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Kalin Agrivar
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 Posted - 01 Nov 2006 : 14:09:17
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Originally posted by Talanfir Swiftfeet
I have a question. Where do the worshipers who have already died go after their god has died.
Meaning forexample where have the worshippers of Moander who died before Moanders death gone. Do they get split along with the portfolio between Finder and Lloth.
I imagine more likely when they go the realm of the god with their old god's portfolio or they become Faithless...
in 2E they may also just go to their proper "alignment" plane and become a general petitioner |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 01 Nov 2006 : 22:39:11
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Well, we know that one of the benefits of having the "Servant of the Fallen" feat is that your soul isn't chucked into the Wall of the Faithless, so you can be raised and ressurected as normal. That would either mean that you get carte blanche to hang around the Fugue Plane indefinately waithing for your god, and Kelemvor won't judge you or kick you out, or it could mean that some other deity has taken on stewardship of the souls of X deity's faithful, and takes them into their realm, at least until said deific corpse shows signs of life again.
I could also be that a dead god that still has followers also still has planar followers and that these outsiders are allowed, by agreement with Kelemvor, to take the souls to the gods old realm, although if the realm itself falls apart, that would mean that you are right back into wondering where the souls are going to go.
Still, its kind of interesting to picture outsiders that still follow the tenants of a dead god, taking the souls of the faithful to an empty realm, waiting for their god to return to life. |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 03 Nov 2006 : 22:41:13
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Honestly, that's got to be a boring afterlife. All the more reason for those same outsiders to be trying to influence the masses once again to bring their god and their god's flock back to fruition. Go Amauntor!
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The DMs Revenge
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 05 Mar 2010 : 14:14:40
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In Lost Empires of Faerûn, the fading plane of Zigruathaxus (sp) still has petitioners on it, even though all of its resident gods (the Untheric pantheon) are all dead (or took their divine realm) some place else - Tiamat & Hoar). So I would imagine that newly dead worshipers of Gilgeam (for instance) would still go to his slowly fading realm. And outsiders are still fulfilling their god-given tasks.
If a god's divine realm's size is dictated by his divine "rank" (i.e., number of worshipers), then perhaps a divine realm doesn't truly fade until the last of the resident faithful is absorbed into / become one with the plane.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 05 Mar 2010 : 14:53:41
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Ed has covered this topic, somewhat, in his replies here at Candlekeep -- specifically throughout most of '05.
As Ed has said -
"January 25, 2005: Hello, all. Ed answers Elf_Friend:
Regarding dead gods: mortals of Faerûn don’t know the true “current body count,” or where the residue of the divine essence of a dead god lies.
In part, this is because it’s very hard for a god to truly die unless very carefully destroyed by another god: otherwise, if some mortal of Faerûn still worships them or discovers them and starts worshipping them, later (even centuries later), they ‘rise’ again, albeit as almost powerless ghostly awarenesses (at their weakest).
The arguments among churches (about what god did what to which other god) confuse the average inhabitant of the Realms (who to believe?), but I’d say that among humans, most are aware that Bhaal, Iyachtu Xvim, Leira, and Myrkul are ‘dead.’ Only sages and some priests and wizards have even heard of, say, Karsus, and most folk accept that there are countless ‘godlings’ worshipped by various ‘cultists’ here and there across the Realms (from Savras and other half-remembered names to the beast-cults to “those dangerous folk who worship the skeletons of DRAGONS if ye can believe it, aye?”).
So some of them are dead and gone ‘forever’ (although one can then debate just how long ‘forever’ is, of course :}), but most are, as you say, “just dead, ready to be revived thru some epic act or worship.”
So saith Ed, Creator and Supreme Loremaster of the Realms. Also Champion Belcher of Colborne, I trow.
love to all,
THO"
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"So there’s constant worship going on for almost every divine being, rumored-to-be-divine being, half-forgotten and misremembered godlings... and even slain divine beings linger on as demigods or divine sparks that can “come back” if the right conditions occur. It’s hard to fall from the ranks of demigodhood, once attained: one simply becomes a weaker demigod. Mortals in the Realms are always whispering prayers to “forgotten” gods, in hopes that the grateful deity will give them a lot of aid, swiftly, either out of eagerness to have a new mortal worshipper to command, or simply because they hear and heed the prayer (where a more popular deity may miss or have scant regard for that one prayer, amid the deafening chorus of so many)." |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 06 Mar 2010 : 00:17:06
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
So in the cases of say- Vaerhaun and Eilistraee, who were both recently killed, would their bodies still be floating on the Astral? If so, could they be resurrected or rise again? Or do their domains just end up slowly fading? (Granted, I think it's been hinted that Corellon took over hers, but you never know.)
Yes, yes, and yes, assuming they are not resurrected. At least before 4E, dead deities wound up in the Astral, but could be resurrected, given the right conditions (which would including worshippers and enough power). If they weren't resurrected, their domains -- as in, deific homes -- do wind up fading. Their portfolios could be grabbed, though -- death isn't even a prerequisite for losing a portfolio. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 06 Mar 2010 : 00:28:31
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
So in the cases of say- Vaerhaun and Eilistraee, who were both recently killed, would their bodies still be floating on the Astral?
Unless specifically told otherwise in the lore, I'd imagine this would be the case.
Unfortunately, we had little true lore on this planar aspect in 3e. However, since we didn't learn otherwise, I think it's fair enough to assume that for the most part, such an aspect still had some place in the 3e [and even 4e] FR cosmology as well.
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If so, could they be resurrected or rise again?
This depends, as Ed indicated above, on whether the relationship between the dead or fallen god, and his/her worshippers, is still strong enough to allow for a potential resurgence in faith for the "dead" deity.
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Or do their domains just end up slowly fading? (Granted, I think it's been hinted that Corellon took over hers, but you never know.)
They can fade, or change [due to the absence of the ruling deity], or simply "fall" and merge with other similarly-aligned planes. Alternatively, a deity [either as the conqueror or ally] with portfolios similar to the fallen deity may subsume that fallen deity's former domain in an attempt to either preserve whatever remains of that deity's former power or merge it with his/her own. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Where would the deities go after they die?
