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TomCosta
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
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 Posted - 27 Oct 2006 : 21:32:09
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| Very cool ideas everyone. For what its worth, Gray, I worked up the dismiss nature's ally spell because there was a dismiss nature elemental spell in 2E, but that seemed far too limited and I thought druids needed some sort of dismissal spell. I figured that elementals were too small of group to make it terribly useful, so thought I'd hint at Faerie or the Backroads/Crossroads and add in the fey. Glad to see it helped spark some ideas. |
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Thangorn
Seeker
New Zealand
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Posted - 28 Oct 2006 : 00:31:12
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Excellent ideas there everyone. I particularly like your explanation there Knight Errant, with one exception...
I had assumed that the Star Elves would be spelljamming refugees from either Tintageer or some other world or explorers who had descended to find their "promised land" in Yuirwood.
other than that. That is exactly how I percieved it, thanks for sharing your sagely Faerunian understandings.
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FR_Junkie
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 07 Nov 2006 : 22:13:11
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Originally posted by Gray Richardson
One thing I am curious about is the crossroads guardians. I wonder if they are some kind of elemental (maybe one of the Nature Elementals from Realms Bestiary v.2) or a fey who volunteers to bind himself to the crossroads on the Faerie side, or some other kind of spirit? Or maybe they are actually living fey who watch these crossroads in shifts, perhaps a whole clan of fey on the Faerie side sponsors a particular crossroads and accepts responsibility to make sure that it is manned with a guardian 24 hours a day, but rotating them in shifts. Surely there is some interesting lore there to tell about how the guardians came to be.
maybe the guardians are bound in service by higher powers in the faerie realm, or maybe its a for-life job for them. perhaps they were tricked into service and accepted their lot in life......which could also lead to an interesting adventure hook if they are in turn allowed to trick others into taking over their job.
I like to think there's some rhyme or reason to it all, but the rules of it shouldn't make sense to those who aren't fey.... due to their inherent chaotic nature. and if anyone ever guesses "the rules," any given fey should be able to change the rules (as they apply to outsiders) on a whim. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
11808 Posts |
Posted - 12 Nov 2006 : 09:32:52
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| Very nicely developed concept. I like the whole spirit world being different in Faerun versus Kara-tur concept, then KEJR's expansion onto it makes a lot of sense. The idea that the Star Elves were trying to recreate the magic that the original elves had used to make Faerie however is extremely intriguing (especially considering that the Yuirwood also has strong ties to the Seelie/Unseelie Court). |
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ShadowJack
Senior Scribe
USA
350 Posts |
Posted - 14 Nov 2006 : 17:11:18
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Sleyvas,
What ties does the Seelie/Unseelie Court have with the Yuirwood? It makes sense that there would be ties but I have seen no "official" data on it... |
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Sian
Senior Scribe
Denmark
596 Posts |
Posted - 14 Nov 2006 : 17:13:21
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| anyhow ... something i've wondered about for quite some time ... where can you find the Star Elf racicals? |
what happened to the queen? she's much more hysterical than usual
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ShadowJack
Senior Scribe
USA
350 Posts |
Posted - 14 Nov 2006 : 17:40:35
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| Star Elf stats can be found in Races of Faerun. |
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Sian
Senior Scribe
Denmark
596 Posts |
Posted - 14 Nov 2006 : 17:58:40
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hmm ... where ... i can find
Aquatic,
Averial,
Drow,
Moon,
Sun
Wild
Wood ...
but no Star elf |
what happened to the queen? she's much more hysterical than usual
She's a women, it happens once a month |
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
Canada
956 Posts |
Posted - 14 Nov 2006 : 18:01:08
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| no, star elves are in the Unapproachable East |
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ShadowJack
Senior Scribe
USA
350 Posts |
Posted - 14 Nov 2006 : 20:15:18
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| My apologies... I have both tomes and got confused as they are not with at the moment. I will not be so quick to answer in the future without my resources to hand... |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
11808 Posts |
Posted - 15 Nov 2006 : 20:49:03
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>>Sleyvas, What ties does the Seelie/Unseelie Court have with the Yuirwood? It makes sense >>that there would be ties but I have seen no "official" data on it...
2nd edition Spellbound Monstrous compendium introduces the seelie and unseelie sprites. It explicitly states that they are found in the yuirwood and live in little demiplanes attached to the Yuirwood. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 15 Nov 2006 : 21:50:27
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Originally posted by sleyvas
>>Sleyvas, What ties does the Seelie/Unseelie Court have with the Yuirwood? It makes sense >>that there would be ties but I have seen no "official" data on it...
2nd edition Spellbound Monstrous compendium introduces the seelie and unseelie sprites. It explicitly states that they are found in the yuirwood and live in little demiplanes attached to the Yuirwood.
