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Dargoth
Great Reader
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 Posted - 16 Jan 2007 : 04:48:37
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I think we can now safely say that Wizards Webstaff is blatently discriminating against the Realms in favour of Eberron
So far for 2007 there have been SEVEN articles published for Eberron on the WOTC site
How many FR articles have been published this year? ONE and that was published back on the third.
We know that there no delay from Eds in because hes told us on several occassions that Wizards have at least 12 months worth of realms articles already and yet its mysteroiusly not getting to the site.. 
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Archwizard
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 16 Jan 2007 : 04:54:46
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| I wouldn't get too worried or upset about this. It could just be an oddity of the scheduling, like WotC would have us believe is the reason behind the upcoming torrent of adventures the Realms are getting. I still see plenty of support for the Realms on the site, including more entries in the recent plot hook articles. I only hope they don't end the flow of Border Kingdom articles before all of them are covered. |
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
Germany
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Posted - 16 Jan 2007 : 09:30:13
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Thanks for pointing that out, Dragoth! I checked on the site frequently but did not find any realms related news. About Eberron - I don't care actually!
Anyhow, I could not state my frustration about this without leaving the CoC behind, most likely moving way off PG-13 altogether.
I hope that makes my opinion about this clear! 
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Victor_ograygor
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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Ateth Istarlin
Seeker
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Jan 2007 : 10:42:17
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I have to say that FR does seem to get short-changed by WotC in regards to published articles.
On a related note - does anyone else think it would be a great idea if Pazio published something like the Dragon Annuals but for all the answers from Ed & co? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 16 Jan 2007 : 10:55:14
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And just a mod reminder... let's not turn this into an EB-bashing scroll.
Regardless of your own feelings about the EBERRON setting, this is hardly the appropriate place to vent such frustrations. Remember, above all else, Candlekeep *is* for FORGOTTEN REALMS discussion.
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
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Posted - 16 Jan 2007 : 11:05:12
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I have enough Realms stuff unread at home to last me a few years, so I'm not overly worried, plus until they decide to pack all the info into PDF so I can read'em all at once I can wait.
Or maybe they are gearing up to make FR a pay to read issue...much like Hyperspace.
As for Eberron...I really don't care how much they pour out for that world, with so many "old" worlds having been abandoned... |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
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Posted - 16 Jan 2007 : 11:30:05
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| Well, we are only a couple of weeks into the new year, so that could easily level out over time. As Mace, I am lagging a bit behind when it comes to reading the lore in the Web-articles, so I can wait a little bit longer. |
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Aureus
Learned Scribe
Luxembourg
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Posted - 16 Jan 2007 : 12:20:02
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| Does anyone mind explaining me the diffrences of FR and Eberron? (I'm a real noob sometimes) |
That is not the weirdest thing that happened to me |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
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Posted - 16 Jan 2007 : 12:26:06
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Originally posted by Aureus
Does anyone mind explaining me the diffrences of FR and Eberron? (I'm a real noob sometimes)
Two different campaign worlds, one high fantasy, the other something... well else... never bothered much with it, from what I've read it is a mixture of Maltese Falcon meets dark fantasy... |
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Victor_ograygor
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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Posted - 16 Jan 2007 : 12:50:05
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The noteworthy differences from other official D&D campaign settings is
- The most obvious differences between Eberron and generic D&D is the level of magic.
High-level magic, including resurrection spells, is less common than in most other settings.
However, low-level magic is much more pervasive, primarily provided by the Dragonmarked Houses.
Many cities have magical lanterns throughout the streets.
A continent-wide, magical "lightning rail" provides high speed transportation.
- Religion is similarly less clear-cut. The pantheon of Eberron does not make itself overtly known. The existence of divine magic is not evidence of the gods, as clerics who worship no deities but instead follow a path or belief system also receive spells. A cleric can even actively work against their own church and continue to receive spells. As a result, religion is largely a matter of faith. Unlike in many other 3rd edition D&D settings, a cleric does not have to be within one step of his deity's or religion's alignment, and is not restricted from casting certain spells because of alignment.
- The setting adds a new base character class, the artificer. Artificers are spellcasters focusing on magical item creation. Artificer infusions (their equivalent to spells) focus on temporarily imbuing objects with the desired effects. For example, instead of casting bull's strength on a character, an artificer would cast it upon a belt to create a short term magical Belt of Bull's Strength. Artificers have access to a pool of "craft points" which act as extra experience points (only) for use in creating magical items without sacrificing level attainment. This pool is refilled when the artificer gains levels, or by draining power from an existing magical item (destroying the item in the process).
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 16 Jan 2007 : 22:41:12
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I wouldn't get angry over this. It could be (and more likely is) a coincidence rather than deliberately discriminating against the Realms.
