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Dhomal
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 Posted - 31 May 2007 : 04:20:47
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Hello-
I dont recall when exactly, but I beleive it was early 2006 and it came to light in Ed's scroll that there was something in the Old Grey Box that was as-yet 'undiscovered'.
Obviously - this is not a simple fact - as I cant even begin to guess how many scribes here - and those not here - have read those books - and how many times they have done just that.
I decided that i would try and dig into the books myself and try and 'figure out' what was being eluded to.
I read both - and took notes on numerous things. I have not clearly identified what was being eluded to, unfortunately.
I dont know for certain - but I think that possibly this 'hidden gem' may be something self-contained within those two books. IIRC when it was mentioned that it existed - the comment was that it had been 'hidden' since the box came out. This does not mean for sure that it need not reference any other source - but I am leaning towards that as being true.
What I am looking for is to have other people read through sections of the 2 books and try and find connections where i have not. I will also shortly post here (by editing this) a list of my general notes - in an effort to jump-start people thinking about this.
Thanks, and my Oghma look kindly upon our efforts!
Dhomal
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These are the notes I took. I separated them by book, as I read each one, cover to cover. I also list a page number, so references can be re-found somewaht easilly. Sometimes there is column reference - or sub-heading reference. Some of these are just "hmmmm" type things, and some seem to lead ina particular direction. A few also are my 'fading memory' type things that possibly someone else may be able to 'click together'. Some are just things that I thought could be interesting tidbits to ask Ed about further clairification/info - and thus are not directly related to any missing lore - as far as I can tell. Over the course of reading these books - the notes took on a more curious tone than inquisitive. Perhaps some may find these odd references interesting in an of themselves.
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EDIT 2: OK - I will endeavour to shade out the items that have had some responce to them. I have printed out the Forum Codes to do this - so I hope I can do this without much fuss!
Blue text will be for items of low-possibility that have been cleared up.
Green text will indicate something that has been altered - or answered. Reference will be made as to where when possible/available.
Purple text will indicate where something has been answered - but a new question has arisen.
Also - answers/additional questions after the firs posting will be inside these brackets --> { and }
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DM's Sourcebook:
p8 - 3rd Col - "Many high-level people are politely asked to leave Krynn (DL) and many come to the FR.."
p13 - 2/3 Col - Water travel - River Lis is clear from Moonsea to the Dragon Reach - "Falls reduced by M-U's from the Moonsea cities." Who/When?
p15 - 3rd Col - 1st part - "Flight of Dragons last occured in "Year of the Worm" My notes here is to confirm date to make sure it all fits in correctly...
p21 - Eressea - building a temple to Mystra in Shadowdale - did this get finished? {OK - so the temple was finished. The listing mentions that they are also awaiting the arrival of one, Erluidan to head the temple - who never arrived (apparently). So the new questions - Why did they not arrive - and Who is running the temple now?}
p22 - Florin - Mielikki told him to "Marry Dove and have children - because it was necessary - did they have one - or more children as it seems the plural is asked for... {the son has been named, Azalar - is he an only child? Mielikki Did say 'children' :)
p25 - Lanseril - Just an interesting note that the word "Machiavellian" was used near the bottom of the 2nd Col....
p31 - Sundeth - Dating error? Seems that she dies at the age of 17 - and was a 9th level cleric....
p33 - Whisper - listed as " held 2 of the 7 lost Rings of Mhzentul" What are these? {Referenced in various sources, including Volo's Guide to all Things Magical.}
p36 Ches - Statues that walk in Mulhorand - any more info?
p36 - Ches - Mad Witch of Archendale was found muttering "Dove! Dove! Smashed the black star.....Dove! I know this one is marked as not being elaborated on - but I am curious anyway!
p42 - Mirtul - High Priest of Gond disappears from Tilverton AND a new temple of Gond opens in Essembra. Coincidence?
p42 - Kythorn - The hunt arrives in Tilverton, apparently w/ Cormyr's permission - 12 strong - No priests - none have seen them before... (No priest - and Tilverton just lost a High Priest of Gond - coincidence?)
