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Marc
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 Posted - 12 Oct 2006 : 17:39:48
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Originally posted by kalin agrivar
Just a reminder that many of the the Netherese were of the same mind..alot of wizards died because they refused divine healing and curing magics...
makes you wonder how hany the "vampiric touch" really was back then (Netheril and Imaskari)...maybe alot of the black necromancy spells that switch over conditions (poison, disease, damage, etc.) were developed due to the refusal to acknowledge the gods 
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Marc
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 12 Oct 2006 : 17:46:10
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Maruluthu Mistrivvin
The problem here was in the imaskari. Though I see no logic here, surely the most powerful imaskari were atheists, but did they promote and enforce this idea on all their citizens.
They couldn't have been atheists. It's really hard to build a barrier against and do battle with something if you don't believe it exists. Kinda pointless, too.
Not atheist but you know what I mean, ''Vhostym'' and ''Athar'' type of characters.
@Kuje, allright if Ed has said that though one sentence in the books says that Eldreth Veluuthra has many hopes in druidic magic (as the Seldarine rejects them), so they'll fail in the end. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 13 Oct 2006 : 01:40:33
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Originally posted by Maruluthu Mistrivvin
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Maruluthu Mistrivvin
The problem here was in the imaskari. Though I see no logic here, surely the most powerful imaskari were atheists, but did they promote and enforce this idea on all their citizens.
They couldn't have been atheists. It's really hard to build a barrier against and do battle with something if you don't believe it exists. Kinda pointless, too.
Not atheist but you know what I mean, ''Vhostym'' and ''Athar'' type of characters.
I think that claiming the Imaskari to be "Athar-like" may be a little harsh. The Imaskari are said to have a deep distrust of priests and gods, though I doubt they would consider either of them frauds, simply because, as Wooly suggested above, its difficult to do battle against such aspects if you do not truly respect their power. Which is why we see the Imaskari going to great lengths to create spellwards and various arcane traps that will seriously affect divine magic within their cities and realms -- the Imaskari are protecting themselves against the threat and power of the divine and its magic.
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VonRaventheDaring
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 13 Oct 2006 : 14:48:48
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Well i voted for Imaskari as well i mean they were the top of their food chain lol  however i have to say that its not fair to compair them to elves in general i mean thats an entire race. Thats like compairing all the elven Empires to 1 human empire. reguardless though i perfer the Jhaamdath, and shoon. The imaskari were a bit stuck on themselves, course when you can block gods i guess that happens, now would you call that a god complex? |
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 13 Oct 2006 : 14:56:28
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Originally posted by VonRaventheDaring
Well i voted for Imaskari as well i mean they were the top of their food chain lol however i have to say that its not fair to compair them to elves in general i mean thats an entire race. Thats like compairing all the elven Empires to 1 human empire.
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Kalin Xorell El'Agrivar
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Na-Gang
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
348 Posts |
Posted - 13 Oct 2006 : 21:43:12
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| Which Gods were around during the rise of Imaskar? It was thousands of years before Nethril so I'd be reluctant to just go with the Gods worshipped by the Netherese. Was any one God in particular an enemy of or more feared by the Imaskar? |
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Marc
Senior Scribe
657 Posts |
Posted - 14 Oct 2006 : 11:20:28
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| There were old deities like Jergal, Shar, Selune, Chauntea, Talos, Mystryl, Amuantor etc. After the rise of Jhaamdath I think that their pantheon (opposes slavery) must have been feared enemies. |
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Ayunken-vanzan
Senior Scribe
Germany
657 Posts |
Posted - 12 May 2007 : 17:45:58
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I voted for Imaskar, not because they were able to defy gods, but because of their extradimensional magic. I bought "Lost Empires" to learn more of the Netheril Empire, in which I was very interested to that time, and then I stumbled over the Imaskar chapter and was stunned. The description of the tower and its surrounding in the little adventure in this chapter is so great. Having learned that there are survivors of this most ancient civilization, I next obtained "Underdark" to read more about Deep Imaskar.
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Ladejarl
Seeker
Norway
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Posted - 12 May 2007 : 20:50:20
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| Imaskar. As the Hamster said, to tell Gods where to stick it. |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Master of Realmslore
USA
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Victor_ograygor
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 13 May 2007 : 05:15:07
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I voted for Imaskar as well. Large ancient empire, portals to tons of places including quite a few alternate prime material planes, and the ability to limit the gods influence in the Realms. I know that the Sarukh had the potential to do amazing things, but they never completely dominated their rival creator races, and they tend to fall into the "hey, if it takes a few hundred thousand years to complete our goals, so be it" mindset, which means they act even more slowly than the elves do.
