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jordanz
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 Posted - 20 Jan 2007 : 00:16:46
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the adventures of the Seven , i.e "Bloodstone pass' in a multipart novel Series, who would it be and why? I'm dying to see this done and don't care who actually authors it alll long as it's done "right".
I can't recall if a group of solidly "Epic" level characters (aside from the chosen) have even been chronicled before in the forgotten realms . Comments?
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Jan 2007 : 00:21:14
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I bet you that most people are going to tell you that they'd want RAS to do it since he just used them in his recent novel and he wrote the 2e Bloodstone sourcebook.
I, however, am not going to give an answer. :) |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Jan 2007 : 00:55:32
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| I'm, uh, not dying to see the "Bloodstone Heroes" chronicled in a multipart novel series. But I suppose RAS would be the one to do it, since those characters are essentially his. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Edited by - Rinonalyrna Fathomlin on 20 Jan 2007 00:55:42 |
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Archwizard
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Posted - 20 Jan 2007 : 03:49:22
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| Oddly, this actually might stand a chance of happening because of the above reasons. A snowball's chance in hell, but remember two of the layers are frozen. |
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 20 Jan 2007 : 04:12:53
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and the fact that he authored the supplement for the blood stone lands in the first place. give em a break my friends  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 20 Jan 2007 : 05:29:41
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Originally posted by Kuje
I bet you that most people are going to tell you that they'd want RAS to do it since he just used them in his recent novel and he wrote the 2e Bloodstone sourcebook.
I, however, am not going to give an answer. :)
What Kuje said! 
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 20 Jan 2007 : 05:55:39
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but by posting to this thread with that particular thought, you are indeed giving an opinion, by not offering an opinion anyways, just my over analytical observation. fun stuff, almost like my sig I thought I was wrong, but I was wrong |
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mavericace
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Posted - 20 Jan 2007 : 06:48:06
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| You do bring up a good point about there being very few novels about epic level characters. I understand that some folks wouldnt want to read about them because they will be to powerfull but I think it could make a good read. |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Jan 2007 : 07:25:46
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I must admit that my interest in both the area and the heroes are limited, but it would of course depend on the novels themselves. If they were well written and did not contain excessive fight scenes I would probably give them a shot.
I would prefer to see Douglas Niles do them though, he did work on the old modules and I prefer him over Salvatore as an author (personal opinion no offence to Salvatore). I don't see these novels being written though. |
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Charles Phipps
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 20 Jan 2007 : 13:18:59
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Originally posted by Kuje
I bet you that most people are going to tell you that they'd want RAS to do it since he just used them in his recent novel and he wrote the 2e Bloodstone sourcebook.
Wasn't the Adventure series written before the sourcebook? How than can the characters be RAS's? Enlighten me, anyone! |
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Jan 2007 : 13:34:29
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Originally posted by jordanz
I can't recall if a group of solidly "Epic" level characters (aside from the chosen) have even been chronicled before in the forgotten realms .
They are vanishingly rare, because by the time adventuring bands reach super-high level it's almost always the case that half of them are dead or crippled and the other half go their separate ways, either retiring or setting up independent strongholds. (So the D&D '20th level in a 6-month campaign' model is a very bad fit.)
But if such a band was to be highlighted, it should be one indigenous to and representative of the Realms, and its sometimes misunderstood arena of high-level interactions, not one introduced by a ludicrous exercise in AD&D overkill that was rightly ridiculed at the time (in White Dwarf, for instance). |
Edited by - Faraer on 20 Jan 2007 13:35:28 |
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jordanz
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 20 Jan 2007 : 14:45:52
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Faraer,
Didn't know the a Bloodstone adventures were ridiculed. Why? Is it because the Seven's feats were deamed too unrealistic or farefetched despite their high levels. Or were the Modules simply too much "hack & slash" and not enough storylinecharacter development?
