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Mace Hammerhand
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Posted - 12 Oct 2006 :  21:49:22  Show Profile  Visit Mace Hammerhand's Homepage Send Mace Hammerhand a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The reason I asked whether you own the core rules or not is this: there are no real stats for ruby sprinkled gold dragons, so you would have to make them up... just stay away from the metallic-green and stuff like that cuz it would look way too much like color scemes for cars.

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Kalin Agrivar
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Posted - 12 Oct 2006 :  21:55:11  Show Profile  Visit Kalin Agrivar's Homepage Send Kalin Agrivar a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I was wondering if he wanted someone to tell him the abilities of a metalic/chromatic hybrid or the abilities of every listed dragon in general?

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EytanBernstein
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Posted - 12 Oct 2006 :  22:07:45  Show Profile  Visit EytanBernstein's Homepage Send EytanBernstein a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand

The reason I asked whether you own the core rules or not is this: there are no real stats for ruby sprinkled gold dragons, so you would have to make them up... just stay away from the metallic-green and stuff like that cuz it would look way too much like color scemes for cars.



Now I have to scrap my web enhancement and write one about the shiny new models of hybrid dragons. I quite like the 1374 Metallic Green Volvo Dragon Model. It comes fully equipped with cones of acidic fire and power saddles.

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Mace Hammerhand
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Posted - 12 Oct 2006 :  22:19:39  Show Profile  Visit Mace Hammerhand's Homepage Send Mace Hammerhand a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by EytanBernstein

quote:
Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand

The reason I asked whether you own the core rules or not is this: there are no real stats for ruby sprinkled gold dragons, so you would have to make them up... just stay away from the metallic-green and stuff like that cuz it would look way too much like color scemes for cars.



Now I have to scrap my web enhancement and write one about the shiny new models of hybrid dragons. I quite like the 1374 Metallic Green Volvo Dragon Model. It comes fully equipped with cones of acidic fire and power saddles.



ROFL, thanks Eytan, that just made my day...err night...well something anyway!

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shadowni87
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Posted - 12 Oct 2006 :  23:54:20  Show Profile  Visit shadowni87's Homepage Send shadowni87 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
would there be a standerd "equation" for finding out the hybrids abilities??? btw i wouldnt mind having a silver/green mustang...

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warlockco
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Posted - 13 Oct 2006 :  00:06:36  Show Profile  Visit warlockco's Homepage Send warlockco a Private Message  Reply with Quote
There is no standard formula for determination of the abilities of a hybrid.
For the most part, each and every hybrid will be a very unique creature.

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shadowni87
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Posted - 13 Oct 2006 :  00:34:35  Show Profile  Visit shadowni87's Homepage Send shadowni87 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
so pretty much...make it up according to what you think it should be???

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warlockco
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Posted - 13 Oct 2006 :  03:14:42  Show Profile  Visit warlockco's Homepage Send warlockco a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by shadowni87

so pretty much...make it up according to what you think it should be???



For the most part, as long as it makes sense.

For example a Blue/Red Hybrid, one can give it a line or cone of electrically charged fire which would do half damage as fire and half as electricity.

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Beirnadri Magranth
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Posted - 13 Oct 2006 :  05:16:44  Show Profile  Visit Beirnadri Magranth's Homepage Send Beirnadri Magranth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hence this post:

quote:
Originally posted by Beirnadri Magranth

There are no clear rules dictating the effects of each of these hypothetical scenarios. You and your DM should decide how to handle such an event on a case by case basis using the ideas you have about the motives of dragons the principles of magic and the biology of fantasy creatures.


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shadowni87
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Posted - 13 Oct 2006 :  06:52:58  Show Profile  Visit shadowni87's Homepage Send shadowni87 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
thanks that actually makes alot of sense

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shadowni87
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Posted - 13 Oct 2006 :  10:05:29  Show Profile  Visit shadowni87's Homepage Send shadowni87 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
what is a "drow-dragon"???

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Mace Hammerhand
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Posted - 13 Oct 2006 :  10:12:06  Show Profile  Visit Mace Hammerhand's Homepage Send Mace Hammerhand a Private Message  Reply with Quote
half drow half dragon...that's what happens when you screw with the wrong person...