I imagine that they reason they fell prey to a plague is exactly because they had a disdain for the divine. Just like the Netherese fell victim to magic that was pushing the boudaries of what they could actually control. Its a logical, natural reason for such a powerful empire to fall. |
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Aravine
Senior Scribe
USA
608 Posts |
Posted - 29 Sep 2007 : 22:25:07
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| my character hails from Nethril, so I am a little biased |
The brave don't live forever,the cautious don't live at all |
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Pharaun Mizzrym
Acolyte
Canada
34 Posts |
Posted - 01 Oct 2007 : 01:12:45
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| Pssssh Netheril of course |
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
Germany
1720 Posts |
Posted - 01 Oct 2007 : 08:09:00
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| I really have not a clue as to really truely answer the question. Therefore I voted for my personal favorite - all praise to the stout folk! |
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 01 Oct 2007 : 08:18:46
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I chose Imaskar for several reasons:
I remember reading somewhere that they harnessed a great deal of their magic from study of the Phaerim (sp?) that they had captured? Not sure if that is accurate...but it does come to mind.
Their ability to thwart the Gods was at the top of the list of course.
Their spatial magic is just sweet...reminds me of the D&D cartoon where the kids meet the Celestial Knight who takes them to the tower that was bigger on the inside than on the outside (can't remember that skeletal dudes name).
The Imaskarcana sound really interesting...I would like to see all of them described.
On other topics, I see them perfectly able to use Divine magic without the need of gods. There is a particular prestige class that allows the theft of divine magic for the use of someone who has no divine patron. Its origin is in Greyhawk, but would be fully eligible in the FR since both worlds exist in the "reality" of D&D...especially since El and ol' Mordenkainen so often talked. The Ur Priest would be a way for an Arcane Society to steal magic from gods...and it would fit with the Imaskari abilities to defy the gods by blocking their ability to directly work in mortal society. Anyone else remember this prestige class?
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sirreus
Learned Scribe
USA
118 Posts |
Posted - 01 Oct 2007 : 15:33:58
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netheril floating mountains and karsus. heavy magic and plane shifting an entire city. these guys rocked, and look at halrua today. |
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Ateth Istarlin
Seeker
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Oct 2007 : 13:35:21
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I voted for the Imaskari too!
(I'd much rather read about them returning than "the new empire of Netheril"). |
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GRYPHON
Senior Scribe
USA
527 Posts |
Posted - 02 Dec 2007 : 19:09:26
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| Aryvandaar and Cormanthyr... |
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BARDOBARBAROS
Senior Scribe
Greece
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Posted - 02 Dec 2007 : 20:57:17
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Tigger
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 06 Dec 2007 : 03:13:00
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Miyeritar, the pinnacle of Elven art and Magic. Also the source of much of Aryvandaar power if the most frequent theories of how the Nether scrolls got to where they were found by the Netherese is believed.
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Acolyte
South Africa
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Posted - 19 Dec 2007 : 11:27:53
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I would go with Aryvandaar. If I remember correctly they destroyed Miyeritar with the killing storm. Having access to magic that destroys a whole nation is quiet impressive. Also by making contracts with the planar forces like demons the Aryvandaar High Mages were able to cast High Magic (epic magic) with extremly high DCs and with less casters. Aryvandaar under the Vyshaanti dynasty also conquered all the other powerful elven realms in Faerun including the powerful Illythiir.
In my opinion Aryvandaar (not only because of the blow up whole nation spell) is stronger then Imaskar is that in the end Imaskar fell to avatars Mulhorand gods. If Aryvandaar had to fight godly avatars they could use the High Magic Ritual that imprison them (the spell is in Comanthor empire of the elves in the Elven High Magic section).
The only reason Aryvandaar Empire fell is because the Elves in the Aryvandaar Empire were commanded by the Elven court to repudiate their leaders the Vyshaanti. |
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Aravine
Senior Scribe
USA
608 Posts |
Posted - 19 Dec 2007 : 17:49:54
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Mazrim_Taim
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 19 Dec 2007 : 19:47:12
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Originally posted by Aravine
Where can I find more info on Imaskar?
More information regarding the Imaskar can be found in Lost Empires of Faerun.
Not sure if they are featured in any other sourcebooks, if that's what you mean. Maybe someone else can answer that question. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 19 Dec 2007 : 23:20:28
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Originally posted by Aravine
Where can I find more info on Imaskar?
In addition to the aforementioned source, see Grand History of the Realms.
As well, the Horde boxed set.
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Ayunken-vanzan
Senior Scribe
Germany
657 Posts |
Posted - 20 Dec 2007 : 00:06:49
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| And of course, there is a tome of lore in this very halls. |
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RIMV
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 20 Dec 2007 : 16:27:40
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Aravine
Senior Scribe
USA
608 Posts |
Posted - 20 Dec 2007 : 16:58:32
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Originally posted by RIMV
The Underdark book also talks about the Imaskari as well.
yes but it is rather vauge(if that's how you spell it) |
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Ardashir
Senior Scribe
USA
544 Posts |
Posted - 20 Dec 2007 : 17:02:03
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I went with 'Other'. The Creator Races were the ones who first discovered and codified how to work magic, and they set the standard for everyone who came after.
BTW, the Sarrukh aside, who were the other Creator Races, and which 'modern' races are their descendants/heirs? |
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