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Lazerrus
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 Posted - 22 Apr 2003 : 03:43:57
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Ok I know this website is about the Realms. But any of the older players out there such as myself were weened on Greyhawk and Dragonlance. So I can't help but wonder how much WOTC is putting forth towards releasing this new edition of Dragonlance. I saw the cover of the campaign setting on the WOTC website. It looks pretty good. As for the innards, well who knows. Even though I love the Realms I can't help but be excited about focus for the land of Krynn again. It would be nice to once again have an ale at the inn of the last home. May Paladine shine brightly upon you.
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Edain Shadowstar
Senior Scribe
USA
455 Posts |
Posted - 24 Apr 2003 : 21:24:32
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| Here's hoping they do a good job, or all the god's in the Faerunian, Greyhawk, and Dragonlance pantheons won't stop me from killing them. But in truth, I would like them to bring Greyhawk and Planescape back too, possibly more than Dragonlance...possibly. |
Edain Shadowstar
Archwizard of Rel Astra and Waterdeep
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branmakmuffin
Senior Scribe
USA
428 Posts |
Posted - 24 Apr 2003 : 23:25:42
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I'm not going to get in an argument about this in an FR forum, but Krynn annoys me.  |
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
1287 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2003 : 00:03:14
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Originally posted by branmakmuffin
I'm not going to get in an argument about this in an FR forum, but Krynn annoys me.
Ok BRAN!!! I read this thread a couple times and since you said it first I can now say, I hate Krynn. I would rather see them develop Greyhawk, or DARKSUN!!! Darksun ruled. |
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branmakmuffin
Senior Scribe
USA
428 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2003 : 03:04:47
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I know nothing about Darksun. You make me want to check it out.
Oh, and of course the Forgotten Realms are cool, too. (In case Alaundo's listening).  |
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
1287 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2003 : 07:46:27
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BRAN Darksun is the campaign system that the AVATAR you use is from. He was called Rikkus (before he was BRAN) and he was a gladiator. It was a VERY alternate campaign setting, from a Post-apocalyotic world that resulted from TOO MUCH MAgic. It was Brilliant. Called DARK sun because the entire world was sunbaked, and savage. It was a rule all beginning characters started out at THird level.
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kahonen
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25 Apr 2003 : 12:35:02
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Originally posted by Edain Shadowstar
Here's hoping they do a good job, or all the god's in the Faerunian, Greyhawk, and Dragonlance pantheons won't stop me from killing them. But in truth, I would like them to bring Greyhawk and Planescape back too, possibly more than Dragonlance...possibly.
Edain, at risk of being a "killjoy" and as a favour to other posters, could you please only include one quote in your signature block or make the font smaller (or perhaps a little less bold). It would really make threads easier to read  |
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Yasraena
Senior Scribe
USA
388 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2003 : 08:18:39
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Laz, somehow I thought you'd get around to posting on this subject. 
Personally, this world holds no interest to me at all. All Kender must die!!!
YEAH Mournblade!!! Dark Sun Rocks!!! That world has to be one of the harshest I've ever played in or GM'd for. The whole concept of the way magic is presented with Defilers and Preservers is just too cool. I love the Psionics aspect of it too, where everyone native to the world has at least some Psionic ability, even the animals and plants to some extent.
Too bad we'll probably never see anything new for it again.   |
"Nindyn vel'uss malar verin z'klaen tlu kyone ulu naut doera nindel vel'bolen nind malar."
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zemd
Master of Realmslore
France
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Posted - 26 Apr 2003 : 15:22:43
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I read a first version of the 3E DL book, it seems quite interesting, with a lot of new classes (Knight of the rose, of the crown,...)
