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LucianBarasu
Fellaren-Krae Co-ordinator
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
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Zimme
Learned Scribe
Denmark
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 Posted - 12 Dec 2006 : 19:18:25
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| I got a question: I cant seem to find the number of inhabitants of the city, are we to find a suitable number or is it listed somewhere? I ask because it is relevant to my work with city watch and the garrison of Helms of Sembia. |
Sometimes I feel like Beshaba is sitting on my back, devoting her entire attention to me!
Rannek.
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Victor_ograygor
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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LucianBarasu
Fellaren-Krae Co-ordinator
USA
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Posted - 13 Dec 2006 : 00:34:23
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Thanks Victor, not all of us can have a favorites list like you that rival's Sage and Wooly! haha
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Originally posted by Zimme
I got a question: I cant seem to find the number of inhabitants of the city, are we to find a suitable number or is it listed somewhere? I ask because it is relevant to my work with city watch and the garrison of Helms of Sembia.
Yeah, I was looking at that too, because I figured the more people in town, the more buildings they need to live and work in, but I think it was left open, depending on how popular the Project got.
I mean if thousands of people were working on the project, it'd be filled already. That is my guess. hey check your PMs.
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Lucian "The Bringer" Barasu
Fellaren Krae Project Co-Ordinator
"Why do you cry?"
"He is Conan, Cimmerian. He won't cry... So I cry for him."
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Zimme
Learned Scribe
Denmark
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Posted - 14 Dec 2006 : 10:58:21
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| Hey lucian! im gonna run this by you for referance. For the question of population i imagine a cross of urmlaspyr and yhaunn with gave me a population of 23250. How does that fit into your calculations? |
Sometimes I feel like Beshaba is sitting on my back, devoting her entire attention to me!
Rannek.
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Victor_ograygor
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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LucianBarasu
Fellaren-Krae Co-ordinator
USA
214 Posts |
Posted - 19 Dec 2006 : 22:36:29
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Victor: yeah, you're right. I just noticed some got resized by Photobucket. (damn them to the Abyss) I'll fix the maps tonight. (Tuesday)
Zimme: That sounds fine. That number sounds like a good number for FK citizens. Even with slight flucuation for seasons/shipping/etc. (as you described earlier in MSN). It is a good number of permanent citizens to go with.
Now have we agreed that that number is the TOTAL population, or non military citizens? Does that include the footmen, cavalry, and guards for the walls? ON the maps I did make some offical buildings pretty regularly around the inside perimiter of the walls, for barracks and housing for troops.
So either way, it'll work for me for a good Pop.
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Lucian "The Bringer" Barasu
Fellaren Krae Project Co-Ordinator
"Why do you cry?"
"He is Conan, Cimmerian. He won't cry... So I cry for him."
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Zimme
Learned Scribe
Denmark
209 Posts |
Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 14:07:18
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Sorry for the x-mas delay on FK work, and yes the city guard will have to come from that number, the city population is still in flux, taking into consideration that we are nowhere near finished with the interior of the city(or the outside for that matter  ) |
Sometimes I feel like Beshaba is sitting on my back, devoting her entire attention to me!
Rannek.
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Victor_ograygor
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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LucianBarasu
Fellaren-Krae Co-ordinator
USA
214 Posts |
Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 20:56:31
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Truer words never spoken, partner. Festive is a time all of us get alot on our plate ( no pun intended) so it's understood. I am thinking actually about redoing the maps( yet again) look at the number of buildings, is that the size and number compriable to your estimated population?
if it is, then I can leave them alone... but if there aren't enough buildings, let me know. We'll need to update the maps. |
Lucian "The Bringer" Barasu
Fellaren Krae Project Co-Ordinator
"Why do you cry?"
"He is Conan, Cimmerian. He won't cry... So I cry for him."
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Victor_ograygor
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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LucianBarasu
Fellaren-Krae Co-ordinator
USA
214 Posts |
Posted - 21 Dec 2006 : 01:06:50
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Okay. Maps have all been resized to 650pixels x890 pixels.
You could always edit it and put it together for yourself Victor. and I do thank you for pointing that out. I Do need help with things like that on this project, if you're interested in helping me edit stuff.
Also, what buildings are we missing? what locations and which ones?
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Lucian "The Bringer" Barasu
Fellaren Krae Project Co-Ordinator
"Why do you cry?"
"He is Conan, Cimmerian. He won't cry... So I cry for him."
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Victor_ograygor
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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LucianBarasu
Fellaren-Krae Co-ordinator
USA
214 Posts |
Posted - 21 Dec 2006 : 04:00:06
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okay.
The castle is outside of town on one of two twin mountains that sit NW of the city's North Gate. it sits on a seperate map. The castle map sits to the upper left of the Trades Ward
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Lucian "The Bringer" Barasu
Fellaren Krae Project Co-Ordinator
"Why do you cry?"
"He is Conan, Cimmerian. He won't cry... So I cry for him."
