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Valius
Acolyte
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 Posted - 28 Apr 2003 : 16:59:29
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Does anyone know of a good fp crpg(besides morrowind).Just thought Id ask.
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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4740 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2003 : 20:12:39
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| What, do you mean the Forgotten Realms series of computer games. |
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Hymn
Senior Scribe
Sweden
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Posted - 28 Apr 2003 : 20:45:01
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I dont't know if there's any Forgotten Realms FP CRPG game out there.
The closest in you get in Faerun would bee Neverwinter Nights. You can almost get an FP view if you trick with the camera enough. If I remeber corectly there is a hack that makes the camre go in to FP view. I haven't tried it, so I don't know of the bugs etc. But it shouldn't be to hard to find. |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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4740 Posts |
Posted - 29 Apr 2003 : 03:06:32
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| You're forgetting that the 2e games were all first-person. Plus you can get the collection (at least 12 games, maybe more depending on the version) for a pretty good price online. Dungeon Hack, Menzoberranzan, and the Eye of the Beholder trilogy were my favorites. |
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Edain Shadowstar
Senior Scribe
USA
455 Posts |
Posted - 29 Apr 2003 : 03:10:43
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| The next quetion I am going to ask is evidence of my degredation to the worst type of gamer: How are th graphics on those old games? |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 29 Apr 2003 : 05:40:08
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Well, I didn't mind them. Eye of the Beholder and Eye of the Beholder II: The Legend of Darkmoon were both a bit monotonous, but the action and the puzzles made up for it. Actually, the invariance kind of made it even harder. You didn't expect some things.
EotB III: The Ruins of Myth Drannor was a lot better in the graphics. A lot, really -- so much that I actually played it first. Of course, there was also the fact that that one had an "All Attack" button, meaning I didn't have to click on each weapon individually. And there was also the not-insignificant point that you start out at 11th-level.
What you're supposed to do is play them in order. You start at 3rd level and go through a complicated set of levels under Waterdeep. I stress complicated. Drow are a part of it, but they're not that hard, really. At the end, you switch the saved game (there's only one slot, but you can get around that by making copies of the file LEVELS.TMP -- just keep track of them) to start Darkmoon.
Actually, you don't have to do that, but this way you get most of the items and more experience than the default. Unfortunately, you don't get the experience of actually killing the beholder at the end, since you don't have time to save.
Darkmoon is a temple a ways from Waterdeep that Kelban sends you to to investigate. Turns out it's actually a dark temple in disguise (bet you didn't see that one from a mile out).
For the last one, you are transported to the area outside Myth Drannor by a Mysterious Guy In A Tavern. (They're tricksy, they are.) Like I said, the graphics are a lot better -- less mess, pixel-wise. There's also more of a story to it, which is enjoyable. The first was hack'n'slash, the second was hack'n'slash with an excuse for a plot. This one felt more like the story was considered before the puzzles and monsters. (Which were very good in all the games, mind you.)
Dungeon Hack uses the same graphic interface as EotB III. However, it's always a random layout for each level, with differet settings you can choose as well -- monster frequency/difficulty, enemy spells, whether there's undead, how many times you come up against locked doors (or none at all), how many levels, etc. Lots of options. There're also some advantages such as an automatic map (I like that, but then I'm lazy  ). Disadvantages are that some things are predictable. It's also completely hack'n'slash.
Finally, Menzoberranzan. This one is the most advanced. Very smooth motion, with a default 360 turning and motion option. You can switch it back to one-square-at-a-time, but I prefer the 360. There's also enough plot to write a minor book with -- completely non-canon, though. There's not even an attempt to be consistant with the Drizzt books. (By the way, you can have Drizzt join you at one point. I like the voice they used for him. You can also hear him reading his "No Drow Word For Love" essay/journal entry. I like that one.)