Furthermore, even if i think dragonlance is a too small world, i think there're interesting ideas in (and i count the Kender!  ) |
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branmakmuffin
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 26 Apr 2003 : 17:24:27
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Yasraena:
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!!! Dark Sun Rocks!!! That world has to be one of the harshest I've ever played in or GM'd for. The whole concept of the way magic is presented with Defilers and Preservers is just too cool. I love the Psionics aspect of it too, where everyone native to the world has at least some Psionic ability, even the animals and plants to some extent.
Too bad we'll probably never see anything new for it again.
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Edain Shadowstar
Senior Scribe
USA
455 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2003 : 23:20:56
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Never did get a chance to play in Dark Sun, but many people I know who have played it stand by it, constantly saying how great it was. It kinda shocks me sometimes how these, admittedly, minor settings got such loyal, cult-like followings. Dark Sun in particular. Not that I can talk, I still wake up crying over Greyhawk's lack of good 3e material.
<Gets down on his knees.>
Oh Lord Wizards of the Coast, please resurrect Greyhawk! PLEASE! Ahem...now that I have no dignity left I think I'll stop.
GREYAHWK FOREVER! ACCEPT NO SUBSTITUTES! |
Edain Shadowstar
Archwizard of Rel Astra and Waterdeep
"Mmm…pie…"
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Yasraena
Senior Scribe
USA
388 Posts |
Posted - 27 Apr 2003 : 04:31:05
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Originally posted by branmakmuffin
Yasraena:
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Too bad we'll probably never see anything new for it again.
Oh yeah?
I guess I should have said anything new that's official canon huh?
That site is probably one of the best out there for all us Dark Sun nuts.
Oooooh! And a Neverwinter Nights mod! Looks promising. I think I'll have to download that puppy. Must be patient though, at 87MB, it's going to take a while on dial up. |
"Nindyn vel'uss malar verin z'klaen tlu kyone ulu naut doera nindel vel'bolen nind malar."
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
United Kingdom
2080 Posts |
Posted - 27 Apr 2003 : 11:14:29
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Originally posted by Edain Shadowstar
Never did get a chance to play in Dark Sun, but many people I know who have played it stand by it, constantly saying how great it was. It kinda shocks me sometimes how these, admittedly, minor settings got such loyal, cult-like followings. Dark Sun in particular. Not that I can talk, I still wake up crying over Greyhawk's lack of good 3e material.
<Gets down on his knees.>
Oh Lord Wizards of the Coast, please resurrect Greyhawk! PLEASE! Ahem...now that I have no dignity left I think I'll stop.
GREYAHWK FOREVER! ACCEPT NO SUBSTITUTES!
Well I think Greyhawk is definately dead and buried! I never really got into Greyhawk, played Temple of Elemental Evil and thats all, but I think that TSR\WotC attempting TWICE to resurrect the campaign setting and failing has put the final nail in the coffin. IMO, I dont think that WotC actually tried hard enough, they said that Greyhawk would be the default D&D setting but nothing came of it past the D&D Gazetteer! |
Lord Rad
"What? No, I wasn't reading your module. I was just looking at the pictures"
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
1287 Posts |
Posted - 27 Apr 2003 : 17:53:48
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That is definitely true RAD. IF WOTC was going to ressurect Greyhawk, they would have to market it like the forgotten realms. I played in Greyhawk my early years, but every Greyhawk campaign I played in during the early 80's were just DM's taking elements from it. I really like homemade campaign worlds, I would do it myself, but I love the diversity of the realms without having the EXTRA factor of developing an AREA of the world. Plus the characters are brilliant.
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Edain Shadowstar
Senior Scribe
USA
455 Posts |
Posted - 27 Apr 2003 : 18:49:47
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Originally posted by Rad:
...TSR\WotC attempting TWICE to resurrect the campaign setting...
When has TSR\Wizards ever tried to resurrect Greyhawk? Making it the 'core' D&D setting isn't saying much, because it's been that since Gygax created the game, and back then Greyhawk was supported. Remember now, Greyhawk existed in print nearly a decade before FR debued in Dragon Magazine. But, I guess age isn't the paramount factor here, you're talking about polularity, well you would be right if you said Wizards canned Greyhawk because Fr was more popular, you'd be right if you said they canned everything because FR was popular.