Sure it might NOT be a coincidence, but who has proof of that? |
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Tyr
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 16 Jan 2007 : 22:48:23
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I don't really see what all the fuss is about, its been 16 days out of 365 so far.
Besides if you look at the releases, books and stuff there's more listed for FR than anything else. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 16 Jan 2007 : 23:07:41
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Originally posted by Tyr
I don't really see what all the fuss is about, its been 16 days out of 365 so far.
Yeah, but they've not been giving us the same amount of lore that they were giving us. That's the issue: lore for Eberron hasn't slowed down, but we've not had a Waterdeep News in two weeks, and no Border Kingdoms for a month. We were getting WN articles every week, and BK articles almost every week.
While I'm willing to assume it's just been because someone was on vacation, it's easy to see how it could be perceived as a deliberate decision to give us less lore. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 16 Jan 2007 : 23:12:47
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You know whats interesting though about 8 months ago a guy on the Wizards boards declared that WOTC where going to wind up the FR and he claimed that several prominient NPCs would be bumped off and that it would be tied to a series of novels and a trilogy of novels
Now most people dismissed him as a quack (myself included) however this thread appeared before wizards announced there trilogy of FR modules (Cormyr, Shadowdale and unknown) and Paul Kemps trilogy of novels.........
In hindsight it makes me wonder if the poster was onto something......
I cant give you a link to the thread as it was 8 months to a year ago and the forums search engine doesnt work over at wizards) |
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Kuje
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Posted - 16 Jan 2007 : 23:15:41
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Originally posted by Dargoth
You know whats interesting though about 8 months ago a guy on the Wizards boards declared that WOTC where going to wind up the FR and he claimed that several prominient NPCs would be bumped off and that it would be tied to a series of novels and a trilogy of novels
Now most people dismissed him as a quack (myself included) however this thread appeared before wizards announced there trilogy of FR modules (Cormyr, Shadowdale and unknown) and Paul Kemps trilogy of novels.........
In hindsight it makes me wonder if the poster was onto something......
I cant give you a link to the thread as it was 8 months to a year ago and the forums search engine doesnt work over at wizards)
Um, he was a quack since I posted that thread to Ed and Ed replied that he has FR material being written for 2007 and beyond. And it was a December 18th, 2005 reply, btw. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 16 Jan 2007 : 23:17:11
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Tyr
I don't really see what all the fuss is about, its been 16 days out of 365 so far.
Yeah, but they've not been giving us the same amount of lore that they were giving us. That's the issue: lore for Eberron hasn't slowed down, but we've not had a Waterdeep News in two weeks, and no Border Kingdoms for a month. We were getting WN articles every week, and BK articles almost every week.
While I'm willing to assume it's just been because someone was on vacation, it's easy to see how it could be perceived as a deliberate decision to give us less lore.
Another thing to remember as well, is that very few of the EB staff went on extended holidays over the Christmas/New Year break -- and given the lack of updated FR lore on the WotC site, one can assume that fewer EB staff went on holidays than did FR online staff. The absence of "usual" updates could likely be a reflection of that.
If it hasn't changed by the end of this month, I would think that contacting WotC's online department and querying this would be something to consider.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 16 Jan 2007 : 23:19:23
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Originally posted by Kuje
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Originally posted by Dargoth
You know whats interesting though about 8 months ago a guy on the Wizards boards declared that WOTC where going to wind up the FR and he claimed that several prominient NPCs would be bumped off and that it would be tied to a series of novels and a trilogy of novels
Now most people dismissed him as a quack (myself included) however this thread appeared before wizards announced there trilogy of FR modules (Cormyr, Shadowdale and unknown) and Paul Kemps trilogy of novels.........
In hindsight it makes me wonder if the poster was onto something......
I cant give you a link to the thread as it was 8 months to a year ago and the forums search engine doesnt work over at wizards)
Um, he was a quack since I posted that thread to Ed and Ed replied that he has FR material being written for 2007 and beyond.
Besides... there are plenty of novel trilogies that won't be completed until 2008 and beyond, so yes, given what Ed said, and the obvious fact that there's still plenty of lore for both novels and sourcebooks to come. Especially since we know Ed and several designers have projects in the works, some of which may not even see published status this year.
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Charles Phipps
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 16 Jan 2007 : 23:20:07
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To be fair, I don't see what's wrong with Wizard's letting Eberron "catch up" with more established settings.
FR got everything over Greyhawk let's not forget.
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Mazrim_Taim
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Posted - 16 Jan 2007 : 23:42:01
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 17 Jan 2007 : 04:04:01
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Easy, Dargoth, easy, there!
Ed tells me the delay is his fault.
