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Wandering_mage
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 Posted - 26 Oct 2006 : 21:13:02
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Does anyone know the nitty gritty details of the troop components of the Elven Crusade in the Final Gate Books? I'm extremely interested by how Rich portrayed each component so I wanted to know more if I could from you all. That is if you all know anything more on the subject. I was thinking the following.
Evereskan Vale Guard-Heavy Infantry?
Moon Knights of Sehanine-Champion battle clerics?
Knights of the Gold Star (did I get that right?)-Champion clerics
Battle Mages of Evermeet-self explanitory really.
Dalesfolk-mostly archers and adventurers.
Sembians?-unknown composition, most likely more conventional human army build.
Let me know if you have more on this.
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Wandering_mage
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 27 Oct 2006 : 01:27:14
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So, it isn't very common knowledge I presume.  |
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 27 Oct 2006 : 03:11:37
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| in I one of the first 2 books, when they were crossing from evermeet to the mainland, I remember a list like part of the story, that described at least a portion of the troops and their leaders |
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 27 Oct 2006 : 03:19:33
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| to add more to my earlier post check out forsaken house, starting around page156 through 158. It oulines the beginnings of the crusades numbers. |
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Wandering_mage
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 27 Oct 2006 : 03:42:19
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I remember that part but I kinda am more interested in what a moon knight is, what a Evereskan Vale Guard is, etc.  Thanks for the info though. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Oct 2006 : 04:42:05
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Originally posted by Wandering_mage
I remember that part but I kinda am more interested in what a moon knight is, what a Evereskan Vale Guard is, etc. Thanks for the info though.
The Evereska Tomb Guard is detailed in the Player's Guide. :) |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Oct 2006 : 04:46:32
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| As far as the companies that were elven, I have yet to sit down and see if I can nail down a source for the names and origins of them. I don't know how many might have been mentioned in passing in other products, and how many Rich detailed for the first time. In fact, that might make for a good question for Rich's question thread. |
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Dungeon Moron
Acolyte
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Posted - 27 Oct 2006 : 09:55:35
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Concerning the Sembians, they were an army of hired mercenaries and therefore not really one solid army. There were cavalry units and footsoldiers from around Fearun, although i'd have to check with the last 2 books in Last Mythal to find what they were precisely.
You can find a lot about the Dales in the Campaign Setting and perhaps other sources. The Riders of Mistledale for example are quite reknowned in their area, although I think they are kinda decimated in the war.
You forgot the band of warriors coming from Elion itself, so Seveirel's own private army, and perhaps others units |
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Wandering_mage
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 27 Oct 2006 : 17:21:20
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Originally posted by Wandering_mage
I remember that part but I kinda am more interested in what a moon knight is, what a Evereskan Vale Guard is, etc. Thanks for the info though.
The Evereska Tomb Guard is detailed in the Player's Guide. :)
Whaaa? The Vale guards are just Tomb Guardians? That is kinda simply put. I thought there was something more. Kuje, thanks for the info.  |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Oct 2006 : 18:18:15
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Originally posted by Wandering_mage
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Originally posted by Kuje
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Originally posted by Wandering_mage
I remember that part but I kinda am more interested in what a moon knight is, what a Evereskan Vale Guard is, etc. Thanks for the info though.
The Evereska Tomb Guard is detailed in the Player's Guide. :)
Whaaa? The Vale guards are just Tomb Guardians? That is kinda simply put. I thought there was something more. Kuje, thanks for the info.
Er, they might be. :) I was just pointing out that that prestige class was in that book. |
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Marc
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 27 Oct 2006 : 20:32:01
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Originally posted by Kuje
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Originally posted by Wandering_mage
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Originally posted by Kuje
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Originally posted by Wandering_mage
I remember that part but I kinda am more interested in what a moon knight is, what a Evereskan Vale Guard is, etc. Thanks for the info though.
The Evereska Tomb Guard is detailed in the Player's Guide. :)
Whaaa? The Vale guards are just Tomb Guardians? That is kinda simply put. I thought there was something more. Kuje, thanks for the info.