And they were updated to 3.5 in the Realms Bestiary, Volume 2, by Eric L. Boyd and Thomas M. Costa. Both volumes are available from that link, and are very worthy resources. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 16 Nov 2006 : 01:19:16
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Originally posted by sleyvas
>>Sleyvas, What ties does the Seelie/Unseelie Court have with the Yuirwood? It makes sense >>that there would be ties but I have seen no "official" data on it...
2nd edition Spellbound Monstrous compendium introduces the seelie and unseelie sprites. It explicitly states that they are found in the yuirwood and live in little demiplanes attached to the Yuirwood.
The "Aglarond" section of Spellbound also hints at this in a few places.
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ShadowJack
Senior Scribe
USA
350 Posts |
Posted - 16 Nov 2006 : 12:36:53
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| Thznks all for the info. I do not have Spellbound, but I have downloaded the Realm's Bestiary. I will check them out today. |
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Gray Richardson
Master of Realmslore
USA
1291 Posts |
Posted - 29 Nov 2006 : 08:56:30
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Tom, in your Realms Bestiary II, under Nature Elemental, you have the spell Dismiss Nature's Ally which, among other things "also allows you to force fey native to the Material Plane to Faerie, the extraplanar home of the fey (evil fey are affected, but do not seem to end up in Faerie; where they end up remains a mystery), despite the fact that fey are not extraplanar creatures."
Well, ever since you mentioned that, I have been thinking about it, and it just occured to me that the plane of Fury's Heart would make a great home for the Queen of Air & Darkness and her Unseelie court.
In 2e her realm was found in Pandemonium, but for 3E, Fury's Heart works great for several reasons. This is the plane of Nature's Wrath. It is a plane of evil nature deities and of corrupted nature itself. The plane was likely once a part of the House of Nature and split off during or soon after the War of Light & Darkness between Shar and Selune. It is a very appropriate place for evil fey to hang out.
Another good candidate might be Deep Caverns, which in some ways is more like the plane of Pandemonium physically. But I am not sure that the QoA&D was ever associated with exclusively underground fey, so not sure that it would be the best fit. I see it only as a second runner up to Fury's Heart.
I think the plane of Fury's Heart would make an excellent home base for the evil fey court, and a good place for evil fey to get banished to when you cast the spell Dismiss Nature's Ally. |
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ShadowJack
Senior Scribe
USA
350 Posts |
Posted - 29 Nov 2006 : 23:41:02
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Gray,
Sounds good. Here is my question; how does this work with Between as discussed in Faeries by Bryon Wischstadt? I thought that Between was the domain of the Unseelie court? It has been awhile since I picked up that tome... Many sources make reference to the strife between the Seelie and Unseelie courts. Where would this fighting take place? On the prime material planes, in Between, Fury's heart or in Faerie? |
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Gray Richardson
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 30 Nov 2006 : 13:29:40
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That's a great question, and it sent me back to Bryon's book to read up on the Between. In Bryon's version of Faerie, the Between is a little like Faerieland's version of the old Border Ethereal, it's some kind of bridge between the Material Plane and Faerie. It has the feel of a transitive plane. It is a dark land of eternal night. It feels strongly like a version of the Shadow Plane.
I can think of several ways to incorporate the Between into the Realms cosmology.
1) Faerie could now have 2 layers, the first layer is the Between, it is a very thin layer, and it is the layer you arrive on when you make the transition from the Material. You have to pass through the layer in order to get to the 2nd layer beneath which is the layer that everyone more traditionally thinks of as Faerie.
2) The Between could also be a special transitive demiplane that bridges the Material and Faerie.
3) The Between may actually lie in the plane of Shadow. I could see a chain of events in the past where the Queen of Air & Darkness shunted the lands she controlled into the plane of Shadow, still strongly connected to Faerie, but also firmly entrenched in the Shadow Plane. The Between may actually be the "Shadow" of Faerie (I kinda like that image). As the plane of Faerie lost many of its direct ties and close connections to the Material Plane, the Between became more important as a route into Faerie as it became easier to simply shadow walk into the Between and from there transition to Faerie. The Between may thus have become an important access point into Faerie as it provides a shadow bridge into Faerie proper.
Of course, if any of that is true then the Unseelie court would be found in the Between and not lie in the plane of Fury's Heart.
By the way, I also found a lot of information in Bryon's book about fey crossroads and backroads that is very interesting.
I wonder if Bryon himself ever vists these boards? It would be mighty nifty to have some of his insight into this.  |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 05:41:20
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You know, taking into account the Between, I thought that this would be an interesting take on the Crossroads Guardians in regards to the crossroads and backroads. If the Between were the region of the Unseelie, you could ascribe the "nastier" effects of the Plane of Faerie, as described in the Manual of the Planes, to that section of the plane.
On top of that, the crossroads and backroads could actually be a sort of "balancing point" between the Between and the more benign Faerie proper. I know, even though the trip was nearly instantaneous, I always roleplayed out those few steps and made allusions to the fact that if anyone traveling a crossroad stepped off the path, very bad things could happen.