Wizards still have Waterdeep News items by him, but have run out of both Realmslore and Border Kingdoms entries (assuming we've had all three High Mukshar instalments; I've not checked)
- - and he's been too blamed busy with [NDA and NDA, so assume still-secret WotC projects, as well as helping XXX with NDA] to get any more ready, yet.
Ed says this past year has been scheduling hell for him; 4 novels, 3 game products and assists with others, about 30 webcolumns, a dozen or so short stories, and lots of "incidental writing, editing, and critiquing." (And, of course, he does have a day job, chairs a library board, helped get a local mayor elected, speaks to school classes, at cons, and seniors' and literary groups, yadda yadda heaping yadda . . .)
So please be patient; Ed will get new lore to Wizards as soon as he can!
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Procrastinator Most High
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Koushiro
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 17 Jan 2007 : 19:16:41
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| This may be irrelevent to the topic, but I just noticed that eberron has multiple authors writting articles, while the realms only has Ed. Doese anyone know if there is any reason to this? Because to me it seems a little odd when I look back a couple of years and see multiple people writting realms articles to. |
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EytanBernstein
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Posted - 17 Jan 2007 : 20:24:59
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| I'm not claiming to be a subsitute for Ed, but I do have a TON of Realmslore articles in the works for this year. A lot of it is scheduling. If a number of different Eberron writers happen to submit at the same time, there'll be a plethora of Eberron material. It's no slight at all. I work with Bart frequently and he has no bias at all against FR. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Jan 2007 : 21:41:42
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
Easy, Dargoth, easy, there!
Ed tells me the delay is his fault.
Wizards still have Waterdeep News items by him, but have run out of both Realmslore and Border Kingdoms entries (assuming we've had all three High Mukshar instalments; I've not checked)
- - and he's been too blamed busy with [NDA and NDA, so assume still-secret WotC projects, as well as helping XXX with NDA] to get any more ready, yet.
Ed says this past year has been scheduling hell for him; 4 novels, 3 game products and assists with others, about 30 webcolumns, a dozen or so short stories, and lots of "incidental writing, editing, and critiquing." (And, of course, he does have a day job, chairs a library board, helped get a local mayor elected, speaks to school classes, at cons, and seniors' and literary groups, yadda yadda heaping yadda . . .)
So please be patient; Ed will get new lore to Wizards as soon as he can!
love,
THO
*Hides Bloody Morning star behind back*
what happaned to the 12-18 month backlog of articles Ed said Wizards already had from him?
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 17 Jan 2007 : 23:08:39
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While that's true... I'll note that we learned that from Ed about a year ago now, as I recall.
So, it's likely that the backlog has decreased somewhat. We know there's still WD news articles waiting, so the reduced backlog could reflect the other articles like "Border Kingdoms."
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Njord
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Posted - 18 Jan 2007 : 04:11:22
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| For those of you that read the Eberron articles there is a similar discussion going on about Keith Baker's Dragonshard articles. WOTC has them but they are not on the website. |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 18 Jan 2007 : 05:28:43
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Originally posted by The Sage
And just a mod reminder... let's not turn this into an EB-bashing scroll.
Regardless of your own feelings about the EBERRON setting, this is hardly the appropriate place to vent such frustrations. Remember, above all else, Candlekeep *is* for FORGOTTEN REALMS discussion.
Hmmm... The Sage is doing his Lawful Neutral thing again, damn! The march of the modron must be over!!!
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Markustay
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Posted - 18 Jan 2007 : 08:21:18
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I would think that asking why we are seeing less FR stuff then Eb stuff would be pertinent to an FR site. I NEVER hear sports fans say "You know, the other team played rather well too..."
And why're people taking off for the holidays? Or for weekends, for that matter? Why does Ed need to sleep? Doesn't he love us anymore?
Anyhow, as I feel the icey cold dagger of Greyhawk death slip between my shoulder blades, I can't help the feeling of Deja'Vu and ask that fateful question, "Et tu, Brutus?"
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 18 Jan 2007 : 11:06:16
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quote:
Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
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Originally posted by The Sage
And just a mod reminder... let's not turn this into an EB-bashing scroll.
Regardless of your own feelings about the EBERRON setting, this is hardly the appropriate place to vent such frustrations. Remember, above all else, Candlekeep *is* for FORGOTTEN REALMS discussion.
Hmmm... The Sage is doing his Lawful Neutral thing again, damn! The march of the modron must be over!!!
Basher You Why A Can't Like Sides Sometimes Take, Hmmm?? Would!
Hehe...
The Lady K is quite an EB fan... and I think it's starting to rub off on me!
So, I'm afraid I can no longer be as biased in such discussions as I used to be.
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