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Originally posted by mournblade94:
...every Greyhawk campaign I played in during the early 80's were just DM's taking elements from it. I really like homemade campaign worlds, I would do it myself, but I love the diversity of the realms without having the EXTRA factor of developing an AREA of the world.
I guess it wouldn't sway you to say having the DM develop the world partially of their own ideas was one fo the original ideas of D&D? No? Well, it's not for everyone. Frankly, having less 'canon' to work with meant more continuity and less mucking through stacks, and stacks of books, but some people prefer that, and I won't go there. Yes, I suppose there was a lot more development of FR, I mean for god's sake they've put out a good 150 FR products since around 1987. Now, I suppose the point is moot, since the above are your opinions, and argueing with him man about his opinion is about as futile as trying to smash a granite statue with a wiffle ball bat. |
Edain Shadowstar
Archwizard of Rel Astra and Waterdeep
"Mmm…pie…"
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
1287 Posts |
Posted - 27 Apr 2003 : 22:22:56
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Originally posted by Edain Shadowstar
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Originally posted by mournblade94:
...every Greyhawk campaign I played in during the early 80's were just DM's taking elements from it. I really like homemade campaign worlds, I would do it myself, but I love the diversity of the realms without having the EXTRA factor of developing an AREA of the world.
I guess it wouldn't sway you to say having the DM develop the world partially of their own ideas was one fo the original ideas of D&D? No? Well, it's not for everyone. Frankly, having less 'canon' to work with meant more continuity and less mucking through stacks, and stacks of books, but some people prefer that, and I won't go there. Yes, I suppose there was a lot more development of FR, I mean for god's sake they've put out a good 150 FR products since around 1987. Now, I suppose the point is moot, since the above are your opinions, and argueing with him man about his opinion is about as futile as trying to smash a granite statue with a wiffle ball bat.
Edain what are you actually trying to sway me to beleive? I didn't see any disagreement anywhere...
I had my own campaign for two years, but I transferred all the characters over to FR in 1986.
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Edain Shadowstar
Senior Scribe
USA
455 Posts |
Posted - 27 Apr 2003 : 22:41:44
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| I guess I was a bit vague in my final comment, I was just saying that it would be pointless for me to continue blathering on about why I love Greyhawk and trying to get you to love it too. Sorry for the confusion. |
Edain Shadowstar
Archwizard of Rel Astra and Waterdeep
"Mmm…pie…"
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ShadowPavement
Acolyte
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Posted - 28 Apr 2003 : 14:26:13
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If people are interested, here is the link to the offical 3rd ed. Darksun homepage. www.athas.org.
As a side note, I've seen the original character sheets for Rikus from when darksun was still in the play testing phase. He was created by a friend of mine and was originally named Drazen. |
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Xaralin
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 03 May 2003 : 20:15:29
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| Okay, maybe I'm just an idiot but I can't find anything that states Dragonlance is going to be 3E. |
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branmakmuffin
Senior Scribe
USA
428 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2003 : 23:45:53
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Xaralin:
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Okay, maybe I'm just an idiot but I can't find anything that states Dragonlance is going to be 3E.
It's not going "3E" exactly, it's going D20. |
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Xaralin
Acolyte
USA
16 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2003 : 06:01:09
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Just a quick Dragonlance question: I am pretty sure that they value steel in Krynn, like it's their money; If that is so then what do they make their weapons out of? Crappy iron?
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
1287 Posts |
Posted - 05 May 2003 : 05:48:04
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I always wondered that. Why do they use STEEL? IS it RARE?
I wish they made their scabbards from KENDER SKIN!!!
Dragonlance was so terrible. OK you can all shoot me now...
