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Bellua Aeneus Lacerta
Senior Scribe
USA
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 Posted - 24 Apr 2003 : 01:14:23
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Just saw Fiends Folio and Vile Darkness(had mature only sticker on it)in my local bookstore. Looks like some nice pics, but at 32 bucks apiece, a little steep for this non-player
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 24 Apr 2003 : 06:12:21
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I didn't think they were that expensive. I didn't know they were 32 bucks. But then again, I have known the owner of the game store for the last 16 years so now my gaming supplies are 30% off. I don't even look at the price tag, just tell him to bundle up the D&D stuff when it comes in and I will buy it. My rent is real expensive. Maybe I should stop that.
But ViLE darkness anyway is worht it. I haven't gotten Fiend Folio yet.
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
United Kingdom
2080 Posts |
Posted - 24 Apr 2003 : 09:22:35
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I wouldnt buy these books unless youre a DM. WotC publications are very expensive but the content is quite nice and they do look pretty good. Im particulary impressed with Fiend Folio, there are a lot of very nasty creatures in there, a majority are quite frightening!! I dont have the heart to throw anything at all out of that book at my players!!!    |
Lord Rad
"What? No, I wasn't reading your module. I was just looking at the pictures"
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Elrond Half Elven
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
322 Posts |
Posted - 24 Apr 2003 : 10:22:47
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Rad and my friend Mournblade can i please ask you a question?
Is the heroes build guidebook a good investment to buy for running a game in which the players have never played D&D before. Some have played 2nd Edition, but the majority havent?
I am also trying to find a Copy of the Starter Set. IS this actually worth even think about buying to introduce the players?
I have seen an electronic copy of the Silver Marches and went out and ordered my own. But i havent bought the FRCS yet, I have an good knowledge of it from my old 2nd edition Revised Box set Camapaign setting . Is the new one worth it?
Hanx
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Once upon a midnight dreary, while i pondered, weak and weary,
Over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore-
While i nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping,
As of some one gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door.
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Artalis
Senior Scribe
USA
444 Posts |
Posted - 24 Apr 2003 : 11:01:15
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Originally posted by Elrond Half Elven
Rad and my friend Mournblade can i please ask you a question?
Is the heroes build guidebook a good investment to buy for running a game in which the players have never played D&D before. Some have played 2nd Edition, but the majority havent?
I am also trying to find a Copy of the Starter Set. IS this actually worth even think about buying to introduce the players?
I have seen an electronic copy of the Silver Marches and went out and ordered my own. But i havent bought the FRCS yet, I have an good knowledge of it from my old 2nd edition Revised Box set Camapaign setting . Is the new one worth it?
Hanx
Elrond
Hero Builder Guidebook Useful? Yes, for new players especially. If your players have RP experience in other games (Shadowrun, MERP,GURPS or whatever) then much of what is in there might (note I say MIGHT) be obvious to them depending on thier level of insight into the game.
Starter Set Never heard of it...
FRCS Worth it? Yes, without any reservation I say get this book if you are running 3rd edition. There is a great deal of new information in this sourcebook. Highly recommended.
Hope that helps and sorry if I stepped on Rad's or Mournblade's toes |
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Elrond Half Elven
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Apr 2003 : 11:17:05
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Thank Thee for the Advice Artalis! It is most useful, i shall immediantly start saving my Silver peices so that one day i may be able to affored the FRCS!
I shall atempt to gain the Hero builders guide book another way (Mischevious smile as his print starts printing page 1 of 72 ).
Thank thee again Artalis
Hanx
Elrond |
Once upon a midnight dreary, while i pondered, weak and weary,
Over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore-
While i nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping,
As of some one gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door.
-The Raven by Edgar Allan Poe |
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
United Kingdom
2080 Posts |
Posted - 24 Apr 2003 : 17:15:19
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Originally posted by Elrond Half Elven
Rad and my friend Mournblade can i please ask you a question?
Is the heroes build guidebook a good investment to buy for running a game in which the players have never played D&D before. Some have played 2nd Edition, but the majority havent?
I am also trying to find a Copy of the Starter Set. IS this actually worth even think about buying to introduce the players?
I have seen an electronic copy of the Silver Marches and went out and ordered my own. But i havent bought the FRCS yet, I have an good knowledge of it from my old 2nd edition Revised Box set Camapaign setting . Is the new one worth it?
Hanx
Elrond
I totally agree with Artalis, the Hero Builders is a nice accessory, especially for new players.
You shouldnt even be asking the question about the FRCS.... its a MUST!!! 