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shadowni87
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Posted - 13 Oct 2006 :  10:14:23  Show Profile  Visit shadowni87's Homepage Send shadowni87 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
what book is that in???...so i dont ask a stupid question

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Mace Hammerhand
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Posted - 13 Oct 2006 :  10:17:59  Show Profile  Visit Mace Hammerhand's Homepage Send Mace Hammerhand a Private Message  Reply with Quote
a character from WotSQ was a drow half shadow dragon...also the Draconomicon 3.5e should have some info on half dragons

Also there is some info in Unearthed Arcana, not sure if it is relevant...

And do me a favor...don't use three "?" for every question, aside from the way a question is worded one questionmark is a very good indicator on that you asked something.

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shadowni87
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Posted - 13 Oct 2006 :  10:21:17  Show Profile  Visit shadowni87's Homepage Send shadowni87 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
sorry, force of habbit. ill try not to do it agian

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Mace Hammerhand
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Posted - 13 Oct 2006 :  12:25:47  Show Profile  Visit Mace Hammerhand's Homepage Send Mace Hammerhand a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I repeat a suggestion that several mods have already made:

learn, read, and then ask...some issues, especially when they concern OOP material, can be asked here, but rules-questions, and dragon blending is a rules question, should be asked after you know the rules. From what I have read of your comments so far, your only read experience with the Realms seems to be computer games.

There's no shame in that since I was the same way until I decided to run a Realms game. After that it took me about 2 or 3 years until I had read a ton of stuff. Admittedly, I don't like encyclopedias, hence I mainly read novels and expanded that knowledge with the supplements/sourcebooks. Thankfully by that time, when I really starte´d to run the game, I already had 15 years of roleplaying experience/DMing under my belt. Still, you should know the game and the world before you ask any questions.

Questions are always welcome, but if the answer is "see the FRCS or any other supplement" most of the time you might wanna think about doing that.

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Beirnadri Magranth
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Posted - 13 Oct 2006 :  16:18:13  Show Profile  Visit Beirnadri Magranth's Homepage Send Beirnadri Magranth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Drow-Dragons are a relatively new edition to D&D i believe. I think they are uniquely Faerunian. They are described in depth in Dragons of Faerun.

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Kalin Agrivar
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Posted - 13 Oct 2006 :  16:21:31  Show Profile  Visit Kalin Agrivar's Homepage Send Kalin Agrivar a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Beirnadri Magranth

Drow-Dragons are a relatively new edition to D&D i believe. I think they are uniquely Faerunian. They are described in depth in Dragons of Faerun.



I think the first time the drow-dragon was mentioned was in that old (2e) Dragon article that expanded the number of half-dragons beyond the Council of Wyrms box set..but those drow-dragons were deep dragons/drow...not shadow dragons/drow

but the first "real" drow-dragon I think is the one in Ed Greenwoods Wyrms of the North articles

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by kalin agrivar

quote:
Originally posted by Beirnadri Magranth

Drow-Dragons are a relatively new edition to D&D i believe. I think they are uniquely Faerunian. They are described in depth in Dragons of Faerun.



I think the first time the drow-dragon was mentioned was in that old (2e) Dragon article that expanded the number of half-dragons beyond the Council of Wyrms box set..but those drow-dragons were deep dragons/drow...not shadow dragons/drow

but the first "real" drow-dragon I think is the one in Ed Greenwoods Wyrms of the North articles



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Mace Hammerhand
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Posted - 13 Oct 2006 :  18:46:29  Show Profile  Visit Mace Hammerhand's Homepage Send Mace Hammerhand a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by warlockco

quote:
Originally posted by shadowni87

so pretty much...make it up according to what you think it should be???



For the most part, as long as it makes sense.

For example a Blue/Red Hybrid, one can give it a line or cone of electrically charged fire which would do half damage as fire and half as electricity.



Blue red is a purple dragon...see dragon #248

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EytanBernstein
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Posted - 13 Oct 2006 :  20:43:36  Show Profile  Visit EytanBernstein's Homepage Send EytanBernstein a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand

quote:
Originally posted by EytanBernstein

quote:
Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand

The reason I asked whether you own the core rules or not is this: there are no real stats for ruby sprinkled gold dragons, so you would have to make them up... just stay away from the metallic-green and stuff like that cuz it would look way too much like color scemes for cars.



Now I have to scrap my web enhancement and write one about the shiny new models of hybrid dragons. I quite like the 1374 Metallic Green Volvo Dragon Model. It comes fully equipped with cones of acidic fire and power saddles.