I for one dont mind hack and slash if it fits with the storyline. I mean are you the least bit curious how any purely mortal party could take on Orcus? If you are going to invade the abyss and kill a demon prince I would think that would require a certain level on combat and a lot more guile. That being said I like the idea of Epic level characters outside of the old Chosen of Mystra mold.
I mean we constantly talk about these uber powerful planar and evil mages and such but where is the counter to opose these beings? Elmister and the Chosen can't be every where and the Dritzz's of the realm are not quite powerful enough. There have got to be OTHERS. Well I'd like to see some of them in action... |
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Jan 2007 : 16:46:27
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Not ridiculed by everyone. But they're like a decadent thought experiment in 'turning up to 11'. 'How about if we have 100th-level PCs? Let's put 666 demons in this room.'
There's the thing: in the Realms, taking on Orcus is not a matter of a bunch of really hard guys deciding 'Hey, let's take on Orcus today.' It's a matter of years preparing, manoeuvring, obtaining secrets and special weapons, manipulating your enemies' allies to be somewhere else, earning and calling in favours.
And a lower-level adventuring band, say in the teens, is -- on a good, heroic day -- able to take on the very-high-level villains you cite.
As a reader, you might enjoy a novelization of the H series partly through personal fondness. But what author will love those characters and plots as much as his or her own? I don't think there's much of an up side. Especially when there are so many real Realms characters who haven't had their due: Mirt and Durnan, the Company of Crazed Venturers, Mane's Band, the Nine, Sharanralee, the Moonlight Men... |
Edited by - Faraer on 20 Jan 2007 17:22:28 |
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jordanz
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 20 Jan 2007 : 18:19:42
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Faraer,
Good points. Although a do see several high level character actually reaching the "epic" level.
Actually didn't know the 7 where RA's character's. I guess I could go over to his board and ask him if he'd do it. I agree, that the characters you mentioned all deserve there just do, actually I know next to nothing about the Company of Crazed Venturers, Mane's Band, the Nine, Sharanralee, the Moonlight Men... |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Jan 2007 : 18:21:17
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Originally posted by Ergdusch
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Originally posted by Kuje
I bet you that most people are going to tell you that they'd want RAS to do it since he just used them in his recent novel and he wrote the 2e Bloodstone sourcebook.
Wasn't the Adventure series written before the sourcebook? How than can the characters be RAS's? Enlighten me, anyone!
The modules were written before that sourcebook but most people are going to assume that RAS can write them because of what I said above. Shrug. |
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jordanz
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 20 Jan 2007 : 18:21:24
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Faraer,
Good points. Although a do see several high level characters eventually reaching the "epic" level.
Actually I didn't know the 7 where RA's character's. I guess I could go over to his board and ask him if he'd do it. I agree, that the other characters you mentioned all deserve their just do, actually I know next to nothing about the Company of Crazed Venturers, Mane's Band, or the Moonlight Men... |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 20 Jan 2007 : 19:16:57
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| I don't see such a tale being written for one simple reason: WotC (and TSR before them) has a habit of keeping novels set in the here and now. Old tales -- even something as recent as Bane's return -- generally are ignored in favor of moving the timeline forward. |
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mavericace
Seeker
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Posted - 21 Jan 2007 : 05:21:38
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| IMO it would be interesting to see a current story about Epic Level Charcters. I could care less who the book was about be it the Company of Crazed Venturers, Mane's Band, the Moonlight Men or others as long as it is well done. I think it could be a good book or set of books. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 Jan 2007 : 22:31:27
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| I have to admit I don't know of all the adventuring bands Faraer mentioned, but I'm already more interested in them than I am in the Bloodstone Heroes--a bunch of walking, talking stereotypes. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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quajack
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Posted - 22 Jan 2007 : 18:02:00
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| As just an average, FR novel reading joe (never gamed) could someone explain this thread to me in book terms. I can't quite follow it. |
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Jan 2007 : 18:26:20
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I'll explain it in Realms terms.