As for the Starter Set, are you refering to the D&D box with something like "Let the adventures begin" or whatever on the cover? I dont have this box as I assumed it would be too basic and judging by some of the old 2nd edition AD&D boxes of that type I thought it best to steer clear. |
Lord Rad
"What? No, I wasn't reading your module. I was just looking at the pictures"
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Elrond Half Elven
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Apr 2003 : 18:08:59
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Rad you are correct with your assumption about the Starter set. I will take care to stay well away! Hopefully if everything goes well i will be purchasing a Copy of Hero builders from ebay. As for the FRCS ill just need to save up .
Thanks for the Advice everyone.
Hanx
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Once upon a midnight dreary, while i pondered, weak and weary,
Over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore-
While i nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping,
As of some one gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door.
-The Raven by Edgar Allan Poe |
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
1287 Posts |
Posted - 24 Apr 2003 : 18:12:58
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I bought the starter set because I wanted a very quick and basic overview of 3e back in 2000 when it first was released. It has nice counters, which fit in the squares well, and some good grid maps. But if you have the rulebooks PH, DMG, and MM then the starter set is useless, except for the counters and maps. But Sword and Sorcery released a GOOD counter set, so get that instead.
The herobuilders guidebook is one of the few D&D accessories I DON'T have. I have pretty experienced players, so the herobuilder is useless then. But if you have new players, from what I have seen it is a good overview. |
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branmakmuffin
Senior Scribe
USA
428 Posts |
Posted - 24 Apr 2003 : 19:09:39
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Edain Shadowstar
Senior Scribe
USA
455 Posts |
Posted - 24 Apr 2003 : 21:22:25
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Vile Darkness is an awesome book, lots of cool stuff (I've been a DM since I offically retired Edain Shadowstar). I would consider it an great tool for spicing up the campaign with some new stuff.
Do not have the Fiend Folio yet...have not gotten around to grabbing it. But, I have heard it's good. As for the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting...
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Originally posted by Elrond Half Elven
But i havent bought the FRCS yet
Why Not?
Well, as to the original point, The Book of Vile Darkness is worth it, so many times over. |
Edain Shadowstar
Archwizard of Rel Astra and Waterdeep
"Mmm…pie…"
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2003 : 01:29:29
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Originally posted by Edain Shadowstar
Why Not?
Perhaps because it's a wopping 40gp?
Bookwyrm regards his purse ruefully.
You know, for a dragon, I can't seem to get the hang of hoarding my gold. It seems I keep finding things to buy . . . . |
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Edain Shadowstar
Senior Scribe
USA
455 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2003 : 01:46:43
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Forty gold pieces, you say?
<Picks up his Tome of the Forgotten Realms>
Hmmm...you know, I still don't see it...but hey, your arguement wins wyrm.
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Edain Shadowstar
Archwizard of Rel Astra and Waterdeep
"Mmm…pie…"
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2003 : 01:55:11
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A low, rumbling growl seems to come from Bookwyrm's throat.
Show off.  |
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Edain Shadowstar
Senior Scribe
USA
455 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2003 : 02:21:21
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Huh?
Huh? |
Edain Shadowstar
Archwizard of Rel Astra and Waterdeep
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2003 : 03:42:35
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| You got yours really cheap, right? |
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Edain Shadowstar
Senior Scribe
USA
455 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2003 : 04:21:19
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| Free...for reasons that I would rather not disclose. |
Edain Shadowstar
Archwizard of Rel Astra and Waterdeep
"Mmm…pie…"
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2003 : 04:38:40
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I . . . see. Indeed.
*Psst! Alaundo! I think we've got a book-thief here!*
(Just kidding!) |
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Edain Shadowstar
Senior Scribe
USA
455 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2003 : 04:42:28
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| Whoah, whoah, whoah...let's not get carried away. my cousin works for the publisher, he throws me free books...geeze, no need to call out the watch. |
Edain Shadowstar
Archwizard of Rel Astra and Waterdeep
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
1287 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2003 : 07:41:48
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I don't think the Forgotten Realms Book costs 40 gp's
If that were so, that would make a Gold Piece roughly equivalent to a dollar. Lets compare the economy with BEER. According to the Players handbook a MUG of ale costs 4cp. Well as much as I wish it were true, a beer does not cost 4 cents. Ofcourse in America we have beer like BUDWEISER WORTH 4 CENTS, but it costs more like $2 a bottle. And we all know Budweiser, coors, and other types of spring water are not worth $2 a bottle.
