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gribble_the_munchkin
Acolyte
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 Posted - 14 May 2007 : 14:53:06
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Ok, i know that outsiders when slain are actually banished to their native plane, and that they don't actually die.
Now, can someone answer me on these issues.
1) outsiders slain on the material plane are simply banished back to their home plane. But if they are slain on another plane (say a demon killed in torms realms) do they die or go back to their native plane.
2) if a "prime" is slain in a plane that isn't the prime material, i am reasonably certain they die. Is this true or do they get banished back home?
3) if an outsider, say an imp, is killed in Faerun it is therefore banished to the hells (or the abyss, i can never remember whether they are lawful or if thats Quasits). Do they leae a body behind and if so does this mean that they form a new body on their home plane.
4) am i correct in assuming that a banished beastie (either through death or the banishment spells) is banished for 101 years. I seem to remember this from the Drizzt novels but haven't seen it in game. If not could a banished creature with gate or planeshift and improved teleport simply come back in a round or two?
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 May 2007 : 15:47:01
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Originally posted by gribble_the_munchkin
Ok, i know that outsiders when slain are actually banished to their native plane, and that they don't actually die.
Now, can someone answer me on these issues.
1) outsiders slain on the material plane are simply banished back to their home plane. But if they are slain on another plane (say a demon killed in torms realms) do they die or go back to their native plane.
2) if a "prime" is slain in a plane that isn't the prime material, i am reasonably certain they die. Is this true or do they get banished back home?
3) if an outsider, say an imp, is killed in Faerun it is therefore banished to the hells (or the abyss, i can never remember whether they are lawful or if thats Quasits). Do they leae a body behind and if so does this mean that they form a new body on their home plane.
4) am i correct in assuming that a banished beastie (either through death or the banishment spells) is banished for 101 years. I seem to remember this from the Drizzt novels but haven't seen it in game. If not could a banished creature with gate or planeshift and improved teleport simply come back in a round or two?
1) They only can be killed if they are on their native plane. So if they are not on their native plane, they return to their native plane.
2) Aye, anything that is mortal that is killed on the planes is still dead.
3) Some leave bodies behind, some do not. Really, it's a judgement call. However, I think in 3/3.5e they leave bodies behind. In the older material, they usually didn't.
4) Some are banished for that long and some aren't. Again, it's hard to give an exact answer here. So, your call. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 14 May 2007 : 16:44:41
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| And just in case it comes up, mortals from the Prime Material that are astrally projecting and end up in one of the outer planes have a body made of "native" material, which means that if that body is killed, they just shoot right back to their bodies on the Prime Material plane rather than being killed, unless someone severs their silver cord (the cord that attatches their soul to their bodies), in which case they do actually die, since their soul is no longer connected to their body. |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
1695 Posts |
Posted - 14 May 2007 : 19:21:03
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Originally posted by gribble_the_munchkin
4) am i correct in assuming that a banished beastie (either through death or the banishment spells) is banished for 101 years. I seem to remember this from the Drizzt novels but haven't seen it in game. If not could a banished creature with gate or planeshift and improved teleport simply come back in a round or two?
Back in the Old Rules, an Outsider that was banished by being slain was prevented from re-entering the plane they were slain on by their own power for 100 years. The only way they were able to re-enter said plane before the 100 years was up, was to be summoned by someone on that plane.
With the New Rules, nothing is really touched on.
Also not all Outsiders were "Immortal" in this fashion, many of the lesser Outsiders when slain, no matter what plane they were on, were Dead permanently.
With Fiends it was typically only the Greater and Major or higher ranked Fiends that this applied to in the Old Rules. |
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Aureus
Learned Scribe
Luxembourg
125 Posts |
Posted - 15 May 2007 : 11:57:43
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| does that mean that planetouched like Aasimar, half-celestials etc are returned to their native plane (if they are not born in the prime material) when they are "killed" or do they die like common mortals? |
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questing gm
Master of Realmslore
Malaysia
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Posted - 15 May 2007 : 12:58:51
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Aasimars and Tieflings follow the normal rules of mortals since they are native to the prime. This is mentioned in the FRCS.
I'm not sure about half-celestials though...but they are half afterall so i would say that the same applies to them as well... |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 15 May 2007 : 14:28:12
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Originally posted by questing gm
Aasimars and Tieflings follow the normal rules of mortals since they are native to the prime. This is mentioned in the FRCS.
I'm not sure about half-celestials though...but they are half afterall so i would say that the same applies to them as well...
However, I still use the Planescape rules so not all aasimar and tieflings are native to the Prime, since some of them are planars. :) So, the planar versions would have different rules on how they die. Besides, this is still the case in 3/3.5e material for creatures that are on other planes if those creatures are native to the Prime and vice versa for creatures that die on the Prime that are native to other planes. |
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Edited by - Kuje on 15 May 2007 14:30:19 |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
1695 Posts |
Posted - 15 May 2007 : 18:23:03
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Originally posted by Aureus
does that mean that planetouched like Aasimar, half-celestials etc are returned to their native plane (if they are not born in the prime material) when they are "killed" or do they die like common mortals?
As far as I know of, all of the planetouched are still considered "mortal" even though they are Outsiders, so no matter where they died at, they would be just Dead.
This would also apply to Half-Outsiders, unless both sides of the family were "True" Outsiders, IMO. |
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