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Sian
Senior Scribe
Denmark
596 Posts |
 Posted - 14 Apr 2007 : 17:27:37
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| about shadowcasters ... couldn't there be a few attending Selune's church teaching about that shadows at night are because of Selunes Light and therefore not Evil per say |
what happened to the queen? she's much more hysterical than usual
She's a women, it happens once a month |
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
704 Posts |
Posted - 14 Apr 2007 : 19:31:55
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| I most definitely have plans for how shadowcasters can function independently of the shadow weave. The articles won't prove very useful if they are only available to a predominantly evil subset of characters. I do think that most shadowcasters probably are evil, but the same could be said of warlocks (and there are plenty of options for non-evil members of that class). |
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
704 Posts |
Posted - 14 Apr 2007 : 19:33:24
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
I appreciate the fact that you even take the time to look over my ideas, and your ideas thus far have been great, so if they go a different route that some of my (admittedly quickly sketched) ideas, I know yours have proven to be high quality and well thought out. I'm just looking forward to seeing them.
A lot of times, the ideas you guys have are quite organically developed from game experience. My best ideas are ones that come from my games, so if a kernel of an idea springs to mind from something I see online, I will try to develop it. That said, I try not to steal ideas wholesale. |
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
704 Posts |
Posted - 14 Apr 2007 : 19:34:06
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| I can also say that the article I'm working on right now is by far the most detailed one I've done so far. It should be at least as good as the warlock articles, hopefully better. |
http://eytanbernstein.com - the official website of Eytan Bernstein |
Edited by - EytanBernstein on 14 Apr 2007 19:34:22 |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 14 Apr 2007 : 22:30:29
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Originally posted by EytanBernstein
I most definitely have plans for how shadowcasters can function independently of the shadow weave. The articles won't prove very useful if they are only available to a predominantly evil subset of characters. I do think that most shadowcasters probably are evil, but the same could be said of warlocks (and there are plenty of options for non-evil members of that class).
Shadowcasters (???), Shadowdancers (DMG), Shadow Adepts (PGtoF), and Shadowcraft Mages (RoS) of Baravar Cloakshadow also come to mind... 
Kernel, kernel, kernel, kernel... 
I can send you the stats on my PC if you want, as well...  |
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
704 Posts |
Posted - 15 Apr 2007 : 12:46:05
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| Baravar Cloakshadow is a pet project of mine, as you'll see in a couple of upcoming projects. I don't need stats for PCs, but feel free to e-mail me with your thoughts about shadowcasters. |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 15 Apr 2007 : 22:38:30
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Originally posted by EytanBernstein
Baravar Cloakshadow is a pet project of mine, as you'll see in a couple of upcoming projects. I don't need stats for PCs, but feel free to e-mail me with your thoughts about shadowcasters.
Refresh my memory about shadowcasters again? PHB2? |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 15 Apr 2007 : 22:46:58
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| Shadowcasters are from the Tome of Magic. They have a shorter, specific list of "spells" that are referred to as "mysteries," and the caster eventually learns to cast them as spell like effects and supernatural abilities instead of casting them like spells. |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 17 Apr 2007 : 01:23:15
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| Ah! no Tome of Magic for me! (and no Book of Nine Swords either), which would explain my confusion! Thanks Knight! |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 17 Apr 2007 : 14:45:29
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Eytan
One class Ill be interested to see how you handle is the Factotum specficly the Opportunistic Piety ability which kind of implies that a Factotum follows multiple deities (Which would make them one of the Faithless in the realms) |
“I am the King of Rome, and above grammar”
Emperor Sigismund
"Its good to be the King!"
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
704 Posts |
Posted - 17 Apr 2007 : 22:38:31
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Eytan
One class Ill be interested to see how you handle is the Factotum specficly the Opportunistic Piety ability which kind of implies that a Factotum follows multiple deities (Which would make them one of the Faithless in the realms)
You'll just have to wait and see. I'm just finishing that installment. |
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Brenigin
Learned Scribe
New Zealand
117 Posts |
Posted - 18 Apr 2007 : 08:34:02
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Eytan
One class Ill be interested to see how you handle is the Factotum specficly the Opportunistic Piety ability which kind of implies that a Factotum follows multiple deities (Which would make them one of the Faithless in the realms)
By the rules maybe, but surely closer to Ed's original intent? |
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
704 Posts |
Posted - 18 Apr 2007 : 11:18:36
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| I have my own spin on it, but you'll have to wait and see. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 24 Apr 2007 : 05:40:27
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Originally posted by EytanBernstein
I have my own spin on it, but you'll have to wait and see.