p43 - Flamerule - Middle Col - Reference of a new trading coster - Firehands Group - is the city mentioned supposed to be WaterDEEP or WESTgate - as it is printed as Watergate... (I dont recall a city bythe name of Watergate....) {Answerd by THO - the city is in fact supposed to be Westgate.}
p45 - Uktar - Flying ship Blue Diamond created somewhere in the Utter East seen in the Vilhoon region - headed North - any more info?
p45 - Nightal - mention is made of a dragon, Draughthothnor - who was slain by 5 wizards 260 years previous - and its hoard never found... is this Dragon in the Dragon List? Kuje - I know you have been finding a lot of omissions on this! :)
p45 - Nightal - last entry - Ring of Winter hinted at being found. My curiosity is - is the hint here due to someone planning the book this early - or did someone find this entry and "run with it"
p50 - Area 13 - Map of faerun from old on the wall - has anyone looked at what it lists as being there / not being there to see if the listings match the history dating? :)
p53 - Area 24 - female tabaxi named "Miiyeriiel" - Any info on where Tabaxi cxome from in the Realms. Also - this name seems somewhat familiar to me.... {Some few scattered references, but not a lot of detail.}
p56 - Area 3 - listed as able to be cleared for "non-tournament campaign play" - what tournament was this used for? :) {Lashan's Fall played at Gen Con XVII in 1984. Anyone know if they used pre-gen characters for this.. might be interesting to try and track them down...}
p62 - Nchaser's book - Was gifted to a "Lord Nasher" for a charter - Where is Lord nasher a Lord - and what sort of charter was granted? {"presumably" of neverwinter.}
p65 - Several names are listed throughout - and may be familiar to me - also - Tharstag is listed as having risen "..to take the lordship of a tiny northern dale where he died some 70 winters ago." What dale?
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2nd Edit:
p68 - 1st Col - Reference to the "seven wizards" of Myth Drannor - including one only known as "Mentor" - I beleive this has been touched on since this reference - but cant recall exactly what - or where - or how much....
p68 - 1st Col - Sage of Moonshaes - Flamsterd had purchased this book - and now he - and his tower have disappeared... has this been touched upon since?
p72/3 - Apparently Daimos gave this book to an apprentice - eventually a mage/sage in Waterdeep acquired it and never used the Great Shout - until a spell-duel w/ a more powerful opponent - both perished in the duel... in the ashes of the mage was scrawled the message "Daimos Reclaims his own" - Any further references to this?
p74 - Book of Num the Mad - contains text that could be construed as Num being favored by silvanus....(possible 'chosen' - of the non-Mystran type?)
p76 - last para - Mention of "Silverymoon" as a beast cult - and noted as also being referenced in Dragon #54 [perhaps I should dig That out!] - and further mention - and/or connection with the city?
p90 - A book with a moving picture - along with a name spelled in bones in the picture - which is actually a gate to an extradimensional place. the book seems to be sought out by ilithids... I note two thgings with this: 1) Is this the only reference to a gate that is Mobile? If it is - or even if not - its possible that this is why the Ilithids are after it - to try and replicate the process - because a mobile gate would be a Very powerful tool indeed. 2) I postulate that the word spelled out in bones may be the activation word for the gate - and that the Scalmagdrion can't utter the word due to the fact that it radiates silence about itself... and IT has spelled the word out in bones - to try and dupe people into saying it while looking at the picture - thus activating the gate...
p93 - 1st Col - There is reference to a 'vanished Iltkazar' - is this Erlkazar from EotSS? Or is this Another lost kingdom? :)
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Cyclopedia of the Realms:
p5 - last para - Census of Shadowdale, taken from its "Book of Days" on the eve of a recent battle... Do we know what battle this is in reference to? Many of the entries list people having died in battle - so - should this note have been post-battle - or is the term 'eve' here in reference to 'evening' as opposed to 'night before'. Also - the way it is worded "IT'S Book of Days" seems to indicate that Other communities have such a book - is this largely true? And in either case - how readilly available is the information IN this/these books for people IN the Realms...
