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sparhawk42
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 12:25:03
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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“We have the two best games in the world,” said Randy Buehler, VP of Digital Games for Wizards of the Coast, “we need to take care of them before expanding into new digital arenas.”
This statement makes me wonder about the digital stuff we've been promised but have yet to see...
That is exactly what I was thinking when I read about this.  |
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Kiaransalyn
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
762 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 12:27:06
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From GleeMax to GlumMax, or should that be GleeMin?
"For more on this, read Randy Buehler’s blog."
It always worries me when people have blogs. On a personal level fine but as a means to transmit information it seems undignified somehow. As if they're desperate to make lots of on-line friends. Now if this was a site with regularly updated news stories then that would make sense but the impression I get from the text above is that it's a personal on-line diary.
Hmmm,
Friday July 11th
Had argument with partner over taking out the trash. After a tough day sitting on my butt writing blog entries and forwarding important E-mails to my secretary and the interns the last thing I want to do is get downwind of a stale milk carton. Gosh darn it!
It gets me so mad. I'm an important person, I'm a VP!
Saturday July 12th
The trash is still in the kitchen. So it's a battle of wills you want, eh? Well, I've got a Will modifier!
Monday July 13th
Hey kids, there will be a hot announcement about Gleemax in the next week or so. We're thinking about a radical upgrade that will rock your world.
Tuesday July 14th
Hmm, Lionel Richie is playing at the Apollo, must get some tickets.
Nb: But only if the trash is taken out.
Wednesday July 15th
Awesome great super previews of the new improved FR setting are on-line today! So all you dice-heads had best go check them out. Special heads up to Bessie my blind labrador who came back from the grave after being dead for four years to draw the maps.
Thursday July 16th
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Eww, trash juice ran down my arm. Right, that's it, I'm going to see Lionel Ritchie by myself.
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We're going to discontinue Gleemax. The team and I had a long discussion about this on Messenger last night, during the baseball and we've decided it's best if we circle the wagons and protect the golden geese instead of playng around with a networking site that sounds like a sanitary towel. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 13:15:22
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Originally posted by Kiaransalyn
Wednesday July 15th
Awesome great super previews of the new improved FR setting are on-line today! So all you dice-heads had best go check them out. Special heads up to Bessie my blind labrador who came back from the grave after being dead for four years to draw the maps.
Thursday July 16th
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Eww, trash juice ran down my arm. Right, that's it, I'm going to see Lionel Ritchie by myself.
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We're going to discontinue Gleemax. The team and I had a long discussion about this on Messenger last night, during the baseball and we've decided it's best if we circle the wagons and protect the golden geese instead of playng around with a networking site that sounds like a sanitary towel.
Ouch and ouch!   |
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Richard Lee Byers
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 13:51:32
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| I know this question reveals my deplorable ignorance, but what does it mean that Gleemax is cancelled? Which parts of WotC's online presence are going away? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36998 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 14:01:32
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Originally posted by Richard Lee Byers
I know this question reveals my deplorable ignorance, but what does it mean that Gleemax is cancelled? Which parts of WotC's online presence are going away?
Well, I'm assuming the Gleemax forum is going bye-bye. I don't know if there was ever anything else more to the site than that... I'm guessing they had more planned, but decided to scrap it. |
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monknwildcat
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 15:06:30
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I have the same question, RLB.
I've a Gleemax subscription, but I've visit WOTC's online community....once? Twice, maybe. And I got my Gleemax account to view the Elven Notebook. lol.
Is Gleemax the only place people post to WOTC a la Candlekeep Forums or Paizo? The place from which, thank the gods, Wooly was cast down to the Keep?  JK!
It's difficult for me to believe they're doing away with their own forums! (No sarcasm in next statement!!!!) How would they know what the customer base thinks/needs? |
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monknwildcat
Learned Scribe
USA
285 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 15:09:01
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Oh, and pure brilliance, Kiaransalyn!
Remind me never to cross you! |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 15:53:43
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First off, it wasn't so much 'Glee' at their 'misfortune', as it is my being right... AGAIN. 
I called this shot months ago... whenever people got excited by all the 'new content' announcment, I was sure to tell them that irt was never going to happen (usually piissing-off all the WotC people in the process).