An adventuring company led by Gareth* Dragonsbane defeated Orcus and broke the Vaasan Witch-King Zhengyi's hold on Damara -- see FRCS p. 108. This story, and Vaasa and Damara themselves, were introduced in the H-series AD&D modules published in the 1980s, which halfway through were incorporated into the not-yet-published Forgotten Realms. Bob Salvatore wrote up the region in FR9 Bloodstone Lands, and has lately returned to it in his Sellswords trilogy of novels. jordanz asked who would be the best author to novelize the story.
* One more reason not to give more attention to a group created by people who didn't even know about Realms naming conventions.
A 15th-level adventuring company can accomplish exponentially more than its members individually -- this is a major theme of the setting. A 25th-level one could do almost anything and would leave a mark in known Realmslore -- so as well as such very high levels being (I think) pointless there's a problem with introducing a new one, unless it's been planewalking for decades and works very much behind the scenes, or is emerging in the modern Realms. I think the latter in particular would be a terrible idea because the slot of a very-high-level adventuring band is rightly and, I think, deliberately left for PCs. |
Edited by - Faraer on 22 Jan 2007 18:31:25 |
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quajack
Seeker
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Posted - 22 Jan 2007 : 18:43:36
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| Thanks for keeping me in the loop. |
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Gellion
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 23 Jan 2007 : 01:08:01
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Originally posted by Faraer* One more reason not to give more attention to a group created by people who didn't even know about Realms naming conventions.
That is a little extreme isn' it? |
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MerrikCale
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Posted - 23 Jan 2007 : 01:35:17
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| If the swords series is popular enough, you may see some novels depicting old adventures of other established groups. I'm not sure if the Bloodstone group would be the one to do but..... |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Jan 2007 : 02:03:07
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Originally posted by Gellion
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Originally posted by Faraer* One more reason not to give more attention to a group created by people who didn't even know about Realms naming conventions.
That is a little exterme isn' it?
No.
OK, that was mean. But anyway I don't think an adventuring party needs to be of epic levels in order to be interesting--I love the Knights of Myth Drannor and they aren't at such high levels. Sure, one could argue that the adventures of lower-leveled Bloodstone Heroes would be interesting...but jordanz did specifically mention the chronicling of "epic level characters". |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Jan 2007 : 07:49:56
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Originally posted by Gellion
That is a little exterme isn' it?
Why do you think so? |
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Gellion
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 23 Jan 2007 : 15:25:47
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quote:
Originally posted by Faraer
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Originally posted by Gellion
That is a little exterme isn' it?
Why do you think so?
It just seems silly to get upset over someones name just because it does not follow the "rules" of naming in the Realms.
The Realms is just a hobby for me,one that I do not take too seriously, so small things like that do not bother me. |
"Paladine, you see the evil that surrounds me! You have been witness to the calamities that have been the scourge of Krynn... You must see now that this doctrine of balance will not work! I can sweep evil from this land. Destroy the ogre races. Bring the wayward humans into line! Find new homelands far away for the dwarves and the kender and the gnomes, those races not of your creation... I demand that you give me, too, the power to drive away the shadows of evil that darken the land!"- THE REIGN OF ISTAR, Tales IV |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Jan 2007 : 16:14:55
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| Well, I agree with Faraer in this, naming is part of the structure that gives a fictive world an illusion of reality. It is a bit annoying when something all of a sudden breaks the illusion, especially when it is as obvious as the names. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Jan 2007 : 17:02:47
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Originally posted by Jorkens
Well, I agree with Faraer in this, naming is part of the structure that gives a fictive world an illusion of reality. It is a bit annoying when something all of a sudden breaks the illusion, especially when it is as obvious as the names.
As do I. Many times some of the names of the NPCs have made me cringe. |
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Faraer
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Posted - 23 Jan 2007 : 17:59:49
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| Names like Gareth and Kane are continuity errors, as names like Faraer or Jhandess would be in a historical novel set in France. An extreme position would be to write off the material because of the mistake. It's only sensible to acknowledge it and try not to perpetuate it. If it doesn't jar you, fine; but it's as much an error as putting Waterdeep on the Inner Sea. |
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