p6 - About the calendar - created by "Harptos of Kaalinth" Where is Kaalinth? :)
p7 - Year-counting - I just note here that I am curios how many different year-dating systems actually exist - and whether or not between them - even if the Number of the year differs - if it is generally accepted that the Names are the same. It would be hard enough to reconcile dates from say - 3-4 differing systems - but to have some systems displace the roll of years by even just a year (or more!) could be disastrous in trying to keep dates and events in order....
p8 - Languages - There is mention of an "elven common" as well as a "dwarven common" - is this covered abywhere else?
p13 - Oghma - It mentions that he is the same in FR as in L&L, save for the lack in FR of Truenames, other than those provided ny the spell of the same name...
p14 - Sune - lives in Arvandor & shares w/ Hanali the waters of the Evergold - any more info in this river/lake etc?
p15/16 - Tyr - Listed as being a "new" faith - appearing in the FR in the last 1000 years - does this jive with other references?
p16 - Waukeen - Listed as "relatively new" about the same time as Tyr - could something connect these two deities - or - did something happen around that time that precipitated a need/desire for additional deities .....
p18 - There is a reference to some people (in FR) rejecting the deities and follow none of their own - and the reference seems to indicate that this is OK - could this just be their own misconceptions - or was this changed deliberately?
p21 - 3rd Col - 1st Bullet - There is a reference to leadership of groups - and some use a 1-level, 1 vote setup. This is the only in-lore example of directly acknowledging levels in the Realms...
p23 - Anauroch - last line - "...for the loss of such great cities as Orolin." - Do we know where this city is/was?
p26 - Baldurs gate - referenced once as "Baldurs Deep" Could this be another Waterdeep mixup - or is it a seldom-used alternate name?
p28 - Battle of the Bones - Just an odd note - there is reference to a Lich, spelled Liche...
p29 - Candlekeep - Described as being on a spur of "Volcanic rock" - thus seeming to indicate either a one-time volcano in the general vicinity, Or some tectonic movement that caused the rock to be thrust upward from lower places... Or - I suppose it could be collateral 'vulcanism' from when the elves split the continent....
p31 - There is mention of Quicklings in Cloak Wood - is this the only reference to them? Also here - there is speculation that there may be a gate to another plane here - it mentions a number of fey that are common there - and also that the gate may lead to a plane where they are more common - Faerie?
p36 - 3rd Col - There is mention of " a large number of Pre-elvish ruins in the area" - and these attract adventurers... But - since currently it is held that the humans migrated to the dales from the East and South - what would be Pre-elvish?.....
p38 - under Dragons - these 'recent' attacks were said to be the work of the Cult of teh Dragons, and some beleive it was cyclic... strange how things seem to repeat themselves some...
p40 - Darlag's Tower - Built entirely of volcanic stone, and lies atop a volcanic plug that dominates the surrounding lands... I had recalled someone here once asking about volcanic references - so that is mainbly why I include them...
p40 - Dwarves - a mention about how long they have been dwindling in number - " since the days dragons controlled the lands of Cormyr, and the sunrise mountains still spouted flames and steam." - Volcanic reference I beleive....
p41 - 1st Col - It is mentioned that surface Dwarves hate Duergar more than the elves hate the drow.... whoa - I dont think we have seen This referenced before!
p44 - Evermeet - mentioned as having the mightiest navy "..of this hemisphere" - Hmmm - makes me wonder - is this a reference to Kara-Tur, Zakhara, or even more distant lands who may have a stronger navy....
p47 - Half-elves - It mentions that 2nd generation half-elves only result if 2 half-elves marry [and have children](as in the case in Aglarond). Interesting!
p50 - Hill of Lost Souls - "Once in the years before even elves lived in the north - this was an extinct volcano...
p52 - A mention of the Wyvernspur family having a home in Immersea
p55 - Knights of the North - mentions that the Citadel of the Raven was used to protect the moonsea cities form "Bestmen" Attacks - just curious who or what these "Beastmen" are.... {these are assumed to be the Ogres.}
p55 - Random note - the member list of the Knights of the Shield looks familiar in some ways...
