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Marc
Senior Scribe
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 Posted - 02 Oct 2006 : 08:51:02
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Poll Question:
I'm testing this poll stuff so what do you think which of these civilizations was the most advanced in terms of power (magic, psionics, knowledge, war) if you cannot decide vote for the most interesting.
I vote for Miyeritar.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 02 Oct 2006 : 10:45:49
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| My vote goes to Imaskar, the guys that were powerful enough to tell deities where to stick it. |
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Chosen of Moradin
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
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Posted - 02 Oct 2006 : 13:08:36
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| I agree with Wooly! Wizards that can stop deities from act in their affairs deserve a good attention. |
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
Canada
956 Posts |
Posted - 02 Oct 2006 : 13:41:45
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I vote other...and chose the Sarukh...we only know a fraction of all the Creator Races but we know the Sarukh created the Nether scrolls, created at least a dozen races, rerouted an ocean...
I'm sure they were on par with the Imaskar...and probably could have woven a "mega-mythal" like the Imaskar did...but they were a pius (sp?) people
(the "mega-mythal" theory, that can of worms, was created in the Rage of Dragons series) |
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Wandering_mage
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 02 Oct 2006 : 13:43:47
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I went with Aryvandaar despite the fact that I would also like to say Imaskar. Them elves had some powerful stuff going on. Casting spells from their towers to ravage whole realms and changing the shap of Faerun.... (Did they have a hand in that?)  |
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
Canada
956 Posts |
Posted - 02 Oct 2006 : 14:03:41
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Originally posted by Wandering_mage
I went with Aryvandaar despite the fact that I would also like to say Imaskar. Them elves had some powerful stuff going on. Casting spells from their towers to ravage whole realms and changing the shape of Faerun.... (Did they have a hand in that?)
do you mean the Sundering? that happened a century before Aryvandaar was founded |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
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Posted - 02 Oct 2006 : 16:51:51
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| Most definitely Imaskar. Blocking deities from entering the crystal sphere is just powerful. Of course, capturing entire cultures from other worlds and transporting them to Faerun is also nothing to sneeze at either. |
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Beirnadri Magranth
Senior Scribe
USA
720 Posts |
Posted - 02 Oct 2006 : 17:11:50
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I'm torn between netheril, aryvandaar and imaskar.
The creator races didnt make the rage of dragon mythal... elves did. |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
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Posted - 02 Oct 2006 : 20:10:31
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| This is not my field of expertise, but I would have to say the Imaskari. |
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David E
Seeker
USA
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Posted - 02 Oct 2006 : 22:32:27
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| Can't say that I'm terribly familiar with the Old Empires either, but from my reading of LEoF the Imaskari seem pretty powerful - transporting an entire civilization of humans to serve as slaves, creating portals as if they were no more than ordinary doors, doing battle with the avatars of immortal gods - seems pretty powerful to me. |
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Acolyte
Australia
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Posted - 03 Oct 2006 : 10:51:26
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| Gotta say the Imaskar. I would love to know more about them. When was the first mention of Imaskar. In Old Empires book they dont appear to exist. |
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Shadovar
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 03 Oct 2006 : 11:09:38
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Marc
Senior Scribe
658 Posts |
Posted - 03 Oct 2006 : 18:32:23
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| Wow, I'm surprised how the Imaskari faction is prevalent (wonders about the power of that plague that decimated them, maybe not so powerful ...). |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 03 Oct 2006 : 20:18:41
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Originally posted by Maruluthu Mistrivvin
Wow, I'm surprised how the Imaskari faction is prevalent (wonders about the power of that plague that decimated them, maybe not so powerful ...).
I'm not a particular fan of them; it's just that they did some seriously impressive stuff. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 04 Oct 2006 : 01:43:08
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Maruluthu Mistrivvin
Wow, I'm surprised how the Imaskari faction is prevalent (wonders about the power of that plague that decimated them, maybe not so powerful ...).
I'm not a particular fan of them; it's just that they did some seriously impressive stuff.
Indeed.