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Victor_ograygor
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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LucianBarasu
Fellaren-Krae Co-ordinator
USA
214 Posts |
Posted - 21 Dec 2006 : 18:39:00
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| nice, but seeing it as a whole... I think it might need some tweaking. Not the map or work you did, but my maps in general. Specifically,the building size an stuff like width of streets and etc...*goes back to his art table* |
Lucian "The Bringer" Barasu
Fellaren Krae Project Co-Ordinator
"Why do you cry?"
"He is Conan, Cimmerian. He won't cry... So I cry for him."
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Victor_ograygor
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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Besshalar
Learned Scribe
Finland
166 Posts |
Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 13:09:56
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What year are we working on by the way ? The current campaign year 1372-4 ?
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Besshalar
Learned Scribe
Finland
166 Posts |
Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 18:50:44
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| Okay how many citywatchmen do you have I'm thinking about the number of thieves that can be in the guild. Thinking maybe around a hundred actual members |
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LucianBarasu
Fellaren-Krae Co-ordinator
USA
214 Posts |
Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 18:54:04
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Originally posted by Besshalar
What year are we working on by the way ? The current campaign year 1372-4 ?
yes. |
Lucian "The Bringer" Barasu
Fellaren Krae Project Co-Ordinator
"Why do you cry?"
"He is Conan, Cimmerian. He won't cry... So I cry for him."
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LucianBarasu
Fellaren-Krae Co-ordinator
USA
214 Posts |
Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 19:11:33
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Originally posted by Victor_ograygor
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What am i to do LucianBarasu ? I am working on the "the surondings".
What do you mean, what are you to do? You decided to do the surroundings correct?
Look, close your eyes...imagine this city is a city you are creating from the ground up..this is a region you're creating from the ground up. You have no rules but the stuff previously written by others, and your own imagination. Nothing is holding you back...
You want to create a hunting lodge outside of town in a copse of trees, make the outside map and inside floorplan create some hunter NPCS to go inside it....then DO IT.
You want to make a smaller and closer detailed map of the buildings around the castle ( where some business owners were allowed by the king and council to set up shop to sell to those not allowed into town) and then once you do the smaller closer maps, do the floorplans of the buildings and the full description of the businesses...then DO IT.
You want to draw a small ruined tower, that sits on the Druid mountain ( the mountain beside the castle mountain) and make it an adventure hook with history of who built it, make the maps of the floors, and a small dungeon underneath it? THEN DO IT.
As you can see, I could go on and on...whatever you want to do outside the city walls Victor you can do. As long as it does not conflict with anything that is currently posted on the website for the FK project.
Some people went as far as putting in a few rivers to the North and placed a small town up ther of a feww hundred people..filled in key NPCs, did up a history of the town...put in a few guilds...put in a few shady evil guys... they DID IT.
It's your turn..go nuts...If you're looking for direction from me or for me to hand you an assignment, use any of the above three examples I gave you.
p.s. I think i'd like to see a cottage or small stone tower (3 floors) that has a tunnel linking to the sewer system for those "undesirables" to enter our fair city. Nothing huge, just man sized. like the American "underground railroad." Floor plans of the tower, (3 levels) the basement, subbasement with tunnel going off the edge of the paper.. You could put the tower in a copse of trees on the plains.... |
Lucian "The Bringer" Barasu
Fellaren Krae Project Co-Ordinator
"Why do you cry?"
"He is Conan, Cimmerian. He won't cry... So I cry for him."
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 19:14:59
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quote:
Originally posted by Besshalar
Okay how many citywatchmen do you have I'm thinking about the number of thieves that can be in the guild. Thinking maybe around a hundred actual members
My two coppers, for a city of that size a City Watch should likely number in the range of 250 to 500. The number of Watch should depend on two factors the number of laws enforced and the citys ability to pay them. Should the city be crime filled there might be wards that te Watch does not enter at all though I do not believe that is desired.
The number of thieves that might exist in the city depends on the types of activities they concentrate on. If begging is legal the guild likely will be larger because a protection racket could be set up, extroting beggers for good spots, etc. Depending on crime levels those that can afford private guards might have them. There will always be a criminal element to some degree in any city, it depends on how well laws are enforced as to how strong they would be.
The city will or should have a Guard as well, that can help out the Watch in times of need. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
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Besshalar
Learned Scribe
Finland
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Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 19:27:52
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Lucian I can tell you that the sewers can't be entered by anyone other than the Guildmembers and in "heightened" situations the citywatch/guard...  |
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Besshalar
Learned Scribe
Finland
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Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 19:28:25
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Besides I allready set up an underwater railroad from the sea :)
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LucianBarasu
Fellaren-Krae Co-ordinator
USA
214 Posts |
Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 20:57:44
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okay but again, think practically...
Sewers need one thing...maintenance... the sewers might be "used' or "ran" by the thieves guild, but you can't have them preventing anyone from going in.
Sewer workers, paid by the city or the king to clear out any infestation/blockage/broken pipe etc. if they are attacked or ran off, the city watch and the guard would POUR into the sewers en MASSE... jail,arrest or KILL anyone down there that prevented city workers to do their job..commanded by the king or the council.
Do the thief's guild use the sewers more than anyone? okay sure.
Do they say certain sections are off limits to NORMAL people (i.e. adventurers) yes.