You see, I may not be game-company exec, but I'm pretty computer-savy, and going by their past history and obvious inability to get anything digital off the ground, I new this was a lark. I'm sure Wooly will agree with me here (and any other 'computer types' we have a round. You can tell fairly early if a company is going to make it with online content ot not, and Gleemax just didn't 'take-off' (probably because it never became more then just a forum).
They assumed that they would get their numbeers up first, and once they could show the execs how successful it was, they would start adding content.
WRONG - it just doesn't work that way. You need the content to generate the numbers, and obviously their's didn't go up, and now they weren't given the budget they need to fufill all those promises.
Anyhow, Mr. Byers, Wooly is quite correct - as of now, all they are going to lose is the Gleemax forums - everything else should remain the same as it was before they started pushing this Gleemax monstrosity. There was MUCH planned for Gleemax, but NONE of it (aside from the forums) ever saw fruition, so there is no real loss.
@Monknwildcat - see above. The old forums will still be around, as they always were - just don't expect any of the other DDi promises to be fufilled.
I think a lot of the online FR DDi content was supposed to generated by the LFR leads (in other words, they were going to use content generated for FREE by the volunteers). I don't know how LFR is doing, but after certain recent comments by RB I'm getting the impression that it isn't as successful as they had hoped (because the FR content still hasn't been posted, aside from Brian's article and a few crummy excerpts). He said he was "hopeful we'd see 2-3 articles a month" at some point. Now, we know we aren't getting things that supposedly were 'set-in-stone', so when they start tossing around words like "hopeful", you know that they are starting to doubt their own plans. In light of the Gleemax cancellation, its pretty obvios that things just aren't working out on the digital end for them.
I also made a wry comment yesterday (at WotC) about what, exactly, do the designers do all day long? (I mean, aside from writing the novels, which SHOULD be done on their own time)
After reading that blog, now I know. 
It must be very frustrating for them when they have to actual do some work at their 'day jobs'. |
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Richard Lee Byers
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
1814 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 16:28:38
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| Thanks for the clarification, guys. |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 18:03:06
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Originally posted by Kiaransalyn
Eww, trash juice ran down my arm. Right, that's it, I'm going to see Lionel Ritchie by myself.
pm
We're going to discontinue Gleemax. The team and I had a long discussion about this on Messenger last night, during the baseball and we've decided it's best if we circle the wagons and protect the golden geese instead of playng around with a networking site that sounds like a sanitary towel.
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
1757 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 20:12:32
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I like that it's gone
I imagined Gleemax very Cthulhu like, with that awful skin
wasn't on WotC boards for a year, when I came back there was Gleemax and 4e/Spellplague announcements and everything went downhill afterwards
I also did ask (not so directly) what the designers are doing all day other than writing novels, but Rich didn't answer that one, he only mentioned his hopes for FR articles per month |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 21:15:07
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| Maybe it will get a better name if they decide to try it again after (lol, an "if" really on this also) they every get the online D&D stuff worked out. |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 21:15:50
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| I also suggest an allowed account name change to NostraMarkus... |
Errant d20 Designer - My Blog (last updated January 06, 2016)
One, two! One, two! And through and through
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monknwildcat
Learned Scribe
USA
285 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 21:19:16
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Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
I also suggest an allowed account name change to NostraMarkus...
Word!!!  |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 23:36:59
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| Man that Gleemax crap was useless... perfect example of a big company hiring a marketing company to do something "cool", with no real aim or purpose behind the hiring... |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jul 2008 : 23:53:13
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Originally posted by Markustay
And in the news... Gleemax is CANCELLED!!!
Now who didn't see this coming?
Bit off more then they can chew, much?
Yes, considering the current state of their online endeavors, so far.
I'm not into Facebook/MySpace, and so was never that interested in Gleemax anyway. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jul 2008 : 00:11:07
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Originally posted by Kajehase
Now, now Markus. Such glee in the face of others' misfortune is unbecoming.
Actually it is kinda funny! |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jul 2008 : 00:56:25
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Kajehase
Now, now Markus. Such glee in the face of others' misfortune is unbecoming.
