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Beirnadri Magranth
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 Posted - 02 Oct 2006 : 04:55:15
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I was just reading over the Mysteries of teh Moonseas which i got today since the Complete Mage wasn't out yet.
Anyway, I read more about Hillsfar and I guess i never really appreciated how big it was. Maalthiir must be a powerful wizard especially after getting away with scuffling with the dlardrageths in Baker's novels. Is he statted somewhere?
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 02 Oct 2006 : 05:40:08
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Maalthiir, 18th Wizard, Male Human, TN, First Lord of Hillsfar, Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting
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Edited by - Kuje on 02 Oct 2006 05:40:23 |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 02 Oct 2006 : 05:45:36
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| Yeah, I don't think he ever got the "fully statblock" treatment, though I could be wrong. Can't remember ever seeing one though. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Posted - 02 Oct 2006 : 08:17:40
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Originally posted by Kuje
Maalthiir, 18th Wizard, Male Human, TN, First Lord of Hillsfar, Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting
How the hell does Maalthiir have an alignment of TN?!? it should be NE given all the evil stuff hes done |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
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Posted - 02 Oct 2006 : 09:32:24
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| Well he has been TN since first mentioned in the 1ed campaign setting. Even then he was a racist tyrant driven by paranoia, but to me it seems as he has been presented more and more as a typical "evil Wizard" as time went. I wonder what has been "lost in translation" so to speak, from Ed's original notes. |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 02 Oct 2006 : 11:11:44
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Actually in Mysteries of the Moonsea he was listed as NE, and in the old Moonsea accessory in his description he was mentioned as slipping toward evil.
As a side note, I used to wonder this myself, but when I went back and read about Hillsfar in the Old Grey Boxed set, I can kind of understand how he started out neutral. Originally there were power players that had agents on the Hillsfar council carving up the city for their own purposes and not caring one whit about the city or its people. It even mentions that some of these corrupt officials were indeed elves.
So Maalthiir kicks the corrupted councilmen out, takes over Hillsfar, admitedly makes it a viable independant city again, and begins to start passing laws to limit outside influence into Hillsfar. The more laws he makes to limit this influence, the more paranoid he gets, and the more he starts letting some rather cruel things, like the executions in the arena, occur.
So basically he was correct when he feared outside influence, but when too far . . . Absolute Power corrupts absolutely and all of that. |
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Beirnadri Magranth
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 02 Oct 2006 : 17:14:27
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| It's pretty clearly stated in the MyMs that he is evil .: I am using the FRCS stat blurb and changing his alginment to NE. |
"You came here to be a martyr in a great big bang of glory... instead you will die with a whimper."
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 02 Oct 2006 : 17:22:48
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Originally posted by Dargoth
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Originally posted by Kuje
Maalthiir, 18th Wizard, Male Human, TN, First Lord of Hillsfar, Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting
How the hell does Maalthiir have an alignment of TN?!? it should be NE given all the evil stuff hes done
No idea, but considering there are other stat errors in the FRCS, I could chalk it up to.... well an error. :) But on the other end, he has been listed as TN in 3 2e sourcebooks, so it probably just got carried over from 2e.
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Edited by - Kuje on 02 Oct 2006 17:24:43 |
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WalkerNinja
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Posted - 02 Oct 2006 : 20:27:07
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Actually, in the description of Maalthiir in MoM, there is a little blurb tacked on about "He's been considered neutral, but you can't do all of these evil things without being evil." It sorta seemed like the author was doing his research, saw that Maalthiir was TN, and said, "No it can't be!" and felt like he had to put his opinion in on the matter.
Not that Maalthiir is that big a deal anymore, since he soiled his robes and teleported away before Fzoul could get a hold of him... |
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Beirnadri Magranth
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Posted - 03 Oct 2006 : 01:57:01
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Originally posted by WalkerNinja
Not that Maalthiir is that big a deal anymore, since he soiled his robes and teleported away before Fzoul could get a hold of him...
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"You came here to be a martyr in a great big bang of glory... instead you will die with a whimper."
::moussaoui tries to interrupt::
"You will never get a chance to speak again and that's an appropriate ending."
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 Oct 2006 : 02:10:46
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Originally posted by Beirnadri Magranth
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Originally posted by WalkerNinja
Not that Maalthiir is that big a deal anymore, since he soiled his robes and teleported away before Fzoul could get a hold of him...
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Its in a novel |
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"Its good to be the King!"
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 Oct 2006 : 02:55:19
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Originally posted by Dargoth
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Originally posted by Beirnadri Magranth
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Originally posted by WalkerNinja
Not that Maalthiir is that big a deal anymore, since he soiled his robes and teleported away before Fzoul could get a hold of him...
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Its in a novel
Richard Baker's Last Mythal trilogy to be exact. :) |
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Dargoth
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Posted - 03 Oct 2006 : 03:13:18
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| I deliberately did'nt use the novels title in case BM hadnt read them yet (ie spoils) |
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"Its good to be the King!"
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 Oct 2006 : 04:00:23
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Originally posted by Dargoth
I deliberately did'nt use the novels title in case BM hadnt read them yet (ie spoils)
Ah.
Well, true..... I guess. :) |
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Beirnadri Magranth
Senior Scribe
USA
720 Posts |
Posted - 03 Oct 2006 : 05:01:33
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| no i read them. i just didnt remember the dalesstuff to much. i think i skimmed a lot about maalthiir since i didnt really know about him before the novels. I have never been that interested in the moonsea area. I didnt remember the wizard being so royally humbled by fzoul and I thought i would have if it was in Baker's novels. |
"You came here to be a martyr in a great big bang of glory... instead you will die with a whimper."
::moussaoui tries to interrupt::
"You will never get a chance to speak again and that's an appropriate ending."
-Judge Brinkema |
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lockdar
Acolyte
Netherlands
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Posted - 04 Oct 2006 : 13:47:12
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| Well, I don't remind him being humbled or anything. But after what happened to the City itself and afterwards to the army tends to give Maalthir a good idea that he was 'out of his league' this time. He will probably reappear somewhere since I assume he still has alot of influence in Hillsfar. It would also be 'for the good of the City and it's people' that Fzoul be driven out and Hillsfar be made independent again, I wouldn't be surprised if the inhabitants of Hillsfar would support Maalthir when he makes his entrance again. |
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