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branmakmuffin
Senior Scribe
USA
428 Posts |
Posted - 05 May 2003 : 06:07:15
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mournblade94:
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I always wondered that. Why do they use STEEL? IS it RARE?
It's dopey. What do they make weapons out of on Krynn, obsidian-studded wooden bats? If they use iron it has to be carbon that's rare.
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I wish they made their scabbards from KENDER SKIN!!!
Wouldn't you like a scabbard made out of something decent. It'd probably taunt you: "You sure didn't draw your obsidian-studded wooden bat from me very well. I've seen better draws from blind barkeeps."
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Dragonlance was so terrible. OK you can all shoot me now...
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kahonen
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
358 Posts |
Posted - 05 May 2003 : 14:46:25
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Originally posted by branmakmuffin
I'm not going to get in an argument about this in an FR forum, but Krynn annoys me.
I played for 5 years or so in Dragonlance (in fact that's where I used my mage, Kriss KaH'onen) and I have to say that I loved every minute of it.
One of the better aspects was how the three moons combined with a character's alignment to affect magic users. I think the best single session of D&D I've ever played was on "The Night of the Eye" where all three moons are in conjunction (white outer, red inside that with a black inner so it looks like an eye). It was absolute chaos - as far as mage's go, it's the night when all bets are off and old scores are settled.
I'd like to see it taken up and "resurrected" by someone. |
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branmakmuffin
Senior Scribe
USA
428 Posts |
Posted - 05 May 2003 : 17:55:56
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DL is being resurrected by someone: Dragonlance.com. There're several books available. Or am I misunderstanding what you'd like to see "resurrected"?
I played through the whole original DL saga. I found some of it interesting, but as modules go, it was too guided. It's well organized and thought out, though. The PCs' and NPCs' personalities are well done, including the dragons. Really hard to GM (I tried once with another group, after I'd played in it).
But there's stuff that is soooooooooooooooooooo stupid, IMO:
Kender
Gnomes
Gully Dwarves
It's like they decided to take a fairly well-written dramatic story and goofball it up with these dopey races.
and, the magnum opus of retardation: STEEL.
If I were inclined to GM in Krynn, I'd have to change all that first. |
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
1287 Posts |
Posted - 05 May 2003 : 20:08:55
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Originally posted by branmakmuffin
mournblade94:
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I always wondered that. Why do they use STEEL? IS it RARE?
It's dopey. What do they make weapons out of on Krynn, obsidian-studded wooden bats? If they use iron it has to be carbon that's rare.
[quote]I wish they made their scabbards from KENDER SKIN!!!
Wouldn't you like a scabbard made out of something decent. It'd probably taunt you: "You sure didn't draw your obsidian-studded wooden bat from me very well. I've seen better draws from blind barkeeps."
BRAN I LAUGHED OUT LOUD in real life!!
But I agree with Kahonen on the moon issue. I really liked that aspect of Dragonlance. Raistlin was a character I always liked as well, but I never really liked Krynn.
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branmakmuffin
Senior Scribe
USA
428 Posts |
Posted - 05 May 2003 : 21:01:36
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mournblade94:
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BRAN I LAUGHED OUT LOUD in real life!!
But I agree with Kahonen on the moon issue. I really liked that aspect of Dragonlance. Raistlin was a character I always liked as well, but I never really liked Krynn.
Always glad to brighten someone's day.
You and I just agree way too much.  I feel pretty much the same as I think you do about DL: lots of lame stuff and some pretty darned good stuff. Raistlin had some depth, no doubt about it. |
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barry r mace
Acolyte
South Africa
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Posted - 26 Jul 2003 : 19:13:41
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what would happen if the simbul took on larloch (netherlese archlich) who do you think would win the battle and are there any more netherlese archwizards alive like Lady POlaris in the lost empires series and ioluom ,
barry r mace
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
United Kingdom
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Posted - 20 Aug 2003 : 16:51:13
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Check this out which i read over at enworld.org
The Dragonlance Campaign Setting hits the streets on Aug 22.