p55 - Lantan - includes mention of an isle named Suj - and my maps are elsewhere - is thi on the map?
p56 - Lantan - last para - gained knowledge of printing press from Halruaa - neithe rlegally, nor properly.... :)
p57 - Outside Beregost is an old school of magic, now ruined, which pre-dates recent (10 yr) activity of such schools in the North - any other information on this school?
p57 - bottom of 2nd Col - Universities are run out of a string private homes in Cormyr....
p58 - The graphic of the symbol of the Simbul reminds me of a sharn a little... heh
p59 - Marsh of Chelimber - mention of a mage from Ireabor named Taskar "The Terrible" - the name sounds familiar....
p60 - Bloodaxe Merc Co. - dating error? It is listed as being founded 40 winters ago - but the original leader died in 1306.....
p62 - Six Coffers Merchant Priakos - It says only 4/6 of original partners survive, but mention a 5th person as running it - Thelve Baruinheld of Berdusk - is he just not an original member? And if that is the case - how odd is it that 4 other, original members - would allow a non-original person to run it?
p65 - Moonshea - Rumored to live somewhere here is the Llewyrr - an elvish people - there are also listed small bands of reclusive dwarves...{mentioned as largely having been covered in the 2 moonshae trilogies.}
p66 - Myth Drannor - last para - KLnights of Myth Drannor have disappeared and no knowledge of their fate..... I know this is 'dated' - how long were they misisng for - and (of course!) what happened? NDA, mostly I would assume.
p70 - Pros - former common port until its harbors silted up. Question - why not de-silt them - and why did the silt become a problem - usually this would mean some sort of 'event' upriver - unless it was actually just constant - and nobody noticed until it was too late...
p71 - Rashemen - To its East - rocky/grassy wastelands & several 'rumored' kingdoms of men - when did this change and how? or is it just 'local conception, etc.) I assume these references are for the Tuighan, Shou - and the smaller elements discussed in that fine Dragon article from a few month back....
p71 - Rashemen - re: "Old Wolf" Targoth Athkarr - what became of him after being taken in by the Witches?
p76 - Sembia - Ironic - the Elves build Hillsfar originally as a trade-spot with humans - and IIRC - are now not welcome in the city....
p76 - Sembia - rauthauvyr the Raven rode North into elven lands - and was not seen again - curious as to what happened here...
p77 - Shadowdale - Mention of Doust Sulwood & his companions doing things including "...bested Dracolich attacks of the Dragon Lords..." Who are the Dragon Lords - or possibly an altenate / disused name of the Cult of the Dragon? Also - they are listed as trying to build a stronghold inside the city - any update on Those efforts? :)
p77 - Shadowdale - in describing "Old Skull" - the hill - it mentions the area as being 'lava melted' indicating some sort of volcanic activity....
p77/79 - former Lord of Shadowdale - Jyordhan - went to Waterdeep and died there while with Khelben - a 'chosen' connection somehow?
p79 - Interesting note: - Elminster & Lheao are listed as "Takling their residence" in the Tower of Ashaba...
p79 - Former Lord of Shadowdale - Aumry - his lady Sylune (!) had (after his death) his staff and cloak buried with him. These were later stolen by Lashan - and he still has the satff as of the last sighting of him....
p81 - Standing Stone - near the end it mentions that the 2nd road was routed by this to point out that "..not all men need to deal at the point of a sword.." Does this somehow connect to the listing under Sembia (p70) where the current ruler, Eluth Yarmmaster, is said to resist annexing some/all of the vacated Elven Lands - "Quoting an old saying 'Swords speak, but they do not listen.' "
p81 - Suzail - mantion of Azoun IV having a protective magic that will teleport him away if gravely threatened..... apparently not?
p85 - Turmish - the people are said to be "Tall, and mahogony-skinned"
p87 - Vale of Lost Voices - said to be guarded for the elves by another unknown being.......
p89 - Westgate - "..Reports speak of strife in the city by night...."
