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MaxKaladin
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Posted - 23 Jan 2007 :  21:21:08  Show Profile  Visit MaxKaladin's Homepage Send MaxKaladin a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
1. I came across a FR timeline at Wikipedia and found a curious entry for 1356 noting that "Sembia bans the elven races from Sembian soil." Is there any canon cite for this or is it just some odd thing someone slipped in there? If it's 'legit', is it still in effect?

2. Is there any source stating if slavery is legal in Sembia? I'm sure there are Sembian merchants who would deal in the slave trade even if it's illegal so long as there is enough money in it (and it seems like there would be given the number of slave-holding states around the Sea of Fallen Stars. What I'm curious about is if slavery is openly legal or not. It seems to me that a legal slave trade would be a significant source of friction with Sembia's neighbors both in Cormyr and the freedom-loving Dales.

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Posted - 23 Jan 2007 :  23:49:02  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
If slavery was legal and in the open in Sembia, no doubt that fact would have been mentioned in the Sembia series (six books in which to convey such information). As such, I've never heard that slavery is legal there.

As for the racism against elves bit--yes, there is a strong bias against elves in Sembia, for the most part, but I can't confirm the legal bits about that or the date.


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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 24 Jan 2007 :  00:23:56  Show Profile  Visit KnightErrantJR's Homepage Send KnightErrantJR a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Also, I beleive the blanket statement that slavery is illegal in most of the Heartlands except for the Moonsea has been made before, which would seem to indicate that Sembia does not allow slavery.
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Posted - 24 Jan 2007 :  00:27:17  Show Profile  Visit Faraer's Homepage Send Faraer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The Wikipedia reference is cut and pasted from a timeline on o-love.net. You're right to be sceptical, and both ought to give references, but the source is DM's Sourcebook of the Realms (Old Grey Box) p. 38. It's not Sembia that does it but Raithspur, Captain of the Guard of Ordulin, who doesn't have the authority to do so, and the ban (such as it is) is presumably rescinded not long after.

That two years' current clack in the DM's Sourcebook is a must read for anyone wanting to get the hang of the month-to-month texture of Faerūn.
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Knight's reference comes from pgs. 86-87 of the FRCS, for those scribes interested in learning more about slavery in the Realms.

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quote:
Originally posted by MaxKaladin

I'm sure there are Sembian merchants who would deal in the slave trade even if it's illegal so long as there is enough money in it (and it seems like there would be given the number of slave-holding states around the Sea of Fallen Stars.
Indeed.

While not exclusively "dealing in the slave trade", a retired merchant judge, a bergun, of Daerlun for example can sentence convicted thieves to imprisonment in solitary deep cells where they are never heard from again. That is the official stance. Unofficially, the criminals are often sold into slavery. Drugged, these criminals are set into closed carts whereupon they are then taken to Urmlaspyr and placed aboard ships. From there, they are then taken across the Inner Sea, where they are likely to be sold in slave-trading locals both in the south and to the east.

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MaxKaladin
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Posted - 24 Jan 2007 :  16:26:34  Show Profile  Visit MaxKaladin's Homepage Send MaxKaladin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ok, so slavery is basically illegal in Sembia but some exists "underground".

That'll work with what I was thinking about doing. I'm considering a plotline where people are getting captured by various "evil" types in the southern dales and/or Cormyr and then being sold as slaves through Sembia. Yes, it's an old cliche of a plot, but it works and sometimes the old standards are best.
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I think that the rule of thumb is that: If it makes money, it happens in Sembia.

Of course appearances must be kept up so they might call it something different, or have modified it so that it doesn't resemble slavery so much. Of course there's also that notorious "blind eye" that one must watch for.

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When they touch on this subject in Power of Faerūn, they basically say that slavery is not legal in Sembia - however, the merchant nobility defines the law on their own estates in accordance to how they feel like, and no-one really bothers about what someone gets up to outside Sembia.

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