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Lemernis
Senior Scribe
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 Posted - 14 Oct 2006 : 14:26:08
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In the Baldur's Gate game there's a creature called a 'Battle Hororr' which near as I can tell was invented for the game, but seems likely inspired by a PnP source.
'Battle Horrors' carry a flaming sword (via the Flame Blade spell?), which IIRC disappears when you cast Dispel Magic. I can't quite recall all the specifics, but possibly other magic protections such as Blur might be stripped from Battle Horrors by Dispel Magic as well. In contrast, the game's Helmed Horrors appear as disembodied 'suits of armor', i.e., a helmet, shield, and flail, and are not affected by Dispel Magic.
Would you think these Battle Horrors are inspired by 2nd edition AD&D's Death Knight? Or might they be a version of Helmed Horror (which are featured in several of Ed Greenwood's novels prior to release of the Baldur's Gate game, even if they are not found in the AD&D Monstrous Manual).
The Helmed Horror is basically a guardian construct made from animating suits of armour with a malevolent spirit and setting them to guard things.
The Death Knight is an animated corpse of a dishonoured and fallen paladin that fell doing particular fell acts, who is typically equipped with a magical sword.
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Edited by - Lemernis on 14 Oct 2006 15:02:24
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Oct 2006 : 15:49:59
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Battle horrors are modified helmed horrors that first appeared in FA1 Halls of the High King. The flaming sword isn't a characteristic of them.
It's an automaton, nothing like a death knight which is a reanimated person. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Aglaranna
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 02 Nov 2006 : 00:13:52
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| Unfortunately, I am no expert in this matter. I can quote the lines of the NPCs--which, sparing you, I will not do at the moment, I promise--but all I know about the creatures are that if you don't kill them, they'll kill you, so hop to it! Also, Xvarts never carry silver rings, but I don't think you needed to know that, so I won't mention it again. |
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In some celestial voice
If you choose not to decide
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You can choose from phantom fears
And kindness that can kill
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
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Posted - 02 Nov 2006 : 08:08:58
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Originally posted by Aglaranna
Unfortunately, I am no expert in this matter. I can quote the lines of the NPCs--which, sparing you, I will not do at the moment, I promise--but all I know about the creatures are that if you don't kill them, they'll kill you, so hop to it! Also, Xvarts never carry silver rings, but I don't think you needed to know that, so I won't mention it again.
*chuckles* I haven't played the original BG in ages and unless I get an English version again I will not do so... the German dubbing frightens me  |
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 02 Nov 2006 : 13:55:56
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Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand
*chuckles* I haven't played the original BG in ages and unless I get an English version again I will not do so... the German dubbing frightens me
alot of things dubbed in german is frightening    |
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Aglaranna
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 04 Nov 2006 : 21:58:45
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| *giggles* I'm not going to comment on that, I don't think... |
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In some celestial voice
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You still have made a choice
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 10 Nov 2006 : 01:32:12
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As a player in Ed's "home" Realms campaign, my principal character faced and fought battle horrors almost a decade before any Neverwinter Nights game (or for that matter, the computer company that created those games) existed.
They are indeed more powerful variants of Helmed Horrors (and of course, Ed created both; not to mention Neverwinter, and even the name "Neverwinter Nights," which referred to a racy "talk of the town" chapbook circulated in Neverwinter. I recall Ed telling us about Jeff Grubb phoning him and asking if he minded a computer company "borrowing" the name.)
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 10 Nov 2006 : 01:40:58
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
As a player in Ed's "home" Realms campaign, my principal character faced and fought battle horrors almost a decade before any Neverwinter Nights game (or for that matter, the computer company that created those games) existed.
They are indeed more powerful variants of Helmed Horrors (and of course, Ed created both; not to mention Neverwinter, and even the name "Neverwinter Nights," which referred to a racy "talk of the town" chapbook circulated in Neverwinter. I recall Ed telling us about Jeff Grubb phoning him and asking if he minded a computer company "borrowing" the name.)
love,
Who would have thought! That's quite funny.
THO
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Baldur's Gate's 'Battle Horrors'