p89 - Wheloon - Ruler - Lord Sarp redbeard - the last name sounds familiar to me - possibly a relative mentioned elsewhere I am remembering....
p90 - Wood of Sharp Teeth - lost, ruined city in the forest depths - has this ever been mentioned / eluded to again?
p92 - Yhaunn - retains its old, Chondathan name - apparently this are was settled by Chondath - or at least people from Chondath....
p93 - Zhentil Keep Network - the Flowchart / power graph has a lot of names... possibly some duplication from elsewhere.....
p95 - there is a farmer in Shadowdale with a son named Presper....
p95 - A farmer is said to have mainly retired - and is now farming the Tower farm for Lord Mourngrym - & his previous land has been used to erect a temple to Lathander - did we know this was there? :0 - I canbt remember.....
p96 - a farmer is listed as having a daughter by the anme of April... just somewhat interesting....
p96 - a farmer is listed as having a daughter, illistyl w/ concealed magical abilities - plus the name is familiar to me...
OK - Thats all my notes! Whew! (sorry for the long post!)
Dhomal
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Edited by - Dhomal on 21 Jun 2007 01:23:06
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Jorkens
Great Reader
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Posted - 31 May 2007 : 16:19:45
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| This seems like somewhat of a Sisyphean task as there are literally thousands of possibilities and as many interpretations of each possibility. That being said i could always make an effort at least, just give me a limited area of one of the books and I will see what I can find. It might bring up some interesting details even if I have little faith in us finding the "hidden gem" |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 31 May 2007 : 22:26:21
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| Don't think that dragon is in the list and I dunno if I grabbed it, since it was deceased. I only started adding the deceased ones because they are in the 3.5e material. |
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 01 Jun 2007 : 01:12:33
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I think Ed was referring to some implication about how things work beneath the surface of the Realms, some hinted connection about the secret causes of things.
Shadowdale's temple to Tymora was finished; Erluidan never arrived.
Florin and Dove had a son, Azalar.
Mhzentul's rings are mentioned in various sources including Volo's Guide to All Things Magical.
"Lashan's Fall" was played at Gen Con XVII in 1984.
Lord Nasher is presumably he of Neverwinter.
I too wish to learn more of Marchayn (and Jhavanter, and Ilythyrra of Sevenskulls . . .) |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 01 Jun 2007 : 02:11:07
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I am forbidden to answer this one directly, but I will help in some small way by answering some of Dhomal's queries, sporadically.
First: Ed wasn't talking about the Ring of Winter. And yes, that p45 entry was (if Ed has been informed correctly) spotted by Jim Lowder who then wrote a novel about the Ring.
The page 8 note cannot be what Ed was referring to, as he didn't write it. Jeff Grubb or editor Karen Boomgaarden most likely did.
The page 43 note was either a Freudian slip or a deliberate joke by someone at TSR, changing Ed's original text ("Westgate") into "Watergate" (that well-known American political scandal in the Nixon administration, actually the name of an apartment /office towers complex in Washington, D.C.).
There. That's a start. 
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Jorkens
Great Reader
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Posted - 01 Jun 2007 : 08:57:08
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I have a slight feeling that it is something more diffuse, it could even be more of a general tendency than a specific note. This reminds me why I love the Grey Box.
As for the tabaxi, I believe this is the only mention of them in the Realms with the exception of the human people of the same name in Chult. As to this specific tabaxi's origin, it might come from another plane, from another continent or from some hidden valley of the south.
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 01 Jun 2007 : 10:28:13
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quote:
Originally posted by Jorkens
As for the tabaxi, I believe this is the only mention of them in the Realms with the exception of the human people of the same name in Chult.
Nope. I just found repeated references. Page 186 of Volo's Guide to the Dalelands, page 80 of the Villain's Lorebook, page 68 of Pages From the Mages, pages 15 and 60 of Gold & Glory, several references in Fires of Zatal... And more.
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Jorkens
Great Reader
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Posted - 01 Jun 2007 : 15:08:20
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Damn, I should have remembered the one in the Volo guide as it even has an illustration of the tabaxi. Now how did I manage to overlook those other references? Well, so much for the approaching title of Master of Realmslore.