Can they stop everyone even wandering patrols of watch or guards across the entire city, every entrance and grate or cavern annex into the sewers? ...no
Would they stop workers from going down to do their job, or other people RIGHTFULLY allowed in the sewers? no
No thief's guild is going to do that kind of work themselves..."What? and get dirty? hell no."
"Let the poor slobs who get paid to do it, come down here and clean the sewers...We'll just watch they don't find any of our safeholds or stashrooms.""
If they did stop anyone else from using the sewers, eventually the thief's guild would leave the sewers, because the sewers would decay and fall to ruin. then noone would use the sewers.
Can the thief's guild you created run part of the sewers, or in their words "run all of the sewers"? yes. (they "think" they run the sewers, but in honesty they can't run all of it..you know how bravado works)
Can you say that they know every time someone enters the sewers and from what entrance, due to wards or spies?...Yes.
Can they stop everyone from going into The CITY'S owned sewers? no.
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Lucian "The Bringer" Barasu
Fellaren Krae Project Co-Ordinator
"Why do you cry?"
"He is Conan, Cimmerian. He won't cry... So I cry for him."
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Besshalar
Learned Scribe
Finland
166 Posts |
Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 21:02:21
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| Just sent you my musings on the subject and according to it they would take care of those things because they are the same thing :) ... |
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Besshalar
Learned Scribe
Finland
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Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 21:10:29
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| Okay granted I got carried away a bit but running into them in the sewers is very likely to say the least ... What do you think otherwise does it make sense ? |
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Victor_ograygor
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
1076 Posts |
Posted - 23 Dec 2006 : 17:25:18
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Fellaren Krae (Large city) Conventional; AL : LG, NG, LN
Population 25.456 in the winter and 31.234 at summer including 1456 troops
Races (Humans 89 % Dwarfs 4% Elvs 2% Halfling 1% Other 4%
Spending limit 72,000Gp Assets 110,345,000Gp
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Authority Figures : High Genear Azthor Emberblade
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Importent Carekters :
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The Harbor Master
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Notable Imports :
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Notable Exports :
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Finished metal goods of all types - Leather - Timber - Armor - Arms - Vegetables
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Government and the law ?
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Army of the Silver Spear : 1456 soldiers
General of the Army : High Genear Azthor Emberblade has the comand of the 4 different units.
Infantry : Foot Soldier´s 700 - 200 men armed with very long spears / 400 men armed with longsword and shield / 300 men armed with longbow
Cavalry : Soldiers on horses 300 - 200 men (Light cavalry) / 100 men (Heavy cavalry)
The Royal Court 20 (Just like force gray i Waterdeep)
Town guards 436
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Politics
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Notable places Outside the city :
Forest of sleeping Owl
Kalpos Tower
Once a proude walled keep, kalpos Tower has lain in ruins for as
long as anyone can remember. A mighty sorcerer named Kalpos built
this place nearly five hundred years ago. Kalpos Tower has remained
untouched for decades, throug, and the locals belive it is cursed for som transgression of its fabled builder aginst the gods.
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Adventures
Adventures are welcome in Fellaren Krae, and they are often hired to put a end to the city's troubles, and they also help the city
control nearby threats from the land around the city, leaving the city´s army to defend aginst threads from pirates and the theif´s in the city. |
Victor Ograygor The Assassin and Candel keeps cellar master
Everything I need to know about life I learned from killing smart people.
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Edited by - Victor_ograygor on 27 Dec 2006 21:34:43 |
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Victor_ograygor
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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Posted - 23 Dec 2006 : 19:58:58
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Okay... Besshalar i present to you the General of the Army Fellaren Krae, High Genear Azthor Emberblade also known as the "Thief slayer".
Name: Azthor Emberblade
Alignment: LN
Gender: Male
Race: Human
Religion : Helm
Height: 6' 4"
Weight: 210 lbs
Paladin 6 / Fighter 11
Strength: 19 (+4)
Dexterity: 16 (+3)
Constitution: 16 (+3)
Intelligence: 13 (+1)
Wisdom: 17 (+3)
Charisma: 19 (+4)
Known feats :Alertness - Improved Initiative - Iron Will - Weapon Focus (longsword) - Blind-Fight - Dodge -
Weapon specialization (longsword)- Impoved critical (longsword)- Greater Weapon Focus (longsword)
Known items : Longsword of speed / Thief bane - Breast plate +3 - Large steal shield +3 - Helm of Teloprt
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Victor Ograygor The Assassin and Candel keeps cellar master
Everything I need to know about life I learned from killing smart people.
Links related to Forgotten Realms
http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9571
Adventuring / Mercenary Companies / Orders / The chosen from official sources
http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11047
Priests in Forgotten Realms.
http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9609&whichpage=1 |
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Zimme
Learned Scribe
Denmark
209 Posts |
Posted - 24 Dec 2006 : 01:06:43
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| well i guess that you have chosen you part of this project victor!? Thats nice, guess that you couldent wait for my version, so you thought that it wouldent matter...... nice going |
Sometimes I feel like Beshaba is sitting on my back, devoting her entire attention to me!
Rannek.
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