Now lets compare it too food. According to the players handbook a GOOD meal costs 5sp. I realize that there are many folks from ENgland and Scotland here, that do not understand the concept of a GOOD meal... OH but wait you guys have Curry, so maybe you do. BUt generally A GOOD type meal is hard to find in England. (we in America have terrible tasting beer, but at least we have good food.) But England has incredible tasting beer, and well they eat BLACK PUDDING. When I saw that in a chippie shop, I was very nervous that it was going to come after me. I was looking for the OCHRE JELLY, but the lady told me they only had Marmalade. I knew MArmalade was harmless because Padington Bear used to eat it on sandwiches. I saw various Gelatanous cubes in the shop but when I finally figured out what head cheese WAS I decided gelatanous cubes were not for me. I finally wemt elsewhere and settled on the Green Slime, that some people call Saag Panir. But in England you eat anything that MIGHT have taste... That is not ALSO called HEAD CHEESE. There is just nothing good about that name. ANd when you find out HOW it is made, well you would think it is a food you would find in RAVENLOFT or something.
Oh yeah well assuming that a good meal costs 50sp, that would mean that a good meal in america would cost 50 cents. I have yet to get a good meal for 50 cents.
SO I think bookwyrm might have been a little off on the cost of the Forgotten Realms Book. More than likely it would cost approximately 2 g.p.'s. But that is expensive for that is easily 10 pints of Guiness.
Though I have to say I have been DYING for Pickled onions lately.
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2003 : 09:22:19
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*GURK*
Mournblade stop throwing water on my fun I wasn't trying to be exact and you know it I was just using an in-character format that required as little conversion as possible!
*pant*pant*pant* 
Look, I KNOW that the systems didn't match up. They weren't meant to. NO ONE was mistaking what I meant. But if you want to be so picky about it, we can increase it by a factor of 100. Then the FRCS would cost 4 sp. Would that satisfy you?
At the risk of nullifying my rightous anger, that was a very funny treatment of the food. Just duck when an Englishman comes your way. |
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kahonen
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
358 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2003 : 12:29:30
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"New Manuels"
This thread sounds like something from Fawlty Towers |
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
1287 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2003 : 18:32:05
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INdeed it does!!!
When Manual of the Planes first came out, way back in 1st edition, I took a trip out to South Dakota. I was wandering around looking for Manuel of the Plains, because I heard he had some good information. BOY was I surprised when I found out it was a BOOK!!!
When it came out in 3rd edition I knew better, and so just took a trip to the bookstore.
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Edain Shadowstar
Senior Scribe
USA
455 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2003 : 23:23:13
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Manuel of the Planes?
Humor has hit an...interesting lo--er...place. Now, why does it feel like I've heard a bit like that before... |
Edain Shadowstar
Archwizard of Rel Astra and Waterdeep
"Mmm…pie…"
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Lazerrus
Acolyte
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Posted - 26 Apr 2003 : 23:33:46
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| AHHHHHHH YES THE BOOK OF VILE DARKNESS. THIS BOOK HAS MY HEART. ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I MUST SAY ABOUT THIS BOOK IS THAT THEY FINALLY GOT ORCUS RIGHT! THINK I'M KIDDING JUST READ IT. NO MORE PANZY DEMONS LIKE IN 1ST EDITION. NOW THEY ARE FINALLT SCARY AND REAL MENACING. AS FOR THE SPELLS IN THIS BOOK ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS IF YOU LIKE TO PLAY EVIL AS A DM THIS BOOK IS LIKE CAVIAR. THE FIEND FOLIO IS COOL BUT I WAS DISSAPOINTED TO OPEN AND FIND NO GITHYANKI! |
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Edain Shadowstar
Senior Scribe
USA
455 Posts |
Posted - 27 Apr 2003 : 00:01:47
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Originally posted by Lazerrus:
Oone of the first things I must say about this book is that they finally got Orcus right! Think I'm kidding just read it. No more panzy demons list in 1st edition. Now they are finally scary adn real menacing.
Yes, if anything, the demons in The Book of Vile Darkness are definately described with the appropriate levels of evil, depraity, and sheer freakiness. So are the devils. Definately the best source for information about all you evil overlords in the Abyss and the Nine Hells.
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Originally posted by Lazerrus:
...if you like to play evil as a DM this book is like caviar...
