Fillow
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What am I seeing Wooly ?
You read the whoe FRCG and you do not think about taking notes for the 4E index project ?
You hate so much the new Realms ?

I suddenly feel alone in an anti-post-Spellplague world...

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Not at all, Fillow! There's lots of people who love all iterations of the Realms!

quote:
Originally posted by Fillow

What am I seeing Wooly ?
You read the whoe FRCG and you do not think about taking notes for the 4E index project ?
You hate so much the new Realms ?

I suddenly feel alone in an anti-post-Spellplague world...



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Barshevy
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I absolutely demand that Wizards retcon the entire 4th edition Realms. That's the only way to fix this mess.

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quote:
Originally posted by Fillow

I suddenly feel alone in an anti-post-Spellplague world...




Don't feel alone. People can have different interests and opinions yet still respect each other.

That Sea of Fallen Stars coastline bit had me puzzled when I first saw a new map for it. However, I never worked out any of the math like you did, Wooly, which now makes it seem all the more bizarre--and let's face it--even if you fudge it so that for various reasons the sea level dropped to different levels in different places, it's still bizarre. Perhaps in a lovely way for some, but not me.

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

quote:
Originally posted by Fillow

I suddenly feel alone in an anti-post-Spellplague world...




Don't feel alone. People can have different interests and opinions yet still respect each other.


Indeed. And since I've been attacked for my anti-4E stance in the past, I'm happy to see people actually respecting each other's opinions.

quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

That Sea of Fallen Stars coastline bit had me puzzled when I first saw a new map for it.


I live practically at sea level, and I've paid attention to the way the combination of currents and the shape of the land in this area interact (that combination is why hurricanes usually leave us alone, except for fluke years like 2004). That was why the idea of the coastline remaining identical despite a change in sea level really threw me. I suppose it is theoretically possible, but it seems rather unlikely.

quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

However, I never worked out any of the math like you did, Wooly, which now makes it seem all the more bizarre--and let's face it--even if you fudge it so that for various reasons the sea level dropped to different levels in different places, it's still bizarre. Perhaps in a lovely way for some, but not me.



I might not have even noticed it, had it not been for the fact I'm a huge fan of the Sea of Fallen Stars sourcebook. As soon as I read that section of the FRCG, I opened the pdf of the other book and began looking at it -- I knew Myth Nantar was far deeper than that. It took me a bit longer to find the depth of the Sharksbane Wall, but I was also pretty certain it was originally deeper than the 20 feet below the surface implied by the FRCG.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 30 May 2009 :  07:36:48  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm going to make two more comments about the FRCG...

One is that the designers did learn one lesson. The stat blocks that are there aren't the huge wastes of space they once were. And there's a sidebar that mentions a lack of stat blocks for some NPCs. It says to do with those NPCs as you will -- make them what you need them to be. Change printed stats if necessary, or totally make up stats if none are there. And it tells you to use what you've got, too -- though they of course take this opportunity to plug the DDI.

The reason this impresses me is because I remember the minimal stats in 1E and 2E books, and I remember one of the 1E books that explicitly said to change the levels of some NPCs as necessary. It took them a while and a lot of wasted pages in 3E, but at least they finally learned to let people do what they want, and decided to tell us we could.

The other thing I'm going to comment on is the name of the book. First edition gave us the Forgotten Realms Campaign Set. Second and third edition each gave us a Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting. That book and those boxed sets did a far better job of representing the setting than this book does. But, to be fair, it's the Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide. To me, "guide" implies far less coverage than "set" or "setting". "Guide" implies a brief overview -- and that's what this book does. I don't feel that it lives up to its predecessors, but it does live up to its name.

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Mace Hammerhand
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Posted - 30 May 2009 :  07:46:26  Show Profile  Visit Mace Hammerhand's Homepage Send Mace Hammerhand a Private Message  Reply with Quote
They really should have made a new world for all this nonsense and let the Realms die...or told us old timers to get lost in a more explicit way.

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Christopher_Rowe
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Posted - 30 May 2009 :  12:51:47  Show Profile  Visit Christopher_Rowe's Homepage Send Christopher_Rowe a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Whereas the message this old-timer hears from the FRCG in particular and Fourth Edition in general is "welcome back!"

My Realms novel, Sandstorm, is now available for ordering.

Edited by - Christopher_Rowe on 30 May 2009 12:52:27
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