That good enough for you, you shallow gamer?    |
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Edain Shadowstar
Senior Scribe
USA
455 Posts |
Posted - 29 Apr 2003 : 05:50:08
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| First off, dragon boy, no one except me can make fun of me, so no calling me 'shallow gamer'. Now that I have proved my authorita-ay, dare I ask when these games were published? And also, are they in any kind of circulation, that is, can they be found abouts in stores and such? |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 29 Apr 2003 : 05:53:54
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| Last I checked, Amazon was still selling them retail as well as used. Half.com, I'm sure. Personally, I got mine at Best Buy. As for dates, I'm not sure. Late 80s for the earliest, I'd imagine. Menzo was more recent -- '93 is my guess. I don't actually have them here to check . . . . |
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Valius
Acolyte
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Posted - 29 Apr 2003 : 17:26:39
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Thanks, Bookwyrm now I know what to try out
Sorry for not makin the question clear. I have seen the 2e games for sale but never tried any of them because I wasnt that big into pc's then(I had a "antique" that could only play a text only version of wheel of fortune until about 5 years ago. I have NWN, but I was thinkin on the lines of a Morrowind style game. It would be cool if they made one like that. |
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
1287 Posts |
Posted - 29 Apr 2003 : 22:25:10
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm
You're forgetting that the 2e games were all first-person. Plus you can get the collection (at least 12 games, maybe more depending on the version) for a pretty good price online. Dungeon Hack, Menzoberranzan, and the Eye of the Beholder trilogy were my favorites.
This is not really correct if you count The Gold Box games, Pools of Radiance (1988), Curse of the Azure Bonds (1988), Secret of the Silver Blades (1989), and Pools of Darkness (1991). I played all of these bad boys on the Commodore 64, and they were a first person view (yeah that box on the upper left hand corner) only for travelling in dungeons. Whenever a combat occured it switched to a 3rd person battle map. ARRRGH!! I have to wait for the STUPID GOBLIN BATTLE TO LOAD!!! The combat map was turnbased, but it was through these games I learned the beauty if combining a Haste Spell with ENlarge. Also it was great to measure EXACTLY where your fireball was going to blast.
Those games were GEMS!!! Though the graphics were well C64... Secret of the Silver Blades was one of my favourite D&D games yet! And BARD'S TALE (1987) takes the trophy! This ranks with Ultima and Wizardry as far as adventure games go.
I have to admit it though, I am a shallow gamer. If I am going to play a text based game, I might as well read a book. Text based games never entertained me even during the days of the C64. I really need good graphics to enjoy a a computer game. With the C64 it was the best I could get at the time. BUT NOW!!! Dream land!
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 30 Apr 2003 : 06:10:13
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| That's strange. I never had a map, or anything except the monsters to be turn-based. (Meaning they moved in turns.) |
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Yasraena
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 30 Apr 2003 : 21:03:47
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I haven't seen anyone mention the "Might and Magic" series. Given, they're not FR based, but some cool RPG's nonetheless, AND they're first person in play.
I haven't played the last two in the series (I think it's up to M&M 9 now), but all the rest have to be some of the coolest CRPG's I've ever played. Story wise and play wise, but not so much graphics wise.
You could create a party of up to 6 PC's with all the basic classes and races (and some not so basic), and could control the combat by either turn based or realtime. In M&M7, you actually had skills that you could improve throughout the game, and actually had to to be able to finish the game. You had to go on side quests to find the teachers to improve these skills, and they were sometimes quite tough. Some main quests couldn't be completed unless you had a certain level of skill, and certain classes couldn't learn certain skills that the others could. Spellcasters had to join guilds to be able to have access to the more powerful spells in the game, and there was light and dark magic that had some powerful spells based on good and evil. I remember one dark magic spell that was the equivalent of a Power Word Nuke spell. It was so powerful, that it not only destroyed multiple targets outright, but damaged the party as well. Ouch! Needless to say you only cast that in very dire times.
