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Reefy
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 Posted - 24 Oct 2006 : 02:42:32
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Now this one might set the tressym amongst the pigeons, especially given I know some people here dislike the changes 3E made to the map, but I have a question regarding the scale of maps. Specifically I'm talking about the poster map that came with the FRCS and the two more detailed regional maps within (the Heartlands p.117 and the North p.174). The scales on the two maps just don't collaborate at all. For example, on the poster map, the Stonelands measure about 120 miles in length, yet on the detail map they measure only about half that. I can forgive small discrepencies, but for one scale to be consistently about twice that of the other seems way out. Is the scale on one or the other of them wrong? I found another map on the Wizards site (a more detailed map of the Dalelands) where the scale seemed to match the poster map fairly closely.
I only noticed because my players are travelling on a long journey from Dagger Falls to Silverymoon, so I was initially using the detail map, before having to use the poster map for the regions I don't have the detail for. On the detail map, it took them seven days or so to make it to the western edge of the Stonelands, but had I been working solely from the poster map, it would have taken roughly twice as long. Does anyone know anything about this or have any suggestions? Help would be much appreciated.
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Kentinal
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Posted - 24 Oct 2006 : 03:38:43
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Call it another edit error and reset the scale of one of the maps. |
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Delzounblood
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Posted - 24 Oct 2006 : 09:28:59
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Reefy
I would use the good old and trusted DM Knows best here.
I do not stick strictly to every single detail that Wotc state, rarther I use bits of cannon I deem relevant to what I'm doing at the time. Re maps I would say use the detailed maps to scale and the broader area maps as a general idea of the lay of the land! Consider them bought from a dodgy Calishite trader!
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Reefy
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Posted - 24 Oct 2006 : 14:59:08
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| Thanks for the help. Ok, if I phrase the question another way: how long do you think it should take to travel from Dagger Falls to Silverymoon (going on horse by main roads and assuming weather and other obstacles don't get in the way)? The route is south through the Dales to Tilverton, west through the Stonelands until around Darkhold, then follow the road northwest to Waterdeep, and from there northeast to Silverymoon. Using one scale I estimate it to take about thirty days, using the other about twice that. Which would you say is the more realistic figure, based on your own gut instinct, other sources you can think of that may mention travelling large distances across the Realms etc. |
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Kalin Agrivar
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Posted - 24 Oct 2006 : 15:03:20
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Originally posted by Reefy
Thanks for the help. Ok, if I phrase the question another way: how long do you think it should take to travel from Dagger Falls to Silverymoon (going on horse by main roads and assuming weather and other obstacles don't get in the way)? The route is south through the Dales to Tilverton, west through the Stonelands until around Darkhold, then follow the road northwest to Waterdeep, and from there northeast to Silverymoon. Using one scale I estimate it to take about thirty days, using the other about twice that. Which would you say is the more realistic figure, based on your own gut instinct, other sources you can think of that may mention travelling large distances across the Realms etc.
what overland travel rules do you use? the 2E ones from the "black box" or the 3E ones? |
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Reefy
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Posted - 24 Oct 2006 : 15:08:33
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Originally posted by Kalin Agrivar
what overland travel rules do you use? the 2E ones from the "black box" or the 3E ones?
3E ones from the PHB. |
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Kalin Agrivar
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Posted - 24 Oct 2006 : 15:17:11
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quote:
Originally posted by Reefy
Thanks for the help. Ok, if I phrase the question another way: how long do you think it should take to travel from Dagger Falls to Silverymoon (going on horse by main roads and assuming weather and other obstacles don't get in the way)? The route is south through the Dales to Tilverton, west through the Stonelands until around Darkhold, then follow the road northwest to Waterdeep, and from there northeast to Silverymoon. Using one scale I estimate it to take about thirty days, using the other about twice that. Which would you say is the more realistic figure, based on your own gut instinct, other sources you can think of that may mention travelling large distances across the Realms etc.
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3E ones from the PHB.
ahh, I still use the old 2E rules..but the 3E seems more simplified...
I would say at least two months..and that is just with the weather alone...not counting encounters...
to speed the journey I also would also not go through the Stonelands/Goblin Marches (that is just a death trap plus Darkhold plus Serpentes [thats the serpent kingdom right?]) but go
Tilverton-Arabal-Highhorn-Iriabor(sp?)-Elturel-Daggerford-Waterdeep-Silverymoon
don't underestimate the speed of travelling on a road...even in real life the shortest route in distance is often the longest one in time..
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Delzounblood
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Posted - 24 Oct 2006 : 17:05:17
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I would say a good two - two and a half months.
and I fully agree with Kalin on the route to use. |
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Silvanus79
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Posted - 24 Oct 2006 : 18:18:10
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| I would definitely agree with the at least 2 months. I use the huge map of the Realms that was published a while back in Dragon. The 4-part map! It usually hangs on my wall, but I just moved and haven't found a place for it yet... It just takes a walk across the room and a ruler, and BAM!!! Instant mileage. Also, the old Realms Atlas for the computer had a mileage calculator. |
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Reefy
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Posted - 25 Oct 2006 : 00:51:57
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| Thanks guys, I think I'll use the large map scale. As for route, I'm DM so that doesn't bother me as it's my players that choose it. At least they didn't go across Anauroch... They've already met a copper dragon in the Stonelands, so if they weren't already aware of how dangerous it could be they certainly are now. |
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Sanishiver
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Posted - 25 Oct 2006 : 03:08:19
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The scale on the published pages in question are in error.
IIRC Each 1/4" 'marker' (dark, white, dark, white) is 20 miles. Thus 1" on those maps is 80 miles.
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Reefy
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Posted - 26 Oct 2006 : 00:36:31
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Originally posted by Sanishiver
The scale on the published pages in question are in error.
IIRC Each 1/4" 'marker' (dark, white, dark, white) is 20 miles. Thus 1" on those maps is 80 miles.
J. Grenemyer
Thanks, that's the conclusion I'd come to.  |
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