ROFL, thanks Eytan, that just made my day...err night...well something anyway!



You're quite welcome.

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shadowni87
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Posted - 14 Oct 2006 :  06:51:52  Show Profile  Visit shadowni87's Homepage Send shadowni87 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by EytanBernstein

quote:
Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand

The reason I asked whether you own the core rules or not is this: there are no real stats for ruby sprinkled gold dragons, so you would have to make them up... just stay away from the metallic-green and stuff like that cuz it would look way too much like color scemes for cars.



Now I have to scrap my web enhancement and write one about the shiny new models of hybrid dragons. I quite like the 1374 Metallic Green Volvo Dragon Model. It comes fully equipped with cones of acidic fire and power saddles.



dont you mean volo not volvo???

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EytanBernstein
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Posted - 14 Oct 2006 :  20:03:08  Show Profile  Visit EytanBernstein's Homepage Send EytanBernstein a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by shadowni87

quote:
Originally posted by EytanBernstein

quote:
Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand

The reason I asked whether you own the core rules or not is this: there are no real stats for ruby sprinkled gold dragons, so you would have to make them up... just stay away from the metallic-green and stuff like that cuz it would look way too much like color scemes for cars.



Now I have to scrap my web enhancement and write one about the shiny new models of hybrid dragons. I quite like the 1374 Metallic Green Volvo Dragon Model. It comes fully equipped with cones of acidic fire and power saddles.



dont you mean volo not volvo???



I didn't, but it works just as well.

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Mace Hammerhand
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Posted - 14 Oct 2006 :  20:25:13  Show Profile  Visit Mace Hammerhand's Homepage Send Mace Hammerhand a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by shadowni87

quote:
Originally posted by EytanBernstein

quote:
Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand

The reason I asked whether you own the core rules or not is this: there are no real stats for ruby sprinkled gold dragons, so you would have to make them up... just stay away from the metallic-green and stuff like that cuz it would look way too much like color scemes for cars.



Now I have to scrap my web enhancement and write one about the shiny new models of hybrid dragons. I quite like the 1374 Metallic Green Volvo Dragon Model. It comes fully equipped with cones of acidic fire and power saddles.



dont you mean volo not volvo???



*chuckles*

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shadowni87
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Posted - 15 Oct 2006 :  09:15:17  Show Profile  Visit shadowni87's Homepage Send shadowni87 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
[/quote]

dont you mean volo not volvo???
[/quote]

*chuckles*
[/quote]


i made a funny

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Kajehase
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quote:
Originally posted by EytanBernstein

quote:
Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand

The reason I asked whether you own the core rules or not is this: there are no real stats for ruby sprinkled gold dragons, so you would have to make them up... just stay away from the metallic-green and stuff like that cuz it would look way too much like color scemes for cars.



Now I have to scrap my web enhancement and write one about the shiny new models of hybrid dragons. I quite like the 1374 Metallic Green Volvo Dragon Model. It comes fully equipped with cones of acidic fire and power saddles.



Bah, everyone knows SAAB makes better dragons.
(Sorry for the off-topicness, but talking up SAAB is mandatory where I live, even the "let's all go everywhere by foot"-people do it).

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VonRaventheDaring
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Posted - 30 Oct 2006 :  17:05:01  Show Profile  Visit VonRaventheDaring's Homepage Send VonRaventheDaring a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Okay semi back on subject.
Does anyone remember the Ruby dragon created in a novel i want to say
War in Tethyr.

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by VonRaventheDaring

Okay semi back on subject.
Does anyone remember the Ruby dragon created in a novel i want to say
War in Tethyr.



I'm not familiar with the book (I gave up while reading it), but it is anything like The Legend of Sardior?

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Kalin Agrivar
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Posted - 30 Oct 2006 :  18:13:24  Show Profile  Visit Kalin Agrivar's Homepage Send Kalin Agrivar a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by VonRaventheDaring

Okay semi back on subject.
Does anyone remember the Ruby dragon created in a novel i want to say
War in Tethyr.



yes, I can't remember her parentage but she was some sort of unique hybrid...not a new species

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She's detailed in Heroes Lorebook (stats of an amethyst dragon) though in the novel she's described as a super-being, a human and a dragon at once, she was a dragon experiment, goal of the dragon was to create a dragon with human ability to multiply and expand

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