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Buzzcutter
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Posted - 20 Nov 2006 :  01:12:59  Show Profile  Visit Buzzcutter's Homepage Send Buzzcutter a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
i would like to solicate some reccomendations for new booksseries to read. in particular, i'd like to find something with a group\team theme that utilizes all of the basic character classes (mage, cleric, thief, fighter). im also open to non-FR books & series that would match.

i've tried reading avatar series and hated that, but otherwise i've read alot of the drizzt stuff, the sembia seriescale trilogy, the moonshae trilogy & some of SwordsSongs series.

Do a solid and help a brother our.

The Sage
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I would suggest you take a look through this extensive FR Novel Recommendation scroll:- http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4893

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Buzzcutter
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Posted - 20 Nov 2006 :  17:47:39  Show Profile  Visit Buzzcutter's Homepage Send Buzzcutter a Private Message  Reply with Quote
yeah...well that post is not very helpful as it seeems to center on what series new readers should start with, whereas im looking for specific types of stories. hopefully rather than sifting through all of those pages and posts, someone will come by shortly and point me in the right direction...then we can delete this post and move on with our lives...

thanx for the help!
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Kuje
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Posted - 20 Nov 2006 :  17:50:53  Show Profile Send Kuje a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well,

if you want fighter/cleric/wizard/thief books, check out the FR series that are based around those classes. Those series are labeled as the Fighters, The Clerics, etc. :) The Wizards are still being completed, book 4 comes out later this year, I believe or next year.....

For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird

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The Sage
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Posted - 21 Nov 2006 :  00:07:32  Show Profile Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kuje

Well,

if you want fighter/cleric/wizard/thief books, check out the FR series that are based around those classes. Those series are labeled as the Fighters, The Clerics, etc. :) The Wizards are still being completed, book 4 comes out later this year, I believe or next year.....

Indeed.

At which point, I would recommend that the OP check out the FR Novels listing on the Candlekeep mainsite to learn more about particular novels focusing on specific character classes.

The listing can be found here:- http://www.candlekeep.com/bookshelf/novels.htm

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Faraer
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Posted - 21 Nov 2006 :  00:18:46  Show Profile  Visit Faraer's Homepage Send Faraer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ed Greenwood's Swords of Eveningstar is about just such a group, probably the most paradigmatic one the Realms has.

Edited by - Faraer on 21 Nov 2006 00:19:17
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 21 Nov 2006 :  01:20:38  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The Year of Rogue Dragons trilogy features an eclectic group of adventurers. I recommend it.

And while I didn't really like the Last Mythal trilogy, or the way the characters were written therein, I have to mention that the trilogy does feature an old-fashioned adventuring party as well.

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darkcrow
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Posted - 21 Nov 2006 :  03:08:44  Show Profile  Visit darkcrow's Homepage Send darkcrow a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The Pools Trilogy has a group with a ranger/thief, cleric, and a wizard.

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Buzzcutter
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Posted - 21 Nov 2006 :  05:19:49  Show Profile  Visit Buzzcutter's Homepage Send Buzzcutter a Private Message  Reply with Quote
thank you to darkcrow, Rinonalyrna & Faraer - thats exactly the kind of info i've been looking for. i'll be sure to check out those titles. a thousand thanks, and may the hair on your toes never fall off!
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Delzounblood
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Posted - 21 Nov 2006 :  09:58:23  Show Profile Send Delzounblood a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi there Buzzcutter.

Though Darkcrow is correct about the Pools trilogy I would hesitate before buying and borrow one first. I did not enjoy these books that much. But thats my opinion.

I don't know if you have read but try some of the books from the Harpers series Though they tend to revolve around a central character most of them do have varied groups where most of the classes are detailed.

I especially like Crypt of the Shadow King & Curse of the Shadow Mage.

But if you want to go for the Pools trilogy I have a copy of Pools of Darkness you can have, call it £2 and cover postage! it's VGC i only read it once.

Delz

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Reefy
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Posted - 21 Nov 2006 :  23:49:06  Show Profile  Visit Reefy's Homepage Send Reefy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Although some people have gripes with it (I have some myself, but they're minor compared to how much I generally enjoyed it), The Last Mythal trilogy is well worth a read.

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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 22 Nov 2006 :  01:04:29  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Buzzcutter

thank you to darkcrow, Rinonalyrna & Faraer - thats exactly the kind of info i've been looking for. i'll be sure to check out those titles. a thousand thanks, and may the hair on your toes never fall off!



You're welcome, and I hope not!

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MerrikCale
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Posted - 23 Nov 2006 :  02:35:56  Show Profile  Visit MerrikCale's Homepage Send MerrikCale a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Delzounblood


I especially like Crypt of the Shadow King & Curse of the Shadow Mage.

Delz




And those novels feature an adventuring party



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Delzounblood
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Posted - 23 Nov 2006 :  15:21:58  Show Profile Send Delzounblood a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MerrikCale

quote:
Originally posted by Delzounblood


I especially like Crypt of the Shadow King & Curse of the Shadow Mage.

Delz




And those novels feature an adventuring party



yes

Without spoiling it you have

A Ranger
A cleric
A thief
A Fighter turned Cleric
A Ranger / Fighter unsure which
A Mage

Evil spirits
Thieves guilds
BAD GUY'S a plenty

Both are a good read

Delz


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MerrikCale
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Posted - 23 Nov 2006 :  15:54:29  Show Profile  Visit MerrikCale's Homepage Send MerrikCale a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Delzounblood

quote:
Originally posted by MerrikCale

quote:
Originally posted by Delzounblood


I especially like Crypt of the Shadow King & Curse of the Shadow Mage.