On top of that, if the fey themselves use crossroads, and the crossroads skirt the line between the Between and Faerie proper, it could be that the Crossroads Guardians are actually there to protect the fey using the crossroads from any Unselee fey that might cause problems or slip onto the path from the Between, and this would also explain why non-fey using the crossroads have to convince the guardians to let them by . . . they are not guarding the crossroads just to do so, but specifically for the fey that use the crossroads, so they are under no real compunction to allow anyone else to pass.
Also, Eric, if you read this thread again, those references to Crossroads and Backroads wouldn't be the background material that you put into the World Serpent Inn article in the last issue of Dragon would it? I noticed some familiar fey terminology when you were discussing the waitstaff, as well as your neat tie in with the World Serpent concept from Serpent Kingdoms as it relates to other worlds and serpent deities. |
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ShadowJack
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 16:44:59
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| Wow! I am going to have to print off this thread and keep this as part of MY "official" Realms-lore on the Fey and Faerie. What a great adventure to have your characters using the Crossroads and traversing to Faerie... Maybe to rescue a child that has been taken by a chaotic and whimsical Fey... This is one of the ideas that Wischstadt touches on in his book. Great ideas everyone! I will have to get that issue of Dragon for the World Serpent lore... |
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Sian
Senior Scribe
Denmark
596 Posts |
Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 17:00:32
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| are there a fey pantheon (updated to 3 or 3.5E), what gods are there and what domains do they have and such ... basicly ... is there anywhere to find that? |
what happened to the queen? she's much more hysterical than usual
She's a women, it happens once a month |
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ShadowJack
Senior Scribe
USA
350 Posts |
Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 20:21:01
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| I believe this subject was recently discussed in another thread... There was some really good info in it. I believe that it was decided that the fey revere Titania and Oberron... I am sure some goodly sage will wander by and whack me with his staff for MY in-attention and lack of recall and point you to the correct tome... My head is hurtin' already... |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 23:28:39
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Originally posted by ShadowJack
I believe this subject was recently discussed in another thread... There was some really good info in it. I believe that it was decided that the fey revere Titania and Oberron... I am sure some goodly sage will wander by and whack me with his staff for MY in-attention and lack of recall and point you to the correct tome... My head is hurtin' already...
Indeed.
As I noted above... Consider yourself whacked by a goodly Sage, Shadowjack. 
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Sian
Senior Scribe
Denmark
596 Posts |
Posted - 21 Dec 2006 : 07:09:49
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| problem with that Sage is that i looked though Monster myth ... and there weren't as far as i could see any domains ... there was the gods but not the domains |
what happened to the queen? she's much more hysterical than usual
She's a women, it happens once a month |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 21 Dec 2006 : 10:58:27
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Aye.
And if you look over the scroll I provided the URL for earlier, you'll see that I named two other sources for the domains pertaining to the Seelie and Unseelie courts -- namely On Hallowed Ground and the "Gods List" PDF at planewalker.com.
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 Dec 2006 : 16:11:16
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problem with that Sage is that i looked though Monster myth ... and there weren't as far as i could see any domains ... there was the gods but not the domains
Well, there would be no domains listed in 1e and 2e material since domains is a 3/3.5e invention. Only portfolios were listed in the old material and priest spheres, which were added to domains, in some cases. |
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Sian
Senior Scribe
Denmark
596 Posts |
Posted - 21 Dec 2006 : 16:20:51
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| hmm ... okay then ... is seelie court updated to 3e/3.5e or should i sit known and give out domains myself? |
what happened to the queen? she's much more hysterical than usual
She's a women, it happens once a month |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 Dec 2006 : 16:30:59
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Originally posted by Sian
hmm ... okay then ... is seelie court updated to 3e/3.5e or should i sit known and give out domains myself?
The courts haven't been officially updated as far as I know.... |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 21 Dec 2006 : 23:26:11
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Originally posted by Kuje
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Originally posted by Sian
problem with that Sage is that i looked though Monster myth ... and there weren't as far as i could see any domains ... there was the gods but not the domains
Well, there would be no domains listed in 1e and 2e material since domains is a 3/3.5e invention. Only portfolios were listed in the old material and priest spheres, which were added to domains, in some cases.
Aye.
Sian, the portfolios were what I was referring to, that were detailed in On Hallowed Ground. If the Seelie and Unseelie Courts were to receive an official update in the Realmslore, it's likely these older portfolios would receive some focus in 3e material.
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The Sage
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Posted - 21 Dec 2006 : 23:26:41
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Originally posted by Sian
hmm ... okay then ... is seelie court updated to 3e/3.5e or should i sit known and give out domains myself?
We have references to the Seelie and Unseelie in 3e, though no specific update... as I said in the scroll I linked to above.
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Faerie in relation to Abeir-Toril