Compared to most of the games out now, they ARE kind of dated graphics wise, but story and play wise, they can still hold their own. I'd really suggest checking them out. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 21 May 2003 : 13:47:18
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Bookwyrm said -
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Finally, Menzoberranzan. This one is the most advanced. Very smooth motion, with a default 360 turning and motion option. You can switch it back to one-square-at-a-time, but I prefer the 360. There's also enough plot to write a minor book with -- completely non-canon, though. There's not even an attempt to be consistant with the Drizzt books. (By the way, you can have Drizzt join you at one point. I like the voice they used for him. You can also hear him reading his "No Drow Word For Love" essay/journal entry. I like that one.)
Ahh, Menzoberranzan, that was the favorite of my collection. I have all the FR CRPG's from this era, some are even on my old Commodore Amiga 500. These were great games for the time. I even make a point of playing them once or twice a year.
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Edial
Acolyte
Romania
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jul 2003 : 06:12:22
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| Interesting looking game, but it's not Realmslore. Better not let Alaundo catch you! |
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Edial
Acolyte
Romania
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Posted - 01 Jul 2003 : 09:42:48
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erm.. please accept my apologies, i haven`t noticed that it has to be related to the realms..  |
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branmakmuffin
Senior Scribe
USA
428 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jul 2003 : 17:33:36
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Valius:
I don't think you need to worry. The topic started out indirectly talking about Morrowind.
Show me a member who claims all his or her posts are Realms-related and I'll show you a liar. |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jul 2003 : 23:21:32
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Originally posted by branmakmuffin
Show me a member who claims all his or her posts are Realms-related and I'll show you a liar.
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Sirendel dro ahm
Acolyte
United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Jul 2003 : 04:41:54
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daggerfall is fpv.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Kiwi
Acolyte
USA
20 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jul 2003 : 19:09:05
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Originally posted by Sage of Perth
Can you elaborate more on this, please?
You have never seen the second of the Elder Scrolls games from the Bethesda people? All three Elder Scrolls games are First Person. The interface for Daggerfall was less problematic than the new 3D one in Morrowind, but the game itself was tremendously buggy. Morrowind has not suffered from that problem.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Aravine
Senior Scribe
USA
608 Posts |
Posted - 22 Apr 2008 : 15:22:01
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Originally posted by The Sage
Ah...I understand . Although I have never played Morrowind.
It really is worth it...
and regardless of what Karzak says, so is Oblivion |
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Nimriel
Seeker
Sweden
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Posted - 22 Apr 2008 : 16:06:43
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| This is the oldest scroll I've ever seen resurrected. |
Edited by - Nimriel on 22 Apr 2008 16:11:38 |
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Aravine
Senior Scribe
USA
608 Posts |
Posted - 22 Apr 2008 : 16:28:33
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Originally posted by Nimriel
This is the oldest scroll I've ever seen resurrected.
Wow, I didn't see when it was made. this is an old scroll |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 22 Apr 2008 : 16:31:07
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Originally posted by Aravine
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Originally posted by The Sage
Ah...I understand . Although I have never played Morrowind.
It really is worth it...
and regardless of what Karzak says, so is Oblivion
I've since played both Morrowind and Oblivion. The first had its moments, as did "Elder Scrolls IV." However, my overall enjoyment of Oblivion was marred, somewhat significantly, by the PC I was using at the time... its RAM and graphics card were outdated even then.
Though I've upgraded most of my units since then, I really haven't attempted to run ESIV on any of the new machines. I guess I probably should, if only to experience the game as it was meant to be played. [Blasted Invidia! ] |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 22 Apr 2008 : 16:32:44
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Originally posted by Nimriel
This is the oldest scroll I've ever seen resurrected.
Heh. There actually have been "older scrolls" resurrected. On occasion, you'll find some scribes like to open scrolls that reach as far back as 2002. |
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Lucius
Seeker
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Posted - 01 Oct 2008 : 01:04:30
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Tis a good thing that posters aren't berrated for resurrecting old scrolls, like they are on so many other forums.
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