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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
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 Posted - 04 Oct 2006 : 18:25:19
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Hi, I'm taking this conversation out of Delzounblood's scroll on the orgins of dwarves...
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Originally posted by ericlboyd
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by kalin agrivar
I'v read that the designers/writers say there is Spelljamming in the Realsm still...
Spelljammers still exist in FR.
Both the FRCS and Rich Baker confirm that spelljamming still exists in the 3e FR cosmology. These are the earliest indications, with several more that followed in successive 3e FR sourcebooks.
In particular, you'll note how we try to dance around the subject in books like Serpent Kingdoms in the write-up of the Rethid Swamp (east of Halruaa). If you like SJ, we did not invalidate a previous reference (found in Gold & Glory). If you have no idea what SJ is, you can still use the Realmslore there.
--Eric
What about the court mage of Tethyr who lived in the Tears...that is an other 3E reference to Spelljammer in the Realms...There are also hints of spelljamming in the description of the Neogi in the Lords of Madness book
I am very glad that Spelljammer wasn't abandoned in 3E but after educating myself on the planar cosmology of the 3.0/3.5 Forgotten Realms I have often wondered about a few things:
1) is there an actual Realmsphere anymore? if you spelljammed past H'Catha would you reach the crystal sphere
2) can the different planets be travelled to via spelljamming? i.e. Toril to Oerth to Krynn, etc. The new planar cosmology makes it look like it wouldn't be possible (without ship sized gates a la Babylon 5 floating in space)
3) are their now different solar systems in the Realm's plane...thus more planets, races and gods...or the possibility of the eldest gods (Selune, shar, Mystra, etc.) actually having clergy on hundreds to thousands of worlds?
4) how are sphere-spanning organizations affected in the 3E conversion, like the Unhuman and Elven Imperial Fleet?
Thanks alot Eric 
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 04 Oct 2006 : 22:30:58
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| Me, I keep things easy by sticking to the old cosmology. It just works better, but that's my personal preference. |
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warlockco
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Posted - 05 Oct 2006 : 00:28:05
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Me, I keep things easy by sticking to the old cosmology. It just works better, but that's my personal preference.
Same here, but I twist the Tree to the Wheel.
Anyone with less than 20 ranks in Knowledge (The Planes) believes the Tree is the way the planes are, anyone with more than 20 ranks knows the truth, and that is the Wheel. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 05 Oct 2006 : 01:33:16
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I'm not Eric, but I'll take a shot at your questions...
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Originally posted by kalin agrivar
1) is there an actual Realmsphere anymore? if you spelljammed past H'Catha would you reach the crystal sphere
Yes, there is a Realmsphere. Aber-Toril is part of the Torilian/Realmspace crystal sphere.
Remember however that the 3e planar changes made the sphere of Realmspace into a infinite prime material plane.
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2) can the different planets be travelled to via spelljamming? i.e. Toril to Oerth to Krynn, etc. The new planar cosmology makes it look like it wouldn't be possible (without ship sized gates a la Babylon 5 floating in space)
We don't have any definitive lore about cross-setting travels regarding spelljmming as of yet. However, I still use the 2e cosmology, the Great Wheel, so the set-up of SJ in 2e still exists in my FR campaign.
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3) are their now different solar systems in the Realm's plane...thus more planets, races and gods...or the possibility of the eldest gods (Selune, shar, Mystra, etc.) actually having clergy on hundreds to thousands of worlds?
Well, since WotC have yet to declare otherwise, the other planets and Selune that have been said to have civilizations (from the Realmspace sourcebook) largely still, likely, exist in 3e FR as well.
As well, since we haven't learnt otherwise, we can still assume that the stars in Realmspace are actually portals to the Plane of Radiance, so says the Realmspace sourcebook.
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4) how are sphere-spanning organizations affected in the 3E conversion, like the Unhuman and Elven Imperial Fleet?
Again, this is something we don't have much Realmslore on. Though, the potential for Eric, or any of the other game designers, who are looking to drop any further references into future 3e Realmslore, still exists. However, given what Eric said above about trying to include SJ-ing lore for fans while not leaving non-SJ-fans in the dark, may suggest a limit to the overall amount of SJ-lore that can be dropped into 3e FR. In other words, not every FR fan, now, is familiar with SJ and not every FR fan is familiar with the elements of the Unhuman Wars and the IEN that have been dropped into previous editions of the Realmslore. The opportunity for game designers to use specific SJ references from 2e and from 2e FR in 3e FR will likely be somewat dictated by these facts.
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Jorkens
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 Oct 2006 : 08:30:21
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I have never been completely satisfied with either cosmology (well, the old one worked until Planescape, but that became to much for me personally) or everything in Spelljammer (the Elven armada and goblinoid genocide thing). I use parts of it, but cloud the whole thing in so much magic and mystery that the players ( or me actually) don't have a clear picture of how things work.
I have found this to make my life easier and it keeps me from tearing my hair out in frustration. It seems like most designers take the same attitude when it comes to Spelljammer, the hints are there, but how it all fits in to the larger picture is left unexplained. |
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Gray Richardson
Master of Realmslore
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
Canada
956 Posts |
Posted - 06 Oct 2006 : 13:37:28
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Originally posted by Gray Richardson
If I may recommend, there are two really good websites that have adapted spelljamming for 3E play.
Check out:
www.spelljammer.org
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www.shatteredfractine.com
thanks Gray...I didn't know about the second site |
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