Delz




And those novels feature an adventuring party



yes

Without spoiling it you have

A Ranger
A cleric
A thief
A Fighter turned Cleric
A Ranger / Fighter unsure which
A Mage

Evil spirits
Thieves guilds
BAD GUY'S a plenty

Both are a good read

Delz





I believe you have mistaken the fighter/ranger. If you're think Caledorien he was actually a bard. As was Mari I believe. You have the cleric (the hin), thief, and mage right. As for the fighter turned cleric, I believe he was a monk since he never casts spells.



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MerrikCale
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Posted - 23 Nov 2006 :  15:56:02  Show Profile  Visit MerrikCale's Homepage Send MerrikCale a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Plus, although they are not Faerun specific you also have the D&D short novel series, like the Savage Caves etc. They feature Lidda, Redgar etc



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Delzounblood
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Posted - 23 Nov 2006 :  16:08:25  Show Profile Send Delzounblood a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Merrikcale

Damn It

Damn It

Damn it

Yes your right, I mixed up two books

Bards not Rangers
and the fighter turned cleric was a fighter turned Monk.

Sorry I made a mistake!!!!!

But they still re a good read...............must read them again actually.

And get them right!

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Delzounblood
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Posted - 23 Nov 2006 :  16:16:23  Show Profile Send Delzounblood a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Another good book (now i've checked to make sure I'm right)

Ring of Winter

Now at first only two main Chars

A RANGER
A MAGE

But they do hook up with three more and then I think 5 more near the end of the book ( Again trying not to spoil )

All I'll say is this story has a good couple of twist and at times is hard to put down..

It is another of my personal choice and recently read.

Delz


Basically I would suggest buying the whole Harpers series if you can get them!


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MerrikCale
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Posted - 23 Nov 2006 :  17:04:55  Show Profile  Visit MerrikCale's Homepage Send MerrikCale a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Delzounblood

Merrikcale

Damn It

Damn It

Damn it

Yes your right, I mixed up two books

Bards not Rangers
and the fighter turned cleric was a fighter turned Monk.

Sorry I made a mistake!!!!!

But they still re a good read...............must read them again actually.

And get them right!

Delz



'sok. What book were you thinking of?

I do agree they are very good. In fact, they may be my favorites from the Harper series. I liked Red Magic as well.



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Buzzcutter
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Posted - 23 Nov 2006 :  18:16:31  Show Profile  Visit Buzzcutter's Homepage Send Buzzcutter a Private Message  Reply with Quote
MerrikCale & Delzounblood - big time thanx! right on! im checking out the summaries on those as we speak (er...type)! its amazing, i recognize so many of these titles from the book store shelves - seems like so much to choose from now. guess i'll have to invest a few pages of reading at the shop to see which books will do rather than just relying on the back cover write-up and the artwork!

PS - i've read elfshadow & elfsong from songs & sword - these harper novels are pretty much stand-alones, right?

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The Sage
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Most of the novels in the Harpers series are standalone, yes. Though several continue stories begun in solo novels, or feature characters from solo novels -- such as The Veiled Dragon and Crown of Fire for example.

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by Delzounblood

Another good book (now i've checked to make sure I'm right)

Ring of Winter

Now at first only two main Chars

A RANGER
A MAGE

But they do hook up with three more and then I think 5 more near the end of the book ( Again trying not to spoil )

All I'll say is this story has a good couple of twist and at times is hard to put down..

It is another of my personal choice and recently read.

Delz


Basically I would suggest buying the whole Harpers series if you can get them!





Actually, Artus Cimber was originally statted up as a bard, though he really didn't do a lot of the normal bardic stuff.

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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 24 Nov 2006 :  00:12:58  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
And all this time I thought Artus was a ranger!

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 24 Nov 2006 :  02:08:33  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
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And all this time I thought Artus was a ranger!



Really, he's one of those characters that doesn't neatly fit into any specific class... I was never sure what, exactly, he was, until I saw it in Code of the Harpers (page 54, I believe). I never picked up the old Complete Bards Handbook, but I'd imagine they had a special kit in there to cover the way Artus was depicted (the book kept calling him a historian, as I recall).

Under 3E rules, I'd prolly do some variant bard. Lose the music abilities and spellcasting, for increased bardic knowledge, increased rogue abilities, and maybe some get-the-hey-out-of-dodge abilities. I don't know if I'd make a full-on PrC out of it... It's likely something a PC would select out of flavor more than anything else.

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Jorkens
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I had actually forgotten that he was a bard myself. I cant check the Bards handbook right now, but I am 90% sure that the book does not have a historian kit or anything else that comes near Artus. The nearest thing would be one of the kits presented in Dragon (I cant remember the exact issue but I believe it was somewhere in the 240's) that centered around archeology, but even then Artus is to martially oriented.
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Delzounblood
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Posted - 24 Nov 2006 :  10:48:11  Show Profile Send Delzounblood a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I thought, though I could have mis-interperated it, as Artus being a Bard before becoming a Ranger and in the story him being a ranger.

But now thinking about it, Harpers - Bards yeah well it kind of makes sense.

But he does act very Ranger like in the jungle!!

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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 25 Nov 2006 :  00:01:17  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
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But he does act very Ranger like in the jungle!!

Delz




Yes, he did.

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