Er, they might be. :) I was just pointing out that that prestige class was in that book.
I think it's unlikely, Tomb Guards have their own duties (hence the Sacred Duty ability) and are dedicated to surrounding sacred sites. Vale Guards are Evereskan standard military and they are not ''heavy'' - concerning armor |
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Dungeon Moron
Acolyte
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Posted - 27 Oct 2006 : 22:29:16
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I don't think that the Evereskan Infantry mentioned in the Last Mythal are a band of Tomb Guardians. There might be some, but the two are too different in my opinion. Especially since the Evereskan infantry was dubbed the greatest in the entire Elven army and the Tomb Guardians have different objectives than obtaining some level of mastery in warfare leads me to this conclusion.
I did wonder why that infantry was the best in the Crusade.
Was it because they had survived and gained experience in the Phaerimm assault? Are they trained that much better than on Evermeet? Cause I would have expected more quality from forces coming from Evermeet, even infantry |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Oct 2006 : 22:37:38
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The response that Rich gave to Wandering Mage in his thread here at the keep:
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RE: The Evereskans. I think you're right, they're archers and medium infantry. I think just about every elf in a elf army carries a bow. That said, the Vale Guard are probably the heaviest footsoldiers you'll see in an elf army. They're definitely swordsmen first and archers second. And they are also highly, highly experienced after the gruesome struggle against the phaerimm. I think that well-organized elven armies are probably the best "combined arms" forces in the world, using magic, archery, cavalry, and infantry quite skillfully to cut enemy armies to ribbons. Sort of like the early Byzantines that way, I guess.
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Wandering_mage
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 28 Oct 2006 : 00:06:04
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| Awesome.....That is what I was looking for. Thanks Knight! Anymore info on the Elven Knight orders? Or are they all in the champions of Valor book? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 28 Oct 2006 : 01:14:57
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Originally posted by Wandering_mage
Awesome.....That is what I was looking for. Thanks Knight! Anymore info on the Elven Knight orders? Or are they all in the champions of Valor book?
Demihuman Deities has some brief details about particular elven knightly orders dedicated to particular members of the Seldarine.
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Dungeon Moron
Acolyte
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Posted - 18 May 2007 : 11:44:16
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Rummaging through the deep depths of this library I re-read this scroll and asked myself the following.
I am about to start a campaign in Evermeet and Elven communities on Fearun. Thanks to Evermeet- Isle of Elves and the Last Mythal trilogy I want to include a portion of these events in my campaign.
What I am looking for is the follwing:
Are the military ranks used in Myth Drannor still used in Elven armies present day? I did not find any reference to this in both sources. They just used the types of troops mentioned in this scroll.
Is there still some form of hierarchy in the elven military?
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Dungeon Moron
Acolyte
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Posted - 18 May 2007 : 12:13:21
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When referring to Myth Drannor I'm talking about titles like: akh'velahrn and such.
Just so you know what I'm talking about |
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Marquant Volker
Learned Scribe
Greece
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Posted - 21 May 2007 : 00:43:12
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Actually im getting the feeling that Wotc isnt giving away much information about armies and units nor extended descriptions for battles fought (you know challenges, formations heroes etc.). I bought Heroes of Battle but still there the units presented are few, mostly made as examples, i must admit i had the hope for somekind of massive combat rules in that book (something like a simple wargame) but there was nothing like it
I believe this is made in purpose, for DnD is a character/story oriented game and not a wargame. |
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Valaxaxath
Acolyte
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Posted - 21 May 2007 : 00:58:40
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| until their plans to make the came more mini-centric comes about.... |
When you're not regular, eat an elf! They're full of fiber. |
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Dungeon Moron
Acolyte
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Posted - 21 May 2007 : 17:28:28
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| If nobody knows this, perhaps this is a question for Mrs Cunningham? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 21 May 2007 : 17:59:09
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If nobody knows this, perhaps this is a question for Mrs Cunningham?
Rich Baker -- the author of the books -- would be a better question to ask. Elaine was not involved in the trilogy, and tends to avoid speculation. |
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