I enjoy reading about the Imaskari, though I actually hold more love for Jhaamdath and the Shoon, than I do the Imaskari. Though, the Deep Imaskari are one of the few Underdark races that I've actually become quite interested in.
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Dart Ambermoon
Learned Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 07 Oct 2006 : 04:20:41
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| Imaskar would have to be my choice as well. But they are head to head with the elves... |
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Zimme
Learned Scribe
Denmark
209 Posts |
Posted - 10 Oct 2006 : 13:30:51
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| All hail the magnificent Imaskari spellhurling, my vote goes to them. |
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
Canada
956 Posts |
Posted - 10 Oct 2006 : 14:07:21
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Originally posted by Beirnadri Magranth
I'm torn between netheril, aryvandaar and imaskar.
The creator races didnt make the rage of dragon mythal... elves did.
I don't disagree with anyone that the Imaskar weren't the most powerful of the "modern" ancient empires..they would be my vote...
But no one knows what the potential of the Progenator Races were/are, after all the Sarukh created the Nether Scrolls...and you see what they could do...and basically picking up a sea and dropping it on your foes as another example...no one knows the full extent of the Creator Races...
Additionally the old Scepter of the Sorcerer-Kings (a mega-artifact that could reproduce the "god-bane mythal" to one particular god multiple times)was an artifact created by the Netherese that was "blue-printed" by the Nether scrolls
The "god-bane mythal" of course is really impressive and so was the rage of dragon mythal (especially in 1E/2E) but IMO the 3E rules about casting an epic spell allows that if enough spellcasters are involved even the really high DC epic spells are managable (but thats another subject  ) so relatively how impressive are those spells really 
For the "god-bane mythal" I imagine almost every Imaskari spellcaster, from apprentice, involved in that one...I can only imagine if the full force of the Sarukh was eevr brought to bare... |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 11 Oct 2006 : 01:55:42
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| I only voted Netheril because I am biased. I know the creator races and the Imaskari were actually more powerful. |
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Marc
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 11 Oct 2006 : 08:56:43
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| I'm pretty sorry that no one has voted for Aryselmalyr, this is my favourite campaign in 2E |
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edbonny
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
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Posted - 11 Oct 2006 : 21:52:32
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Originally posted by Maruluthu Mistrivvin
Wow, I'm surprised how the Imaskari faction is prevalent (wonders about the power of that plague that decimated them, maybe not so powerful ...).
The plague (described as mysterious) need not have been powerful. When one scorns gods like the Imaskari did, one generally does not have access to cure disease or other healing magic.
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Alediran
Acolyte
Argentina
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Posted - 11 Oct 2006 : 22:00:24
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| I go for Aryvaandar, the created lots of really powerfull mythals, like Waymeet and artifacts like the Gatekeeper Crystal. |
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Drakul
Senior Scribe
USA
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Marc
Senior Scribe
658 Posts |
Posted - 12 Oct 2006 : 08:52:00
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Originally posted by edbonny
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Originally posted by Maruluthu Mistrivvin
Wow, I'm surprised how the Imaskari faction is prevalent (wonders about the power of that plague that decimated them, maybe not so powerful ...).
The plague (described as mysterious) need not have been powerful. When one scorns gods like the Imaskari did, one generally does not have access to cure disease or other healing magic.
- Ed
Yes, generally, but considering their intellect. Then the Imaskari must've been a closed up society, there are many other ways to cure disease (I mean planar assistance or abducting druids ...) |
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Sian
Senior Scribe
Denmark
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Posted - 12 Oct 2006 : 09:11:21
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Originally posted by Maruluthu Mistrivvin
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Originally posted by edbonny
quote:
Originally posted by Maruluthu Mistrivvin
Wow, I'm surprised how the Imaskari faction is prevalent (wonders about the power of that plague that decimated them, maybe not so powerful ...).
The plague (described as mysterious) need not have been powerful. When one scorns gods like the Imaskari did, one generally does not have access to cure disease or other healing magic.