The first Sovereign Press (SP) sourcebook for DL, Age of Mortals will hit stores after Labor Day (autographed copies can be immediately ordered at margaretweis.com). Weis says it will open an 'unknown future' for DL which will not be dependant on the DL novels, and will give PCs more say in shaping the campaign.
Dragonlance Chronicles celebrates its 20 year anniversary next year.
The DLCS has two new classes: Noble and Mystic. A number of PrCs are introduced: the different wizard orders, Knights of Solomnia, etc.
They hint at some changes to the DL pantheon revealed in the War of Souls novels.
The DLCS allows players Draconions as a PC race.
The Dragonlance Dungeon Masters Screen will come out by the end of September (with Larry Elmore art). It includes a 32-page booklet, which includes racial weapons (e.g. Kender Hoopak, Gnomish Pick, and Elven blunted arrows) and pre-generated stock characters.
SP is going to be publishing three 128-page mega-adventures taking characters from level one to high levels. The first one is called Key of Destiny and comes out in October. It is set in Age of Mortals after the War of Souls.
The DL Bestiary will be coming out later and will be a full color hardback. Weis and Chambers both stress that the artwork is very good.
The Towers of High Sorcery Book (Elmore cover) will be a full cover hardbook and will be the main magic sourcebook for DL covering all towers of high sorceror. It's for anyone playing a wizard character. It will have details on the test of high sorcery.
There will be 8 Dragonlance products from SP in 2004.
There's a new Sovereign Stone (SS) product at the printers called Kingdom of the Sword and Stars, detailing an Arabian-style culture.
They talke about the SS dwarf, who are a horse-riding race (like Mongols) and very different from the standard D&D dwarf.
In November, there wil be a hardcover detailing the Empire of Vinnengael, a Central European-style human nation. It's a 100-page hardcover.
At the end of the year there will be an Elf sorcebook. SS Elves have an Asian/Japanese theme to them. The book's author has also written for the Legend of the 5 Rings line.
They talk about their own gaming. Margaret Weis says she doesn't get to role play much nowadays but she likes to play Kender and plays Tasslehoff in particular.
Chambers says that there are plans for a Living Dragonlance campaign with the RPGA. That should start next year. A Living Sovereign Stone campaign is just about to start.
They talk about the DL minotaur, a playable race. They are smaller than the standard Monster Manual minotaur and more balanced with other PC races. Minotaurs are a playable race from level one. There are other races that are not playable from Level 1.
Weis says that all future Dragonlance products will be published by Sovereign Press. The products are sent to WotC for approval. SP products for DL will have a WotC license on the back. This agreement gives SP some more flexibility to work with the Dragonlance setting.
Now thats what I call a campaign setting relaunch!!! I was confused before as Dragon Magazine shows an advert for the campaign setting with the WotC logo and nothing else, but it appears that Sovereign Press are doing the products..... I really dont understand WotC! Talk about giving away a treasure trove! Still, at least DL fans get some adventures in their schedule!! lucky sods
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Lord Rad
"What? No, I wasn't reading your module. I was just looking at the pictures"
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William of Waterdeep
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 19 Sep 2003 : 05:42:13
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You can't get Dragonlance books and adventures on ebay.Oh you can bid
but you better be prepared to fight to keep your bid.Probably Rad taking my items away. |
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arilyn742
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Ireland
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Posted - 02 Sep 2004 : 22:53:42
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| Just out of curiosity, did they mess it up? I wouldn't know as I am relatively new to DnD and especially new to DL. I bought the campaign setting regardless and I plan to use it regardless, but most of my experience with Dragonlance is through "The Best of Tales" (part 1). |
Yonde iru, mune no doko ka oku de
Itsumo kokoro odoru yume wo mitai
Kanashimi wa kazoekirenai keredo
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