I am away from my books right now, but I seem to remember there being a mention of a Snow People of Thar or something like among the rumours/happenings. Where these ever mentioned again? I cant really fit them into the cultures as we see them today unless they are southern branches of the Sossrim or the peoples of the Glacier.
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Jun 2007 : 00:12:35
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quote:
Originally posted by Jorkens
Damn, I should have remembered the one in the Volo guide as it even has an illustration of the tabaxi. Now how did I manage to overlook those other references? Well, so much for the approaching title of Master of Realmslore.
I am away from my books right now, but I seem to remember there being a mention of a Snow People of Thar or something like among the rumours/happenings. Where these ever mentioned again? I cant really fit them into the cultures as we see them today unless they are southern branches of the Sossrim or the peoples of the Glacier.
Some of my players know those "Catfolk" from the Velvet Veil pretty well. |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Jun 2007 : 11:59:30
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
quote:
Originally posted by Jorkens
Damn, I should have remembered the one in the Volo guide as it even has an illustration of the tabaxi. Now how did I manage to overlook those other references? Well, so much for the approaching title of Master of Realmslore.
I am away from my books right now, but I seem to remember there being a mention of a Snow People of Thar or something like among the rumours/happenings. Where these ever mentioned again? I cant really fit them into the cultures as we see them today unless they are southern branches of the Sossrim or the peoples of the Glacier.
Some of my players know those "Catfolk" from the Velvet Veil pretty well.
The ridiculous thing is that I used the festhall in a campaign a few years ago, with the tabaxi and all.
Now, a couple of notes.
p65 - Moonshea - Rumored to live somewhere here is the Llewyrr - an elvish people - there are also listed small bands of reclusive dwarves... These are pretty well covered in the two Moonshae trilogies.
p55 - Knights of the North - mentions that the Citadel of the Raven was used to protect the Moonsea cities form "Bestmen" Attacks - just curious who or what these "Beastmen" are.... Beastmen is a local name for the ogres of Thar.
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sleyvas
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Posted - 07 Jun 2007 : 21:30:07
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| I'm thinking Ed was just acting devilishly sneaky to be... well, devilishly sneaky for devilishly sneaky reasons. It would be his way, and why we all love the realms. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 28 Jun 2007 : 22:36:58
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Iltkazar is an old Dwarvish name, and refers to the entire range of mountains in that region, including the Snowflake, Kulden Peaks, Omlarandin, High Peaks, Cloven, and Deeepwing mountains, and may have included the Orsraun Run, Giant's Run, and Troll Mountains as well at one time.
I believe the Dwarves had a subterranean realm there called Iltkazar, and the humans above used it initially for the region as well, but it later became Erlkazar when the surface kingdom gained its independence from Tethyr. Steven Schend created quite a bit of interesting history for that region.
Watergate is funny, and I would keep it - just make it a fashionable inn where the Lords of waterdeep like to put up visiting guests to their city... complete with roooms with built-in scrying spells. 
There are in fact two Tabaxi, which is confusing. Whats worse is that the Tabaxi catpeople originate in Maztica, just north of the tribe known as Tabaxi in katashaka. IMG, and for things I'm working on in the WotC 'Kara-Tur Redux' thread, I have it where somewhere WAY back in time the Rakshasa had a war with the Yuan-ti/Sarrukh. The serpentfolk were busilly creating lesser races to fight for them, and the Rakshasa picked up on the idea and bread several species of 'catfolk', including Quoggoth and Wemics. During that time period, they captured a group of tabaxi warriors and turned them into the tabaxi catfolk, but the resulting crossbreed still referred to themselves as 'tabaxi', hence the confusion. Thats certainly NOT canon, but it works for me.