Tease! Your worse than the Hooded one!
A question with regard to Favors souls
How would you deal with a favoured soul who takes one of the Initiate of X feats or levels of a PrC that gives the character a Domain such as Divine Discple or the Church Inquistor domain in CD? As I see there are 3 real options
1) A Favoured soul gains no benefit from Prcs or Initiate of X feats when it comes to spells
2) A Favoured soul gets the domain spells and treats it much the same way a cleric does although the favoured soul can only prepare spells from 1 domain as thats the only one they have. In order for the Favoured Soul to gain the spells that an Initiate of X feat they must sacrifice know spells from the corresponding levels
3) The domains or Initiate spells are added to the favoured souls known spells above and beyond those there entitled to known from the class
Im leaning towards 3 personally and its sort of backed up by some text in Divine Discple Prc in PGTF
"Druids, paladins and rangers gain no extra spell slots for domains spells but they can prepare the domain spells in their normal spell slots"
What do you think? |
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Emperor Sigismund
"Its good to be the King!"
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Sian
Senior Scribe
Denmark
596 Posts |
Posted - 24 Apr 2007 : 07:28:30
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as far as i remember its written in CD that classes with no Domains gains one
so ... i mean that it is the second one |
what happened to the queen? she's much more hysterical than usual
She's a women, it happens once a month |
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
704 Posts |
Posted - 24 Apr 2007 : 12:20:12
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Originally posted by Dargoth
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Originally posted by EytanBernstein
I have my own spin on it, but you'll have to wait and see.
Tease! Your worse than the Hooded one!
A question with regard to Favors souls
How would you deal with a favoured soul who takes one of the Initiate of X feats or levels of a PrC that gives the character a Domain such as Divine Discple or the Church Inquistor domain in CD? As I see there are 3 real options
1) A Favoured soul gains no benefit from Prcs or Initiate of X feats when it comes to spells
2) A Favoured soul gets the domain spells and treats it much the same way a cleric does although the favoured soul can only prepare spells from 1 domain as thats the only one they have. In order for the Favoured Soul to gain the spells that an Initiate of X feat they must sacrifice know spells from the corresponding levels
3) The domains or Initiate spells are added to the favoured souls known spells above and beyond those there entitled to known from the class
Im leaning towards 3 personally and its sort of backed up by some text in Divine Discple Prc in PGTF
"Druids, paladins and rangers gain no extra spell slots for domains spells but they can prepare the domain spells in their normal spell slots"
What do you think?
From how I'm reading what you wrote, none of the above. Favored souls work in the same way as sorcers. They can learn spells from those lists whenever they gain access to a new spell known. I don't believe they qualify for initiate feats because they aren't clerics. Page 20 of Complete Divine pretty clearly outlines how this works, though it doesn't have anything about initiate feats because I think they were developed after this book was printed. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 24 Apr 2007 : 15:44:57
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True none of the FR Initiate of X feats have Favoured Soul listed in the Prereqs however the Initiate of X feats arent the sole preserve of clerics for example the Initiate of Malar can be taken by druids and the Initiate of Selune can be taken by Clerics, druids, Hathrans and Rangers.
At the time of PGTF publishing favoured Souls (or any any of the classes outside PHB for that matter) where not a part of the setting so there was no reason for Initiate of X authors to provide rules fo them, including or baring the class from taking the feats.....
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Emperor Sigismund
"Its good to be the King!"
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
704 Posts |
Posted - 24 Apr 2007 : 20:23:14
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| Well, it's too late to include this in the article, but I probably wouldn't have a problem with allowing favored souls to take initiate feats. They would be allowed to learn the spells in the same manner as receiving a domain from a prestige class. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
704 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2007 : 11:26:48
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Speaking of favored souls...
Warmages and Favored Souls
It seems I almost always learn of the new posts from you guys. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Daviot
Senior Scribe
USA
372 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2007 : 10:18:13
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
The next installment is up -- Archivists and Dread Necromancers
Awesome! And here I had already assumed that there were archivists among the faiths of Oghma/Savras/Denier/Azuth. Thanks again, Mr. Bernstein! |
One usually has far more to fear from the soft-spoken wizard with a blade and well-worn boots than from the boisterous one in the ivory tower.