- Ed
Yes, generally, but considering their intellect. Then the Imaskari must've been a closed up society, there are many other ways to cure disease (I mean planar assistance or abducting druids ...)
when they had a godbane mystal do you think the gods was interesting in letting their diving magicks help them? |
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Marc
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 12 Oct 2006 : 12:23:37
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I was not saying anything about deity provided magic (druids don't need gods and if Imaskari traveled the planes they could have easily aquired services of variety of creatures who can use divine magic or have divine abilities).
And yes I think that there were gods interested in granting magic, they have their own plots, and who knows in which way some of them wanted to influence and manipulate imaskari directly or indirectly. The problem here was in the imaskari. Though I see no logic here, surely the most powerful imaskari were atheists, but did they promote and enforce this idea on all their citizens. If this is true, surely there would be many secret divine cults (that would be logical). Also the imaskari weren't alone in Faerun, what about foreign traders and travelers, also why the assumption that all their slaves were Mulan, what about slaves from other parts of Toril (Jhaamdathan interference here might be interesting) who worshipped other gods ... |
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 12 Oct 2006 : 13:53:27
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Originally posted by Maruluthu Mistrivvin
I was not saying anything about deity provided magic (druids don't need gods and if Imaskari traveled the planes they could have easily aquired services of variety of creatures who can use divine magic or have divine abilities).
And yes I think that there were gods interested in granting magic, they have their own plots, and who knows in which way some of them wanted to influence and manipulate imaskari directly or indirectly. The problem here was in the imaskari. Though I see no logic here, surely the most powerful imaskari were atheists, but did they promote and enforce this idea on all their citizens. If this is true, surely there would be many secret divine cults (that would be logical). Also the imaskari weren't alone in Faerun, what about foreign traders and travelers, also why the assumption that all their slaves were Mulan, what about slaves from other parts of Toril (Jhaamdathan interference here might be interesting) who worshipped other gods ...
Just a reminder that many of the the Netherese were of the same mind..alot of wizards died because they refused divine healing and curing magics...
makes you wonder how hany the "vampiric touch" really was back then (Netheril and Imaskari)...maybe alot of the black necromancy spells that switch over conditions (poison, disease, damage, etc.) were developed due to the refusal to acknowledge the gods  |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 12 Oct 2006 : 17:28:39
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Actually,
All divine casters on Toril need a patron deity, except for certain amount of times when they are don't have one but sooner or later all divine casters choose a deity(ies) to get their spells from.
So, this list includes rangers, druids, clerics, favored souls, black guards, etc. |
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Edited by - Kuje on 12 Oct 2006 17:29:09 |
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Marc
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 12 Oct 2006 : 17:34:14
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Originally posted by Kuje
Actually,
All divine casters on Toril need a patron deity, except for certain amount of times when they are don't have one but sooner or later all divine casters choose a deity(ies) to get their spells from.
So, this list includes rangers, druids, clerics, favored souls, black guards, etc.
What about Lossarwyn? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 12 Oct 2006 : 17:35:33
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Originally posted by Maruluthu Mistrivvin
The problem here was in the imaskari. Though I see no logic here, surely the most powerful imaskari were atheists, but did they promote and enforce this idea on all their citizens.
They couldn't have been atheists. It's really hard to build a barrier against and do battle with something if you don't believe it exists. Kinda pointless, too. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 12 Oct 2006 : 17:37:03
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quote:
Originally posted by Maruluthu Mistrivvin
quote:
Originally posted by Kuje
Actually,
All divine casters on Toril need a patron deity, except for certain amount of times when they are don't have one but sooner or later all divine casters choose a deity(ies) to get their spells from.
So, this list includes rangers, druids, clerics, favored souls, black guards, etc.
What about Lossarwyn?
I'm assuming you are talking about that guy in Champions of Ruin, right?
I asked Ed about this and he said what I said above. At times divine casters can go without a deity for a time, however sooner or later they will have to choose a deity again to get spells. However, there are times when some mortals do not always have deities but these are special events.
It's one of his July 13, 2005 replies. |
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