Older material often included references to other worlds, and I believe Khelben, Elnminster, and Vangerdhast were all frequent visitors to GH. In fact, the 'real' Khelben Arunson lives in the city of Greyhawk. Also, quite a bit was borrowed from Mystara for the setting. Ed himself did the original halfling region for that setting, and a lot of lore made the transition to FR (Aranea, Hin, Avarials, etc). |
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Brian R. James
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Posted - 29 Jun 2007 : 01:59:19
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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
During that time period, they captured a group of tabaxi warriors and turned them into the tabaxi catfolk, but the resulting crossbreed still referred to themselves as 'tabaxi', hence the confusion.
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 29 Jun 2007 : 03:18:38
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Thanks Brian; sometimes the simplest explanation works best.
As far as the OP goes, now you've peeked my curiousity. Heres some answers for you -
Waterdeep also has a printing press, and in Kara-Tur they have invented it… for the third time!
Shou-Lung’s navy is mightier then Evermeet’s, because they have FAR MORE spelljammers. However, that couldn’t have been the reference because I don’t believe that lore was known when the grey box came out.
I believe there was a 10th level ‘volcano spell’ available to the Netherese, and that could explain all the random volcanism present.
“Taskar” sounds like Task, a Dragon God.
Pre-Elvish ruins most likely refer to the Creator races, of which there are four (before the Elves came, that is). The fact that both the Sarrukh and the Elves were involved with the Nether Scrolls makes me lean toward the Sarrukh for that blurb. There were also at least two, perhaps as many as four, other groups of Elves that pre-dated the Tintageer Elves, but it doesn’t sound like that is referencing them.
Pg.71 – Now you are on my turf.
There is lost Tsharoon, and the Suren… fallen Solon, and forgotten Bakar… the old kingdom of Guge and ancient Tempat Larang, not to mention Raumathar… and those are just the ones that are gone. There are dozens of current kingdoms there, including Murghôm, Semphar, Kazari, Ra-Khati, all of the oriental-style lands of Kara-Tur, the Issacorte nation of the Ama-basin, and the newly formed country of Yaïmmunahar. There are also some non-human nations as well, like Siremun and Songfarla. If you are referring to the “rocky/grassy wastelands”, that describes the endless wastes perfectly. The regions further east are more of the desert/dry steppes we think of when we think of the Hordelands.
The Turmish are decended from the Turami, who were indeed a “Tall, Mahogany skinned people”, and most likely the original inhabitants of most of southern Faerûn.
Vale of Lost Voices – Its in the FRCS, but it just says its being guarded by the ghosts and spirits of dead Elves. This could be a possible reference to a Baelnorn, since I believe several operate out of nearby Myth drannor.
The Westgate reference I believe refers to vampire activity.
As far as all of the Shadowdale references toward the end, I can read into many of them. We know who Laelo turned out to be, so thats no longer a secret. There are a couple of others in there as well that may have made novel appearances - not sure though, but they sound familiar. Jhaele Silvermane sounds more like a Drow name (Jaelre?), and there are a few suspicious characters mentioned. In the very last sentence in the book, it mentions that the dragon that killed Sylune was sent by the Cult of the Dragon; I'm not sure if that has come up again anywhere.
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Kuje
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Posted - 29 Jun 2007 : 03:38:13
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Jhaele Silvermane sounds more like a Drow name (Jaelre?),
No, she's the proprietor of the Old Skull Inn in Shadowdale. She is not a dark elf. :) |
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Dhomal
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Posted - 29 Jun 2007 : 04:24:25
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Hello-
Well - thanks for the replies! I was just starting to think this thread had died the slow death! LOL
I will, tomorrow, update the original post with this imformation.
Still just about 2 months before GenCon - I was hoping to try and get to the bottom of this by than - but perhaps it is something very subtle underneath everything...
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Markustay
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Posted - 29 Jun 2007 : 06:57:45
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Originally posted by Markustay
Jhaele Silvermane sounds more like a Drow name (Jaelre?),
No, she's the proprietor of the Old Skull Inn in Shadowdale. She is not a dark elf. :)
Yeah, I realize that, but I was just making an observation. 
There is a reference to an "Orvar the Unseen" on pg.20, and he "remains an unseen foe to this day". That sounds a lot like something 'undiscovered'. |
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