Firstly, interesting simile. Secondly, yes, if there is a better book for evil campaigns out there, I haven't heard of it. As for The Fiend Folio I haven't gotten it int he mail yet, but no githyanki?!?! Not...possible...must be...a...mistake! That is seriously wrong. Oh, and Lazerrus, please turn caps off. I changed the text in my quotes of you, but please make sure you do that next time. Thanks. |
Edain Shadowstar
Archwizard of Rel Astra and Waterdeep
"Mmm…pie…"
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 27 Apr 2003 : 06:18:38
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Originally posted by Lazerrus
AHHHHHHH YES THE BOOK OF VILE DARKNESS. THIS BOOK HAS MY HEART. ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I MUST SAY ABOUT THIS BOOK IS THAT THEY FINALLY GOT ORCUS RIGHT! THINK I'M KIDDING JUST READ IT. NO MORE PANZY DEMONS LIKE IN 1ST EDITION. NOW THEY ARE FINALLT SCARY AND REAL MENACING. AS FOR THE SPELLS IN THIS BOOK ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS IF YOU LIKE TO PLAY EVIL AS A DM THIS BOOK IS LIKE CAVIAR. THE FIEND FOLIO IS COOL BUT I WAS DISSAPOINTED TO OPEN AND FIND NO GITHYANKI!
People where have you BEEN! The Githyanki have been out for AT LEAST 9 months. If you would have travelled to the plains and asked Manuel, you would have known about it.
Githyanki and Githzerei were published in the Manual of the Planes for 3rd edition.
WAKE UP!!! WAKE UP!!!!
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branmakmuffin
Senior Scribe
USA
428 Posts |
Posted - 27 Apr 2003 : 06:59:30
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mournblade94:
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Originally posted by Lazerrus
THE FIEND FOLIO IS COOL BUT I WAS DISSAPOINTED TO OPEN AND FIND NO GITHYANKI!
People where have you BEEN! The Githyanki have been out for AT LEAST 9 months. If you would have travelled to the plains and asked Manuel, you would have known about it.
Githyanki and Githzerei were published in the Manual of the Planes for 3rd edition.
WAKE UP!!! WAKE UP!!!!
He was probably expecting to find the descendants of Gith in the 3e FF becasue they were in the 1e FF. |
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Lazerrus
Acolyte
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Posted - 27 Apr 2003 : 15:56:26
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I don't have manual of the plains mournblade. But if you would like to buy me a copy I would appreciate it. And ohh yeah. I am quite awake.quote:
Originally posted by mournblade94
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Originally posted by Lazerrus
AHHHHHHH YES THE BOOK OF VILE DARKNESS. THIS BOOK HAS MY HEART. ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I MUST SAY ABOUT THIS BOOK IS THAT THEY FINALLY GOT ORCUS RIGHT! THINK I'M KIDDING JUST READ IT. NO MORE PANZY DEMONS LIKE IN 1ST EDITION. NOW THEY ARE FINALLT SCARY AND REAL MENACING. AS FOR THE SPELLS IN THIS BOOK ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS IF YOU LIKE TO PLAY EVIL AS A DM THIS BOOK IS LIKE CAVIAR. THE FIEND FOLIO IS COOL BUT I WAS DISSAPOINTED TO OPEN AND FIND NO GITHYANKI!
People where have you BEEN! The Githyanki have been out for AT LEAST 9 months. If you would have travelled to the plains and asked Manuel, you would have known about it.
Githyanki and Githzerei were published in the Manual of the Planes for 3rd edition.
WAKE UP!!! WAKE UP!!!!
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Lazerrus
Acolyte
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Posted - 27 Apr 2003 : 15:58:30
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Thanx Bran, yep that is exactly why I was looking there. Sigh just like WOTC to keep changing things quote:
Originally posted by branmakmuffin
mournblade94:
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Originally posted by Lazerrus
THE FIEND FOLIO IS COOL BUT I WAS DISSAPOINTED TO OPEN AND FIND NO GITHYANKI!
People where have you BEEN! The Githyanki have been out for AT LEAST 9 months. If you would have travelled to the plains and asked Manuel, you would have known about it.
Githyanki and Githzerei were published in the Manual of the Planes for 3rd edition.
WAKE UP!!! WAKE UP!!!!
He was probably expecting to find the descendants of Gith in the 3e FF becasue they were in the 1e FF.
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Edain Shadowstar
Senior Scribe
USA
455 Posts |
Posted - 27 Apr 2003 : 17:38:43
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They were with Manuel? Now how did I miss that...
<Reaches for his copy>
Hmmm...well, I'll be damned. I am an idiot. |
Edain Shadowstar
Archwizard of Rel Astra and Waterdeep
"Mmm…pie…"
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