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
704 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2007 : 10:34:25
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Originally posted by Daviot
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
The next installment is up -- Archivists and Dread Necromancers
Awesome! And here I had already assumed that there were archivists among the faiths of Oghma/Savras/Denier/Azuth. Thanks again, Mr. Bernstein!
You're quite welcome. Within the space available, I wanted to make sure that there were sufficient options to place an archivist character in any part of Faerun. Those three religions are quite spread out and varied. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 10 May 2007 : 05:11:18
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Although I always immediately thought about Deneir with this class, I like that you made the first tie into the class with Savras, and hinted at a clash between him and Cyric.
I liked the twisted ritual for the Dread Necromancer. I always thought of them as kind of "specialist" sorcerers, but this take is much creepier, and in keeping with the "feel" of the class in the first place. |
Edited by - KnightErrantJR on 10 May 2007 11:24:53 |
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
704 Posts |
Posted - 10 May 2007 : 10:50:36
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Although I always immediately thought about Deneir with this class, I like that you made the first tie into the class with Savras, and hinted at a class between him and Cyric.
I liked the twisted ritual for the Dread Necromancer. I always thought of them as kind of "specialist" sorcerers, but this take is much creepier, and in keeping with the "feel" of the class in the first place.
Archivists certainly could be in the Deneir clergy, but I saw his faith as being less called than many scholars of Oghmas, Savras, or Thoth. Many archivists are rather ruthless in their acquisition of knowledge, willing to plunder tombs and rob graves.
I wanted to the Dread Necromancer class to be creepy. I didn't want it to be just be another sorcerer variant. They have to give up something to achieve immortality. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 10 May 2007 : 11:27:20
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Oh I agree. Upon rereading the class it makes perfect sense that archivists might be a bit more ruthless and less benevolent. Plus as far as Oghma goes, it makes sense for the whole "find the truth everywhere" ideal.
I also liked that you incorporated Thoth into the mix. It gives Mulhorandi characters a reason to venture out of Mulhorand (if only to encounter the faith rituals of other cultures to add to their knowledge). |
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
704 Posts |
Posted - 10 May 2007 : 20:37:44
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| Mulhorand and Unther are cool nations, but unless you run a campaign set in them, it's important to have reasons for them to leave. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
11829 Posts |
Posted - 11 May 2007 : 16:30:42
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I really liked the Thoth input as well. I venture that with the intelligence requirement for both wizards and archivists that there will be a lot of mystic theurges who use both (especially since both are "information delvers" and require spellbooks). I've also ventured that there is a faction of these archivist/wizards in Thay, encouraged recently because of their ability to produce things like scrolls of paladin spells (something most Thayans can't do). This started with the churches of Deneir and Oghma (which Thayans in particular would be a group who would delve into the mysteries of what is the difference between all these divine casting styles), but an archivist who began delving into necromantic rituals and switched over to Velsharoon introduced the archivist to that church as well.
I like the dread necromancer as well. In my variation of Thay, sorcerors are rare, having been killed off for being believed to be of the bloodline of the God-Kings of Mulhorand. Likewise, bards are rarer in this country than other parts of Faerun. However, Thay does have citizens who are very charismatic, and they learned to interest these folk in the classes of warmage and dread necromancer. Some of these dread necromancers also are favored souls of dark deities (such as Velsharoon, Myrkul, Bhaal, Bane, Loviatar, Shar, etc...) and take up the path of the mystic theurge. Others with the intelligence may take up the path of the ultimate magus and study both wizardry and dread necromancy / warmagery (of course, these folk tend to be necromancers and invokers respectively since they also have the tattoo focus, the spell focus, and the greater spell focus to really enhance their spells). |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 13 May 2007 : 17:01:09
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When I saw this "Class Chronicles" instalment, for the archivist, I also immediately thought of Jergal's faith, whose main goal is "to record the events of the world as it slowly move towards its death."
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
704 Posts |
Posted - 14 May 2007 : 10:12:13
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| Jergal could be a good match as well. The only thing holding his archivists back is that they can't go graverobbing for their knowledge because he is a protector of proper burial. |
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New WotC column on FR site - "Class Chronicles"