Actually it is kinda funny!
I have to agree!  |
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* Compendium Arcanum Volume 2: 1st-Level Spells (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Martial Arts Guidebook (forthcoming) (PFRPG, designer; Rite Publishing)
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Kyrene
Senior Scribe
South Africa
767 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jul 2008 : 07:32:04
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Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Kajehase
Now, now Markus. Such glee in the face of others' misfortune is unbecoming.
Actually it is kinda funny!
I have to agree!
Could we say his 'glee' is at 'max'?
Oh, and kudos Kiaransalyn. That blog was one of the funniest/scariest things I've read in a long time. The wit is indded mightier than the sword. |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
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Posted - 31 Jul 2008 : 05:09:31
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Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
Man that Gleemax crap was useless... perfect example of a big company hiring a marketing company to do something "cool", with no real aim or purpose behind the hiring...
I always saw it as the effect of the hobnobs of WoTC coming back from some strategy-seminar where terms like "web 2.0" and "user-generated content" was bandied about a lot but didn't quite know what they meant. (Okay, so they could probably figure out "user-generated..." My four-year old cousin can do that, and he won't be able to speak English for another four or five years. |
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Kiaransalyn
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
762 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jul 2008 : 07:03:47
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I don't think these guys really speak English either. They probably use terms like "leverage" "core market expansion" "negative customer satisfaction" "brand" and other such Business Speak.
Business Speak is a bit like Orwell's NewSpeak full of acronyms, jargon and double-think. (A bit like my signature really.) |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 31 Jul 2008 : 07:52:22
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Originally posted by Kiaransalyn
I don't think these guys really speak English either. They probably use terms like "leverage" "core market expansion" "negative customer satisfaction" "brand" and other such Business Speak.
Business Speak is a bit like Orwell's NewSpeak full of acronyms, jargon and double-think. (A bit like my signature really.)
In Canada we often refer to your Business Speak as "Buzzwords." Buzzwords not only include your above examples, but more annoyingly, also include: play ball, let's touch base, power lunch, core value and marketing research (the latter example being an oxymoron). |
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Kiaransalyn
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
762 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jul 2008 : 09:19:18
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We also call them buzzwords. Although actually what we really call it is bulls**t bingo. Which is a great game to play for tedious meetings and lectures. Every player takes a card and jots down ten buzzwords they expect to hear. The winner gets a drink bought for him or her. Of course, if the winner actually shouts "bingo" it's funnier and they get more drinks.
Anyway, to get back on topic after reading some of the latest press releases/blog entries from WoWfans of the Crust it's clear they speak like this all day. At the bottom of the pile are a bunch of people with no direction and no motivation as a result of realising how badly their dream has turned out to be. Incidentally, that reminds of Monte Cook's blog. That's a good read and a nice insight into behind the scenes. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jul 2008 : 14:27:41
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We in the US call them buzzwords too. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 04 Aug 2008 : 20:53:20
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I wonder if THIS had anything to do with their new focus?
Utterly bizzare, and I can do all sorts of speculating ATM, but it would be HIGHLY inappropriate.
Just sad. |
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Pandora
Learned Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 05 Aug 2008 : 07:16:37
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Originally posted by Kajehase
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Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
Man that Gleemax crap was useless... perfect example of a big company hiring a marketing company to do something "cool", with no real aim or purpose behind the hiring...
I always saw it as the effect of the hobnobs of WoTC coming back from some strategy-seminar where terms like "web 2.0" and "user-generated content" was bandied about a lot but didn't quite know what they meant. (Okay, so they could probably figure out "user-generated..." My four-year old cousin can do that, and he won't be able to speak English for another four or five years.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36998 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2008 : 14:20:56
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Originally posted by Markustay
I wonder if THIS had anything to do with their new focus?
Utterly bizzare, and I can do all sorts of speculating ATM, but it would be HIGHLY inappropriate.
Just sad.
It is very sad... But that happened this week. The web issues have existed for a while, and I don't think a company would change something successful due to the loss of a project head. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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dwarvenranger
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 05 Aug 2008 : 16:14:29
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
We in the US call them buzzwords too.
I'd be more inclined to call it infernal . |
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